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Sov '42 OOB - 7/18/2015 3:55:04 PM

charlie0311

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Hi all,

Sov can have about 250 inf brgds and 500 APs, ready before the Voronezh front comes about t50.

Typed the whole thing up but timed out.

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RE: Sov '42 OOB - 7/19/2015 7:34:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: charlie0311

Hi all,

Sov can have about 250 inf brgds and 500 APs, ready before the Voronezh front comes about t50.

Typed the whole thing up but timed out.

and should aim for this. I reckon you need about 120 spare divisions to survive the summer. Around 60-80 will go on replacing destroyed units and the balance can fill out the new command capacity that you get from the summer/autumn. Advantage of the brigade building option is that they flip to divisions with 50 morale, a huge bonus over building them as rifle divisions

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RE: Sov '42 OOB - 7/19/2015 8:39:26 PM

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yep, 50 morale way better than 40.

Assuming the players don't build tank xxx in Apr. V. front gives the AP bonus, 125, I think, so one can start using the AP bank in Jun for Gd rifle xxx, should be close to 40.

This strategy means, mostly, wait to build tank xxx, for winter offensive, after national moral goes back up to 45 in Oct.

axis player, by concentrating panzers, can really do the damage. Duh..

And, if you have a ton of sappers in Stravka, then the brigades within 5 hexes (under Stravka) entrench right quick.

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RE: Sov '42 OOB - 7/20/2015 1:11:47 AM

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Yes this morale exploit really needs to get hit with the nerf bat soon.

Its clearly a work around for whatever the National Morale Levels are set at.

New units arrive at 40 or 45 ect, divisions built start at the NM level, but brigades by the 100's arrive at 50 morale.

This would be like Germany late in war building regiments at 70 morale when NM is 60 and then forming a division from the regiments at 70 morale.

Simply an exploit that should be closed.

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RE: Sov '42 OOB - 7/20/2015 4:01:45 AM

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Hehehe, "dems da rules pal",hehehe.

all those brgds can be built before the morale crash, what you want, make em morale 40 if made into divs. ?

he,he,he I can't stop saying it, somebody help me quick.

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RE: Sov '42 OOB - 7/20/2015 5:07:58 AM

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Yes. The reason for the brigades being 50 NM is that supposedly the Soviets were better at handling smaller units. When you form divisions out of them, the Soviets shouldn't be suddenly able to handle big units better.

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RE: Sov '42 OOB - 7/20/2015 3:34:30 PM

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After they get some practice at brdgs level, then good to go for xx and xxx. Ya think, maybe?**

Seemed ok, for, how many years now?

**have seen this claim made for Union officers in ACW.

btw, I always agree with Blubel.

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RE: Sov '42 OOB - 7/20/2015 3:38:45 PM

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there is a negative part to this. It takes longer to produce a workable division from scratch this way and also when you make a division some bits of the OOB are missing from the brigade components. So those are added usually at low experience levels.

You either use the unit with a partial OOB, or let it fill out and gain experience and most likely you'll use 3-4 morale points before its combat ready.

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RE: Sov '42 OOB - 7/20/2015 4:59:57 PM

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This was added during the most horrible patch ever 1.05 it needs to be removed.

Not sure why a rule like that was added that can so easly be exploited

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RE: Sov '42 OOB - 7/20/2015 6:04:26 PM

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ok, I'll find something else to hehehe over. Maybe 50 to 45 morale drop when brds combine to something bigger during the summer of (sov) sorrow '42. Then 50 to NM other times.

One last hehe..he.

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