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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/8/2017 4:15:35 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/8/2017 4:25:27 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/8/2017 4:26:57 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/8/2017 4:29:53 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/8/2017 4:31:53 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/8/2017 5:11:16 PM   
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Guys, I have a question considering PDU off and Sam. Wouldn't it be more economical to start researching Sam AFTER research on M6A line is complete?
Firstly, you wouldn't spend all that supply when you need it the most - during expansion stage. You shouldn't stop while you are ahead.
Second, If you switch 30 size research factories to Sam, they'll go down to 20, not 0, so not much additional input is needed to bring them up to 30 again.
Third, if you start researching Sam in first half of 1943, you'll already have a engine bonus, factories will repair and research a lot faster since arrival date is closer than it is in 12/41.
All in all, you could easily get Sam in first half of 1944 with no significant cost while at the same time remaining somewhat competitive with the Zero line.
What are your thoughts?
PS: Love reading your AARs, learned A LOT from them.

Cheers!

How many A6M factories are you talking about?

I think you need to get Sam asap, which means separate line. The A6M r&d facilities can go Ki94II instead if the game is in position to support it, or Frank B, Randy 102b etc.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/8/2017 6:36:14 PM   
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Guys, I have a question considering PDU off and Sam. Wouldn't it be more economical to start researching Sam AFTER research on M6A line is complete?
Firstly, you wouldn't spend all that supply when you need it the most - during expansion stage. You shouldn't stop while you are ahead.
Second, If you switch 30 size research factories to Sam, they'll go down to 20, not 0, so not much additional input is needed to bring them up to 30 again.
Third, if you start researching Sam in first half of 1943, you'll already have a engine bonus, factories will repair and research a lot faster since arrival date is closer than it is in 12/41.
All in all, you could easily get Sam in first half of 1944 with no significant cost while at the same time remaining somewhat competitive with the Zero line.
What are your thoughts?
PS: Love reading your AARs, learned A LOT from them.

Cheers!


This is where my third Sam R&D factory came from (completing the A6M line).

Your second point is also why you'd have even less supplies during the expansion phase, unless you just let that factory earmarked for Sam sit idle and do nothing with it until later. Better to just set them from the start.

I don't think you can "easily get Sam in first half of 1944" unless you invest significantly in it during the first month of the war.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/9/2017 8:30:47 PM   
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Big attack at Katha...




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/9/2017 8:37:18 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/9/2017 9:06:33 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/9/2017 9:11:02 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/11/2017 11:49:16 AM   
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I put a squadron of A6M5c at Katha, testing, and the Hellcats come first and crush the Zeroes who were down low. After many sweeps the Bombers came.

Notice the movement pips...breakout at Katha, and also the horde on the plains.






Also, two big fleets and 110 fighters at Port Blair.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/11/2017 5:04:07 PM   
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Yesterday the Allies spotted a relief convoy for Rabaul with the 16th Division...so I re-routed them to Manus...Rabaul bombarded overnight by several battleships...no mines hit, no cd guns fired.

Also a 5 battleships 2 TF bombardment of Kodiak.

Some Lillies fly without escort (my bad) and got thru but missed the light cruisers at port in Port Moresby.




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/11/2017 7:27:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ooops, I wanted to take some more pictures and post them and clean forgot. Sorry.

I put some LRCAP over Katha on the off chance he would bomb and not sweep after trashing some zeros yesterday, but no joy. He swept.

My normal traps and raids are up...more mines destined for Rabaul -- about 500 more if I can get them laid.

Sam's continue to repair damaged factories quite fast, it is like there is a bonus for having one factory fully repaired.

End of the month fast approaching.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 12:08:39 AM   
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The Betty gets most all squadrons...the Peggy gets up to 5 squadrons...the Jack only 1 for now, eventually 4.

I never used the Peggy much in my last game, so I am looking forward to using them here. Betty...ok, but the Jack is a screamer.

I finally finished buying out my last destroyed unit from the West Coast (well destroyed division). Some have gone to Burma, SRA, Marianas, PI, while others continue building out at Tokyo.

Feels good to start buying out some troops/support units.






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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 11:55:13 AM   
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Attacks at Kodiak (1-7) and at Rabaul (1-2) leave the Allies a little bloodied.

Set up some daring raids, aggressive fighter usage this turn...we will see if any of it pays dividends.




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 12:06:40 PM   
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Ground combat at Kodiak (181,42)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7632 troops, 86 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 235

Defending force 6315 troops, 40 guns, 27 vehicles, Assault Value = 220

Allied adjusted assault: 55

Japanese adjusted defense: 407

Allied assault odds: 1 to 7 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
174 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1055 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 138 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 27 (1 destroyed, 26 disabled)

Assaulting units:
53rd (Sep) Infantry Regiment
22nd Marine Regiment

Defending units:
302nd Ind.Infantry Battalion
Ichiki Det.
65th Bde /4
46th JNAF AF Unit
11th Air Fleet /1

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 12:12:22 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 12:20:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Allies bomb the clear terrain north of Shwebo, where I have two garrison infantry units and 7 AA units and 1/3rd of a tank division all moving to various spots.

Lots more waves and the AA keeps busy...

Morning Air attack on 41st Infantry Regiment, at 60,44 , near Shwebo

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator II x 14
B-17E Fortress x 6
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 15
B-24D1 Liberator x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 20

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 5 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 6 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
108 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 12:26:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		48 days till a very significant growth in Japanese Army strength. And here is one reason why you need to slow the 43 expansion down, these troops need time to prep, train and build morale.

I am trying to figure out how to get more troops into Rabaul without losing the ships, as a full division is at Manus. I have 500 more mines coming to Rabaul...and the Kaga has shed any detection levels on her and will now head back to Babeldoab freeing up the KB.






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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 12:32:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Kaga, heavily escorted with 2 ASW TFs, and 20 ships mostly destroyers shepherding her back to Babeldoab. She picked up a knot of speed today.

Yesterday an AR joined her task force. Alfred posits that the ship provides no extra damage control while at sea in a task force...but it is comforting.

Kaga will probably disband and go into pierside at Babeldoab to reduce the system damage a bit before legging back to Honshu.

Allies already have heavy concentration of subs watching the repair yards at Honshu.




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 12:50:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		AA range - If his LBs are coming in under 10k that will allow some medium AA to hit them. Above 10k means just your heavy AA. So Jocke needs to either go up 1k or 2k or down more and get better results, but take more damaged/destroyed bombers, IMO.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 12:58:40 PM   
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AA range - If his LBs are coming in under 10k that will allow some medium AA to hit them. Above 10k means just your heavy AA. So Jocke needs to either go up 1k or 2k or down more and get better results, but take more damaged/destroyed bombers, IMO.


They are dropping at 9K, 2K above the 25mm guns. There is a big gap from 7k to 25K...in fact there is nothing there (ok, maybe 10 guns at 8k for the entire Empire). In truth he could come down 1-2K more and be okay...but lets not tell him, ok?

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 1:27:46 PM   
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Quiet day...lost an E to a sub, no traps worked, and Kaga finished pumping all the counter flooding out so only major float damage left of 28.




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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 1:33:57 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 1:38:14 PM   
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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 1:47:50 PM   
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Saving damaged ships is one of the more entertaining games within the game for the Japanese. Allied players really have no appreciation of how careful you have to be to save a ship with even moderate damage much less major damage. Saving a ship is one of those little victories that keeps you going.

Wa

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 2:51:21 PM   
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Saving damaged ships is one of the more entertaining games within the game for the Japanese. Allied players really have no appreciation of how careful you have to be to save a ship with even moderate damage much less major damage. Saving a ship is one of those little victories that keeps you going.

Wa



Ain't that the truth! I almost never scuttle a ship, but move heaven and earth to save them.



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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 2:53:42 PM   
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Really looking forward to the new month: faster r&d; new planes, and over the next several months a serious strengthening of Japan overall.

I haven't fully recovered from my West Coast debacle, but feel like the period of maximum danger has passed....and I am in much better shape than I thought I would be.

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RE: Gnashing of Teeth: Cries of Fury - 5/12/2017 3:09:59 PM   
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Saving damaged ships is one of the more entertaining games within the game for the Japanese. Allied players really have no appreciation of how careful you have to be to save a ship with even moderate damage much less major damage. Saving a ship is one of those little victories that keeps you going.

Wa



Ain't that the truth! I almost never scuttle a ship, but move heaven and earth to save them.


In all my games as IJN I have never scuttled a ship until my last turn.. it was at 99 Fire and at a dot base.. I also enjoy the repair game. Like Lowpe said - its a small victory every time.

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