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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit.... - 6/10/2015 9:37:57 PM

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if the Exec was trying to "comb" the spread instead of going outside it, a standard rudder rather than full rudder might possibly have been the better choice after all.

That is one "might" that I would not leave to any chance, turning the ship VERY quickly into an opposite bearing ASAP to me would be the best option. The faster the better. Also if there is ANYTHING that would tell the ship astern that something is horribly wrong it would be that the ship ahead is executing an emergency maneuver which would register to the ship astern LONG before a signal hoist would be hoisted, read, delivered, understood and then finally acted upon. Hal

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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit.... - 6/11/2015 1:49:17 AM

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This is all very enlightening. I saw the scene in my head, but didn't flesh it out as maybe I could have.

dr.hal, now I understand your point of view and can see why the OOD's orders seemed not drastic enough (nice bit of seamanship avoiding the dhow). My flip response didn't help.

Capt. Harlock, you caught on to what I was looking to create as to "combing the tracks". I had to go back and sketch out the attack on paper to flesh out how it would be that torpedoes spotted would only require a 45� turn. The sub would have fired near a 90� deflection shot from about 4000 yards before a "zig" in a zigzag pattern, putting the torps on a 45� bearing from Helena. With 15kt column speed and 50kt torp, the torps would have to be spotted about 1000 yds away there would have been about 45 seconds to impact - precious little time to decide.

BBfanboy lol, soiled breeches...

dr.hal again, I read somewhere that back then the theory was that for anything less than 90� deflection on incoming torps, the doctrine was to turn toward torps as that was with quickest way to get parallel to them and that the most likely hit would be on the bow because a turn away would put it in the screws. That's where I got the idea. And you're right on the signal flag hoist. Again, something I read once upon a time and pulled out of my... fertile imagination.

EVERYONE: Thank you very much for your input. Sometimes I may not get the ship handling or protocol correct in the storytelling, so I don't mind feedback. I'm working with stories my dad told me from Helena, books I've read, and things that people have taught me. I should get better as this goes along.

I may go back and re-write the scene a bit...

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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit.... - 6/11/2015 2:35:01 AM

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(nice bit of seamanship avoiding the dhow)

I can't take credit as I didn't have the con or deck, I was the JOOD, but I was the first to spot the dhow lighting up...the OOD was a mustang with MANY years experience and whipped the ship around (using somewhat of a "williamson turn") and saved the lives of the dhow crew. One thing I did learn from that experience and ALWAYS insisted upon it after that night was to keep a VERY DARK bridge watch. It was a tongue lashing to any person bringing ANY light on the bridge if I had the deck and the crew teams knew it. If your bridge is dark your night vision is GREATLY improved.

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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit.... - 6/11/2015 2:37:07 AM

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And I like your story line very much so keep it up, the story holds it all together. Hal

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RE: USS Helena: "Our Job Now is to Hold." - 6/11/2015 4:48:33 PM

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"... and after the night engagement off Manado, both Houston and Boise were attacked by bombers. They and their screens have been lost. No word on the survivors yet."

The Captain paused for a moment, looking around the wardroom at the senior staff.

"The Japanese are beating us soundly at every turn. I would like to say that they are not better than we are, but the results say otherwise." He held up a cartoon caricature of a Japanese man.

"The stereotype of the slant-eyed, glasses-wearing, buck-toothed house rat that you saw in the movies and magazines is a cartoon."

Captain English then passed around pictures of stately, serious-looking Japanese men in full dress naval uniform bedecked with medals and gold braid.

"Men like THESE are the men we are fighting. They are well equipped, well trained, and well led. Those above our pay grade know who these men are. Their leadership is smart, educated, and well-versed in the same tactics that we are, perhaps even more so."

He paused again, looking at each one of them. There was a sullen look about the room. Now, he knew that he had them.

"Here is how we are going to beat them." He leaned across the table. "They think we are weak, soft, pushovers. What they don't understand is that every time we've been challenged, we've risen up. We will rise up. Their success comes so easily because we were underfunded, undermanned, and unattended. Within six months, this will feel more like a fair fight".

"The country is angry. We Americans get angry, we get motivated. We will overwhelm them. It will take some time to build up enough strength to push them back, but we will. Our job now is to hold. Learn. Improve. They are only better right now because they've been on a war footing for the last five years. We've been simulating war. Pretending it. Practicing it. Well now, by God, it's real enough.

About 30 years ago, a man named George Santayana once wrote, 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it'. Now is the time that if we make mistakes, we need to learn from them. And learn fast."

"Speaking of learning, let us adjourn to the bridge, I want Commander Richardson to review the torpedo attack from the other day. Subs are everywhere now, I want every OOD drilled on this to within an inch of his life. Commander, who was your helmsman on that? Chief Standrowicz?"

Almost absentmindedly Richardson replied, "Stick?" Then quickly correcting himself , "Um yes sir, it was Chief Standrowicz." Gotta remember not to do that, he mused to himself.

"Alright then, get him up here. While we're at it, let's get everyone else who stands a helm watch in on this. OoDs and JOoDs too. I don't want to have to explain to Admiral Halsey at my court marshal why he had to fish us out of the water. On the Bridge in 30 minutes, gentlemen. Ok get to it."

"Commander, a moment."

Damn it, here it comes, thought the Exec.

"Stick? There's got to be a good story behind that one."

"Yes Captain, there is."

"Well, Commander, I look forward to hearing about that - privately, of course."

"Of course. While we have a moment, please accept my congratulations on your promotion."

"It's out then? Well scuttlebutt never wastes time. Change of command will happen once we hit Pearl."

"Any word on your relief?"

"The number was garbled. Not worth breaking radio silence over though."

The two men chuckled.

"Alright, let's go show our team how not to get us all wet."

They spent the next 90 minutes reviewing torpedo evasion procedures, all the while Helena kept station off Enterprise's port beam. As secure as it felt to be in a large task force, there was a certain scrutiny you felt when you were in Admiral Halsey's command. You had to admit though, she was a beautiful sight. But as often the case with beautiful women, she required a lot of attention. Flight operations required more frequent course changes, which kept an OOD and helmsman on their toes...

So, Hong Kong is under siege, and I've lost another dozen merchant ships fleeing the DEI. It's a nice little chum line for him. More "Cat With Paper Bag on Head" operations for me. Trying to evacuate what I can and not get caught.

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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit.... - 6/11/2015 11:33:38 PM

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One thing I did learn from that experience and ALWAYS insisted upon it after that night was to keep a VERY DARK bridge watch. It was a tongue lashing to any person bringing ANY light on the bridge if I had the deck and the crew teams knew it. If your bridge is dark your night vision is GREATLY improved.

Funny you should say that. Stay tuned.

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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit.... - 6/12/2015 12:43:30 PM

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Just dropping in to send the emperors best wishes

as for the torpedo drills, the emperor suggests the procedure: stop all engines, rudder amidships, and brace for impact!

The imperial navy has set a special reward to any ship, sub, or aircrew who sinks the USS Helena. 1 week R&R in Palembang with 2 Geishas and 4 bottles of sake.

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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit.... - 6/12/2015 12:56:51 PM

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Just dropping in to send the emperors best wishes

as for the torpedo drills, the emperor suggests the procedure: stop all engines, rudder amidships, and brace for impact!

The imperial navy has set a special reward to any ship, sub, or aircrew who sinks the USS Helena. 1 week R&R in Palembang with 2 Geishas and 4 bottles of sake.

Palembang? With malarial mosquitoes all around and the stink of oil everywhere? How about Hawaii? That should motivate the troops!

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RE: USS Helena: "Easy on the Wheel, Stick, Damnit.... - 6/12/2015 6:09:17 PM

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Just dropping in to send the emperors best wishes

as for the torpedo drills, the emperor suggests the procedure: stop all engines, rudder amidships, and brace for impact!

The imperial navy has set a special reward to any ship, sub, or aircrew who sinks the USS Helena. 1 week R&R in Palembang with 2 Geishas and 4 bottles of sake.

Palembang? With malarial mosquitoes all around and the stink of oil everywhere? How about Hawaii? That should motivate the troops!

My esteemed opponent would have to empty China to take Hawaii at this point...

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RE: USS Helena: "What is Life?" - 6/15/2015 2:48:04 PM

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Tokyo Rose wishes to announce of previous report sinking DD Samidare incorrect. Ship sighted and engaged at 76, 124...

That's a real thing that happened in-game.

Not sure what to believe anymore.

What is life?

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RE: USS Helena: "What is Life?" - 6/15/2015 7:16:12 PM

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Not sure what to believe anymore.

What is life?

The "Duel of the Tankers" thread has a "ships un-sunk" category, which is looking like a smarter and smarter idea. It may be frustrating, but it is realistic; throughout military history losses inflicted on the enemy tend to be over-estimated. T

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RE: USS Helena: "What is Life?" - 6/15/2015 9:20:41 PM

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What is life?

Life is a beach

... with an enemy amphib TF offshore!

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RE: USS Helena: "What is Life?" - 6/17/2015 7:15:45 PM

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Not sure what to believe anymore.
What is life?

ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock
The "Duel of the Tankers" thread has a "ships un-sunk" category, which is looking like a smarter and smarter idea. It may be frustrating, but it is realistic; throughout military history losses inflicted on the enemy tend to be over-estimated. T

Interesting...

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RE: USS Helena: "I Relieve You, Sir" - 6/17/2015 7:23:08 PM

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12 DEC 41

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From- Bureau of Navigation.
To- Hoover, Gilbert C., Captain, USN

Detach on 27 November 1941 from current duty and report not later than 8 December 1941 to CL-50 Helena. Upon arrival on board report to Robert English, Commanding Officer USS Helena (CL-50) for duty as his relief. Report to immediate superior in command, if present, otherwise by message.

Signed,
S. A. Richards, Vice Admiral, USN
Chief of Bureau of Navigation

As Helena pulled into the harbor, she made her way over to her accustomed berth at the 1010 pier, and found Pennsylvania tied up at berth number one, so Captain English directed Stick to pull in behind her to berth number two - the spot she left a week ago. Normally, the Battle Force's flagship would be tied up at number two because less effort was required to get out of it, but today was a special day, and a bittersweet one for the Captain.

"Easy does it Mr. Standrowicz. We're in no hurry." There was an almost soft paternal tone to the captain's voice.

"Aye sir."

She came to a stop right on the money at the pier, port side abeam to the dock. The deck crews then went to work with the mooring crews to get the big ship tied up.

"Looks like you saved your best work for my last day. Nice work, Stick."

Before Stick could get out a sound, the Captain was off the bridge.

The Change of Command ceremony was as most any others, only as this was the first during wartime, some of the pomp was left out. Jim wasn't really paying a lot of attention. He had seen this ceremony a couple of times before, so he was only keeping a listen for any movements he had to make or salutes he had to give. Something odd was that this was being held on the pier, and there was a bit of gold braid in attendance, including CincPac, Admiral Nimitz.

The new CO saluted Captain English, "I relieve you, sir."

"I stand relieved."

The new commander then made a few very brief remarks, expressing pride in the command and wished his predecessor well, and then concluded with "All standing orders, regulations, and instructions remain in effect." Captain Hoover then turned to Admiral Nimitz with a salute to him and stated, "Sir, I have properly relieved Captain English as Commander USS Helena CL-50."

At this point, Captain Hoover stepped aside from the podium and Admiral Nimitz approached.

"It is now my duty, and my pleasure, to call Mr. Robert English to the podium at this time." There was murmuring amongst the guests. "I don't get to do this very often," Nimitz chuckled, as did the audience.

"Attention to Orders," called Commander Richardson.

This caught Jim's ear. Only some of it he could hear clearly, "...you are hereby promoted to Rear Admiral..." the Admiral was attaching new Admiral's shoulder boards to Captain English - or rather Rear Admiral English. So that's why he's leaving the ship.

Captain Hoover was now heard: "Commander Richardson, take charge and dismiss the ship's company."

As the ceremony was dismissed and those not on liberty re-boarded the ship, Jim was in a group of guys tossing the bull around. Speculation fell mainly on the new captain, where he came from and what he was like. After a few minutes, Jim decided to shove off.

"Where ya headed Chief?"

"I've got work to do. No time to spend cackling like an old hen. Besides, I've got second dog watch and I'm not going to be rushed through supper."

The Japanese have taken Guam and Rabaul. Darwin will not be long after. I have not seen an opponent move as swiftly as this one. I am fairly sure of his intentions, and pretty sure how far he'll expand. He has only a certain amount of troops, and he'll be spread pretty thin...

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USS Helena: Source Citation and Errata - 6/22/2015 1:40:14 AM

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I would like to take a moment to cite several sources from which that I may pull material, either in part or whole, so as to properly credit those authors*:

-Department of the Navy, United States of America. Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships, Vol. 3, pp.287-289. United States Department of the Navy, 1968
-Casten, Ray J. USS HELENA The Machine-Gun Cruiser. Self Published, 1991
-Dibner, Martin. The Admiral. Doubleday, 1967
-Morris, Craig G. with Hugh Cave. The Fightin'est Ship: The Story of the Cruiser Helena. Dodd, Mead & Company, 1944

*This list is enumerated in the first post, and may be expanded as other sources become available.

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USS Helena: "Drownin's a Bad Way to Go" - 6/22/2015 3:14:40 AM

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13 DEC 41

"EMERGENCY LEFT RUDDER, ALL AHEAD FULL!!!"

Out of the corner of his right eye, Lt. (jg.) Watson saw Enterprise begin heeling to starboard and realized she was in a full port turn. Helena's turn radius was smaller, but had he seen the big carrier's turn in time? Had he given the correct order? Of course he did, stop being stupid, he thought.

He and Stick watched as two SBD Dauntless dive bombers skidded across Enterprise's deck, and then one, as if clinging to hope, hung by a landing gear on a gun well until the gear snapped, and it too went over the side.

"Damn... I hope no one was in them planes. Drownin's a bad way to go."

"Can't think about that, Stick. Carry on."

"Aye sir".

Watson turned to his JA talker, "Conn to Captain. Reacting to Enterprise port turn. On station and operating as before. All is well."

"Very well," came the reply.

It was a near thing, Enterprise later reported. While she was conducting flight operations, four torpedoes were spotted on her starboard side and her helmsman threw her over hard. In response, Phelps, Selfridge, and Fanning gave the sub a thorough working over while the big girl cleared the area.

Historian Samuel Eliot Morison (RAdm., USN Ret.) would later describe the scene as this: "A carrier is like an old woman in the middle of a drunken bar fight. She has no buisness being there, and should do her best to get out of the room."*

*Morison, Samuel Eliot (RAdm., USN Ret.) History of United States Naval Operations in World War II, Vol. X. Little, Brown and Company. 1947-1962

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Sub attack near Pearl Harbor!
-BB Arizona -torpedoes miss
-BB Maryland -torpedoes miss

Amphibious TF unloading at Tulagi
Amphibious TF unloading at Miri

Japanese forces CAPTURE Darwin
Japanese forces CAPTURE Hong Kong
Japanese forces CAPTURE Shortlands
Japanese forces CAPTURE Victoria Point
Japanese occupy Kwangchowan

The Imperial steamroller moves along...

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USS Helena: Sometimes, Lessons Have to Learn Themselves - 6/23/2015 4:53:42 PM

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14 DEC 41

One day in port was all that was to be had. Jim wasn't too bothered that he didn't rate liberty. It wasn't that he wasn't up for it, or was looking to butter up his new captain by putting his nose to the grindstone. As a chief, more was expected of him, and he knew that. And he didn't want to get himself or a shipmate killed because he had left something undone. But Jim had not yet learned to delegate. One of his favorite sayings was "if you want a job done right, ya gotta do it yourself."

Shipboard routine is just that - routine. Except when it's not.

During the day, structures like Helena's charthouse could be left open so that the breeze of the ship underway would naturally keep at a livable temperature. At night however, under darken ship conditions, it could become stifling. The Navigator went to Jim, and they started talking kicking around ideas on how they could keep the charthouse open but keep light from being seen from the outside. For days they had been back and forth on it. Finally, between several of them, they came up with a system of heavy canvass flaps slightly offset to enable the door to be open and allow one man to pass without emitting any light.

Brilliant, except for one flaw - someone unfamiliar with the setup would let out light. One person was frequently guilty of this, but was never caught. The Navigator decided to lie in wait on the culprit. That night, sure enough, someone was fumbling with the door. The Navigator pounced on him and announced "I got him!" The figure who emerged from the entanglement was none other than... The Captain himself.

Captain Hoover took it in stride, however. "Fellas, I think I found a flaw in your design. Please get this squared away."

"Aye aye, Captain."

Then in a quieter voice as a grin spread across his face, he said, "And next time, use a willing guinea pig to test your ad hoc solutions."

Sometimes, lessons have to learn themselves.

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Helena still patrolling in company of Enterprise

IJN Carriers still active near Soerbaja and Darwin/Ambon

IJN subs still thick near Pearl Harbor and shooting at patrolling BB's (but missing)
-BB Arizona
-BB Maryland

Amphibious TF offshore of Gasmata

Japanese forces CAPTURE Tulagi

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USS Helena: "Drownin's a Bad Way to Go" - 6/23/2015 6:15:32 PM

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"Cat With Bag on Head" Moment.

Two scenes covering 13 DEC and 14 DEC were posted out of order.

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RE: USS Helena: "Drownin's a Bad Way to Go" - 6/23/2015 7:16:22 PM

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"Cat With Bag on Head" moment.

When trying to fix the issue, I ended up adding 2 posts.

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RE: USS Helena: "Drownin's a Bad Way to Go" - 6/23/2015 8:58:11 PM

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"Cat With Bag on Head" moment.

When trying to fix the issue, I ended up adding 2 posts.

Sounds like you need to make a checklist for before posting.

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