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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 12:46:26 PM

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Jack Bunt rode his horse west to Hughenden from Torrens Creek. The morning air was warm and his pack full of mail. Jack was what passed for authority in these parts. He was a mailman.

Well, to be honest, there was a new authority at Hughenden. A colored detachment of the United States Army was present. They were stockpiling ammunition in 20 ton piles upon the Town Common near the junction of the railroad. Already there were 6 piles of them, and more trains were arriving.

The troops were busy unloading trains, and making piles. When they weren't doing that they worked on firebreaks and controlled burns.

Dangerous as it was, the ammunition would be needed if the Japanese invaded the coast. Although, the papers seemed to think the Japanese had been halted and beat back in the New Hebrides. But, Jack didn't buy it. The blighters were in Port Moresby and had a fort at Horn Island. Everyday there had been reported sightings of Japanese planes, but Jack had yet to see one.

Dangerous times. Jack felt better knowing he had taken precautions. Slung across his back was a SMLE Enfield and at his waist 4 stripper clips of 5 rounds each. Shooting was something every mailman in these parts could do well.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 5:12:43 PM

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In the dark moonless night the IJN heavy Cruisers come calling...walking their shells up and down the runway.

Mines and coastal guns now decorate the environs of Luganville.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 5:21:12 PM

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Near the Cloncurry River, the cattle grazed in the early morning heat while overhead, the drone of engines could be heard. Really, really loud.

Sgt Willis raised his head, from examining his Type C rations, and thought...the runway here is very small. And then the bombs started dropping, whistling, exploding, and it dawned with a sinking realization that Willis was eating next to 6 piles of 20 tonnes of ammunition in the Town Center.

Sgt Willis found religion in that moment.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 5:25:19 PM

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And then the Oscars came, screaming in low, just above the cattle seemingly and Sgt Willis released his hold on Earthly things.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 5:26:19 PM

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You definitely have strategic bombing down pat. I tried three days in a row bombing the resources at Cloncurry with two Sentai's of Sally's totaling 54 bombers. I didn't score a single city hit so I pretty much just gave up even trying to strategic bomb anymore. Maybe next time around I'll get it figured out.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 5:31:30 PM

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A Dutch submarine is horribly damaged by a Japanese bomber...

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 5:43:42 PM

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In the distance, in the sky, there were small lazy clouds floating in the sky over Hughenden. Odd, thought Bunt.

The mailman, had had a strange day. Rumors of attacks from Townsville, and even Cloncurry. Who could believe that? Too much sun.

Bunt had his rifle and horse to keep him company as he resumed delivering the mail in the late afternoon. The drone of airplanes could be heard in the distance, coming from Hughenden but the clouds were now much lower. There was no airport there, just another ammunition dump run by the US Army.

Was this a drill?

Then the planes became visible. Twin engined transport planes, but they had a red meatball on each wing.

Oh, my, God! Bunt loaded his Enfield and circled off the road. He would give these nippers the what for!

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 5:47:41 PM

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Did Jack Bunt happen to see Clint Morgan during his travels? Clint was last seen in my AAR wounded on the Kansas prairie, surrounded by hostiles. I haven't been able to find him.

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Jack Bunt rode his horse west to Hughenden from Torrens Creek. The morning air was warm and his pack full of mail. Jack was what passed for authority in these parts. He was a mailman.

Well, to be honest, there was a new authority at Hughenden. A colored detachment of the United States Army was present. They were stockpiling ammunition in 20 ton piles upon the Town Common near the junction of the railroad. Already there were 6 piles of them, and more trains were arriving.

The troops were busy unloading trains, and making piles. When they weren't doing that they worked on firebreaks and controlled burns.

Dangerous as it was, the ammunition would be needed if the Japanese invaded the coast. Although, the papers seemed to think the Japanese had been halted and beat back in the New Hebrides. But, Jack didn't buy it. The blighters were in Port Moresby and had a fort at Horn Island. Everyday there had been reported sightings of Japanese planes, but Jack had yet to see one.

Dangerous times. Jack felt better knowing he had taken precautions. Slung across his back was a SMLE Enfield and at his waist 4 stripper clips of 5 rounds each. Shooting was something every mailman in these parts could do well.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 5:50:02 PM

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Captains' Okada and Aoki toasted each other with sake this day!

Now, it is up to the Iboats hugging the coast north of Sydney to ambush the expected Allied response. No moon!

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 5:52:10 PM

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Captains' Okada and Aoki toasted each other with sake this day!

Sigh, rub it in why don't you.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 5:53:30 PM

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Did Jack Bunt happen to see Clint Morgan during his travels? Clint was last seen in my AAR wounded on the Kansas prairie, surrounded by hostiles. I haven't been able to find him.

Must have, because he was still delivering the mail in the early 1950's. A most famous mailmen! And the Hughenden ammunition explosion in late 42 early 43 was quite the local gossip. Who knew it was really Japanese paratroopers responsible?

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 5:58:07 PM

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A Kamikaze class DD after hitting a type 6 mine. Uh-oh!

Or is that a Mark II mine? Who to believe, the original report or this?

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 6:01:22 PM

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Those Nicks and Sonia's were lost attacking Chungking. The Nicks strafed of course, and were met with a wall of flak. The Sonia was much higher, but there was enough ammunition left in the city to hit them too.

They got their orders mixed up and were supposed to attack a Chinese Corp in the plains instead.

Oh well.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 6:07:23 PM

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Are you ready to RUMBLE!

The rumors spread thru the two hapless Chinese Corps that the Japanese have even affixed bayonets to their tanks!

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 6:29:18 PM

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The Chinese railroad gauge hasn't slowed the Japanese assault down at all.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 7:06:29 PM

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 7:13:54 PM

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You definitely have strategic bombing down pat. I tried three days in a row bombing the resources at Cloncurry with two Sentai's of Sally's totaling 54 bombers. I didn't score a single city hit so I pretty much just gave up even trying to strategic bomb anymore. Maybe next time around I'll get it figured out.

SR bombing with Japan is really, really tough. You just can't expect to pick it up.

These pilots have been training for almost 2 months for this operation.

The Dinah's and Babes flying recon from multiple runways were very well trained and experienced.

There is no AA to spoil the aim.

Range was very close.

Weather was poor.

An Air HQ was handy and close (at Mornington).

Leaders were good.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 7:29:22 PM

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You definitely have strategic bombing down pat. I tried three days in a row bombing the resources at Cloncurry with two Sentai's of Sally's totaling 54 bombers. I didn't score a single city hit so I pretty much just gave up even trying to strategic bomb anymore. Maybe next time around I'll get it figured out.

SR bombing with Japan is really, really tough. You just can't expect to pick it up.

These pilots have been training for almost 2 months for this operation.

The Dinah's and Babes flying recon from multiple runways were very well trained and experienced.

There is no AA to spoil the aim.

Range was very close.

Weather was poor.

An Air HQ was handy and close (at Mornington).

Leaders were good.

Didn't your entire strike launch from the CVs, not from Mornington? So the HQa doesn't matter. Nor does the strike range, except for coordination (CV strikes mostly stick together anyway). I don't think leaders affect ground bombing results at all, either. I would be surprised if so - I've never seen anyone suggest that, and the desired leader attributes repeatedly touted for air units (Air, Inspiration, Aggression, and Leadership) don't matter (there has been at least one thread where Naval skill for an air leader came up in a question asking if it increased hit changes for NavB/LowNav/NavT - it doesn't, and why would ground attacks be any different?). Training level on the recon pilots doesn't matter that much, but it does help mitigate poor rolls or socked-in flights.

The AA comment is on, as well as the obvious lack of CAP. The weather being poor maybe dinged your strike a little bit, if anything at all.

But really, strat bombing is a bit of a crapshoot. Resources, Factories, and Oil seem to be relatively easy to hit (not as easy as Manpower). Heavy Industry a bit harder, and Light a bit harder still. Cloncurry is a nice fat target with its 400+ Resources and unlikelihood that it will be used as an airbase at all since it's in the middle of nowhere. There's also that base southeast of Exmouth (starts with an R, I think?) that starts as a dot and 100+ Resources.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/19/2016 9:03:05 PM

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80 Planes launched offensively from Mornington: 40 Oscars strafing (arrived in two groups) and 40 Kates in two squadrons (not shown) plus a squadron of Babs doing recon.

I think leaders and HQ can effect the number of planes that launch, especially into a contested area.

I have heard Mr. Kane argue the high Naval skill in pilots helps with attacking higher value targets. Just what he said, not sure if it is true.

I think training on recon pilots is critical -- I see a huge correlation in game between skill 50 and skill 70. I figure high experience and high defense helps too with recon. High DL is I think one of the most important variables along with full bombloads and experienced/skilled pilots.

Short range insured the Vals (and Oscars although they were attacking the runways) were dropping their big bombs. I have seen plenty of time where I scored many resource/industry hits with the smaller bombs on Betties or Nells and not gotten a lot of victory points.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/20/2016 4:21:02 AM

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80 Planes launched offensively from Mornington: 40 Oscars strafing (arrived in two groups) and 40 Kates in two squadrons (not shown) plus a squadron of Babs doing recon.

I think leaders and HQ can effect the number of planes that launch, especially into a contested area.

I have heard Mr. Kane argue the high Naval skill in pilots helps with attacking higher value targets. Just what he said, not sure if it is true.

I think training on recon pilots is critical -- I see a huge correlation in game between skill 50 and skill 70. I figure high experience and high defense helps too with recon. High DL is I think one of the most important variables along with full bombloads and experienced/skilled pilots.

Short range insured the Vals (and Oscars although they were attacking the runways) were dropping their big bombs. I have seen plenty of time where I scored many resource/industry hits with the smaller bombs on Betties or Nells and not gotten a lot of victory points.

OK, with LBA involved, then yes an HQa within range will positively affect your strikes in at least one way (coordination). Other than affecting the number of planes that launch, and how well they do in air-to-air combat, leaders have no known effect on strikes.

Typically, at least for me, there is a glut of recon planes flying the assigned mission. You only need 3 "hits" to maximize the DL (source: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3694325&mpage=1&key=recon�). So if you figure even mediocre pilots (40-50 Recon skill, or average 45) and even only 8 planes flying (assuming 50% rest on one of those 16-plane units), the chance of poor results is small. Combine this with Recon pilots being easy to train up, and losses being low, and well... I never pay attention to their skill levels and it hasn't mattered for my recon. I'll divide USAAF units into 1/3's (5 planes each), set them to 50% or 60% rest, and pull in replacement-level pilots (average exp = 35?) and still have great recon results (DL 7/8 or DL 9/10 in a single day). Also note what that link says about increased DL from air units bombing targets.

And yeah - bomb size matters too. Just because you get a hit on industry doesn't mean it did any damage. I've seen 2 hits do no damage, and 20 hits do 50+ damage.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/20/2016 5:09:39 AM

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Recon planes do not use percentage to determine the number of planes per mission.....they launch 2 planes per phase I believe.

They do not use search arcs.

I have no clue how much information they deliver if shot down.

According to the manual they might coordinate with bombers in a mission. I had babs flying recon from the same base and at the same altitude as bombers.

If they recon the target after the strike, I doubt they did much to improve the accuracy of the bombers who arrived first.

Sometimes the final bombing wave, although fewer in number, does the most damage ... I attribute this to a higher DL.

Preferably you want recon to arrive prior to bombers.

A night recon prior to a morning attack probably helps.

Just my thoughts.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/20/2016 5:46:19 AM

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/20/2016 8:18:06 AM

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I see no mention of "Defeated Allied Units retreating" but on the plus point, no "Allied units surrender" either.

Maybe Jack is in hiding?

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/20/2016 6:08:18 PM

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2nd Week of Nov, 1942

A rare Japanese sweep that finds planes.

British altitudes are split between 15K and 20K.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/20/2016 6:12:25 PM

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Trying to keep Jocke off balance. Here a heavily escorted raid goes into Portland, striking at the repair yards.

I keep thinking the Allies will step up their CAP here, but not so.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/20/2016 7:40:08 PM

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Looks like around 21 British fighters are destroyed for a loss of 6 Zekes.

Two disappointing attacks in Paoshan. No strategic bombing in Oz....

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/20/2016 7:47:24 PM

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2nd Week of Nov, 1942

After a days respite, the Vals are set to ASW, Naval Search and strike; while the Kates continue where they left off. A small sweep happened first then the major carrier strike.

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RE: Manila Falls - 4/20/2016 7:49:58 PM

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Some escorted land based strikes...pretty soon, if not today, the CV strike force will retire and the remaining industry will need to be destroyed by the land based air.