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[ADDED/UPDATED DB v439] Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51 - 6/22/2015 12:10:11 AM

Tarawa565

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Updated a bunch! More NATO and Russian assets in play. German ASuW in 2015, minus the surface fleet.

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Guten Abend Herr Oberst,

Hostilities began with Russia this evening at 2200 ZULU. Your squadron, JG51 (24 Tornados), is tasked with striking a Russian amphibious group moving towards Denmark.

My first real scenario attempt. Inspired by "The War That Never Was" in a modern day setting.

Feedback welcomed!

Thanks!

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RE: Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51 - 6/22/2015 4:54:14 AM

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This sounds like a fun scen, thanks for sharing

It seems the Kormoran 2 was retired without replacement in 2004.

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RE: Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51 - 6/22/2015 4:59:56 AM

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I posted over in the DB3000 thread as well regarding the Kormoran loadout. I couldn't find any info on a retirement date...but found stuff saying it was still in use...*sigh*.

It would definitely make the scenario wayyyyy harder to have to go after the Russian battlegroup with LGBs, Mavericks, and Mk 82 AIRs. Right now there's a mix so you can at least try the different things. I found that while the ECRs and ASuW IDSs made out fairly well, the more modern IDSs (without Kormorans) trying to do bomb runs got shot down pretty quickly.

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RE: Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51 - 6/22/2015 5:30:47 AM

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Okay can we try to dig up info that confirms the weapon is still in service? Recent photos or news articles that mention live fire tests help tons

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RE: Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51 - 6/22/2015 4:45:03 PM

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As per the DB3K Database thread we've added Kormorant 2 to Luftwaffe Tornado IDS MLU from 2005 to 2012 :) In 2013 the unit switched to Tornado ECR, specializing in SEAD. The Kormorant 2 missile was replaced by GBU-54, apparently.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention!

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RE: Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51 - 6/23/2015 7:45:24 PM

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Nice Scenario !

I got my Ass handed to me on the first tries :)

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RE: Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51 - 7/13/2015 12:18:11 AM

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Nice mission, i was hoping someone would do a baltic scenario with Tornados.

A few points to consider.

- Veteran Typhoons seem to be virtually invulnerable to russian AAMs, you should consider setting most of them to regular and only a few to veteran, and/or tweak the missiles WRA/firing range to increase hit probability. Only 1 Typhoon was lost when he overflew a frigate.

- The russian escorts are rather easy to defeat due to lack of early warning, i suggest to put an A-50 in an orbit behind them. Not too far so they have a chance of picking up sea skimmers, but also not too close to the Typhoons.

- Allied fighters jump my tankers as soon as they take off, draining the fuel that i wanted to use for an awesome low-level attack with short range loadouts. Please set the two allies sides UNREP doctrine to Never.

Hope this helps, some things may offset the balance too much though, making it too hard.
Combination of Kormoran and Harm worked nicely, altough i often got the Harm timing wrong.
Later on i tried using the Mk82 AIR against LST but got shot down, might have been better to order them in at sea level from astern where there might be a CIWS blind spot.

In the end i scored a major victory with 235 points.

SIDE: Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51
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LOSSES:
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3x Tornado IDS
2x Tornado IDS

EXPENDITURES:
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10x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
40x AGM-88B HARM
32x AS.34 Kormoran 2
6x AGM-65D Maverick IR
8x Mk82 500lb AIR [Ballute]

SIDE: OPFOR
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LOSSES:
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15x Su-35S Flanker
7x Ka-27PL Helix A
2x MPK Soobrazitelny [Pr.2038.1, Mod Steregushchy]
2x SKR Neustrashimy [Pr.1154 Yastreb]
2x EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956A]
6x BDK Alligator [Pr.1171 Tapir]
1x MPK Gremyashchy [Pr.2038.5, Improved Steregushchy]
4x BDK Vitse Admiral Ivan Gren [Pr.1171.1]

EXPENDITURES:
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13x RGB-75 [Basic Search, Passive Omni]
59x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
55x AA-12 Adder A [R-77, RVV-AE]
8x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
2x AA-11 Archer [R-73M]
36x SA-N-21c Growler [9M96]
39x SA-N-7 Gadfly [9M38]
1x SA-N-10 Gimlet [9M313]
19x AK-130 130mm/54 Twin Frag Burst [2 rnds]
53x 100mm/59 A-190 Frag
6x SA-N-11a Grisom [9M311K]
70x PK-10 Chaff [SR-50]
19x SA-N-9 Gauntlet [9M330-2 Kinzhal]
7x PK-16 Chaff [TSP-60U]
4x 30mm Twin Gatling Gsh-6-30K Burst [375 rnds]
34x AK-630M 30mm/65 Gatling Burst [400 rnds]
2x PK-2 Chaff [TSP-47]
25x 57mm/70 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
10x AK-176 76mm/60 HE Burst [2 rnds]
7x PK-10 Flare [SO-50]

SIDE: NATOFORBALT
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LOSSES:
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1x EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon

EXPENDITURES:
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66x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM P3I.2
45x Generic Chaff Salvo [8x Cartridges]
10x AIM-2000A IRIS-T
10x 27mm Mauser BK-27 Burst [30 rnds]
1x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Dual Spectral]
10x DM2A4 Seehecht
2x DM2A3 Seehecht

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RE: Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51 - 7/13/2015 2:03:25 AM

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Thanks for the feedback.

Lots of updates coming to this scenario that should make it quite a bit harder. Tweaked the AAW scene a little so it's now rather up in the air which side gets superiority. Some playthoughs resulted in Russian air superiority, some in Luftwaffe, most resulted in both bleeding each other dry.

Also, waiting for DB v439 to get pushed out. There were some changes to reflect the OOB of the Luftwaffe/Marineflieger. It'll get A LOT harder. Say bye to the Kormorans, unfortunately. Also, the squadron will become a mixed ECR and IDS group to reflect real life. I can't find any data on the exact mix (everything reports Recce and ECR variants combined). But, the ECR should be able to carry some more weapons.

I'll post an updated version tomorrow.

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RE: Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51 - 7/13/2015 3:40:31 AM

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Interesting. I wonder what they would do in real life without Kormoran. Maybe an Orion MPA coordinating a combined Sea-Air attack, Harms fired in the end-game of a RBS-15 strike?

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RE: Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51 - 7/13/2015 3:58:19 PM

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Hadn't thought of the P-3 squadron that the Marineflieger had, thanks! Added them in now flying out of Nordholz, as well as some other fun assets to cloud up the electronic picture even more. In real life I guess the surface fleet would have more of an active role. I'll see what adding it in does to the gameplay.

Hopefully this version is a little more fun, little more challenging. The air battle pretty much always ended up as a draw for me (Typhoons achieving 2:1, 3:1 kill rate). Mainly just there for flavor and if you get unlucky it might ruin your day.

Let me know what you think! Thanks for trying it out.

Updated the file in the original post, also putting it here.

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RE: Taktisches Luftwaffengeschwader 51 - 7/14/2015 5:34:24 AM

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Challenging it is, and fun!

It is hard but doable, i claim 4 escorts sunk or heavily damaged against 4-6 losses. I might be able to reduce losses after learning from my first attempt.

- The swedes are still refueling from my tankers, that caused the loss of 3 of my aircraft.

- Since Norway is already on board with that sub you may wanna use their ECM Falcon 20 instead of the EC-130, doesn't matter though.

- Russian ECM and AEW aircraft are way too close imo, bringing them very close to danger and also making the attack much harder.

- Submarines totally dominate the battle. They are often quite shallow running their diesels, but still remain undetected and kill everything with no losses. I think a single 212 firing single torpedoes per target could do the job all alone.

Using LGB is a bit awkward with that pesky unrealistic 10000 ft min launch altitude, but it works with buddylasing. Using Mk82 Air is a nono, wouldnt use it with escorts still up, if at all.

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