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BB Supply ? - 3/20/2003 11:32:27 PM   
djoosten

 

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Status: offline 		Hello,

Im not somewhere in November, 1942 and there are 3 BB (allied) in Pearl Harbor for a long period just sitting there as well as the CV Wasp, im wondering when i get the first BB ?

I have seen at least 6 Japanese BB and sunk 2 by a nearby CV patrol but they are hammering me at night for the past two months now and i cant seem to get any BB to Noumea, anyone know when they become available ?

I was lucky hitting there CV's early in the war, i sank 6 CV and 3 CVL without loosing any CV, only had to repair 3 with minor damage. It seemed that if i kept seperate CV groups they got hit hard, but when i grouped them all togethere i sank there CV group in 3 days without having major damage. Now i split up to 3 CV in each TF and that seems enough to keep them safe and do damage to anything they encounter.

Only BB's are a mistery to me, i noticed a 4th is getting in Pearl Harbor in 30 days or so, but why aint i getting any?

Thanks in advance for sharing this with me.

P.S. Im doing the longest period of the missions the one that ends 31 Dec 43.

Dave
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- 3/20/2003 11:44:20 PM   
rcwkent

 

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Status: offline 		My attitude toward this, Dave, is that the ships are being used in other theaters, e.g. the atlantic, northern or central pacific. So I
don't consider them just "sitting at Pearl." I just played an AI game where I was given 4 BB's over the entire campaign, and never was there more than one in SOPAC at the same time.

On the other hand, in other games I've received copious amounts of ships.

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- 3/20/2003 11:51:15 PM   
djoosten

 

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Status: offline 		It noted there in Pearl Harbor, so that means there not in a different campaign .. in 2.2 i had two of these BB's allready, and still didnt got any at all?

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- 3/20/2003 11:53:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		What's your reinforcement setting? Historic or variable?
What's your ship commitment level? 50% 100% 150%?
If your reinforcement setting is historic and ship commitment level is 100%, you should have gotten some BB by November, 1942.

Here is delay days for BBs for histroic setting
Maryland 210
Colorado 210
Nevada 450
Pennsylvania 450
Tennessee 240
Idaho 240
New Mexico 270
Mississippi 270
North Carolina 60
Washington 120
South Dakota 150
Indiana 210
Massachusetts 300
Alabama 480

So, by the end of October, 1942 you should get North Carolina, Washington and South Dakota.
If your setting is variable, who knows? When you get which ship is entirely dependent upon computer's whim.:(

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- 3/20/2003 11:59:10 PM   
djoosten

 

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Status: offline 		I have historic settings .. and yeah i know i should have gotten those BB's allready :( Ill check it at home during lunchtime to make sure what are the settings and get me some screens to show how it looks like.

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- 3/21/2003 12:47:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		How have your losses been? If you look at the ship reinforcement screen you will see (on the upper right?) a message "Probability of ship release: Low, Moderate, of High" - or something to that effect.

If your ship losses have been low, or you are trying to repair them all in theatre (as opposed to sending them to Pearl), it could be that you are too close to your committment level to receive a BB. My method has been to send back CAs that need repair. I have found that if I send back ships whose value approximates the BPV of the BB, then the BB is usually released within a few days.

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- 3/21/2003 1:34:27 AM   
djoosten

 

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Status: offline 		I haven't send any CA's back yet, and i do have 2 CA in repair and 2 CL's, ill send them back tonight and see what happens.

This is a screenshot of how the BB status looks like in Pearl Harbor.

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- 3/21/2003 2:00:58 AM   
Yamamoto

 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Full Moon
[B]If your reinforcement setting is historic and ship commitment level is 100%, you should have gotten some BB by November, 1942.

Here is delay days for BBs for histroic setting

North Carolina 60
Washington 120
South Dakota 150


So, by the end of October, 1942 you should get North Carolina, Washington and South Dakota.
[/B][/QUOTE]

I believe that just means those ships will be available in Pearl Harbor on that date with historical setting. There is still no fixed day it is sent to you. That is always random based on current ships in play, reinforcement settings, month, and other esoteric factors.

Yamamoto

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- 3/21/2003 2:13:17 AM   
Feinder


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Status: offline 		Thge way the game handles sending you ships from Pearl, depends on the date, and the committment level.

I don't know the REAL numbers but it's something like...


05-42 thru 08-42 15k IJN / 10k USN
09-42 thru 12-42 12k IJN / 10k USN
01-43 thru 04-43 10k IJN / 12k USN
05-43 thru 08-43 10k IJN / 15k USN
09-43 thru 12-43 8k IJN / 15k USN

That roughly equates to the total number of VPs of ships presently in theater. That number is then modified by the ship committment percentage (of say 120% or whatever); so if both sides were at 120% commitment, the numbers for 05-42 thru 08-42 would be 18k IJN / 12k USN.

The farther under or over your target range, the more or less likely you are to receive a reinforcment. Be aware however, that not only do you need the points to release the capital ship, but you've also got to have the points for the ESCORTS. Pearl will not send a CV or BB by itself. I will always send it with at least 3 or 4 destroyers. If you don't have deficit of points to get the DDs in the package, or if you haven't got the DDs in Pearl to begin with, it won't send the capital ship.

And a final note to add to your gray hairs, is that it will let you sit at "probability of release = high" for a couple of turns, just to make sure you really ARE in a deficit. Maybe you just had a big CV battle and you lost a pair of CVs, but damaged 2 of his. The computer is gonna wait a few turns before sending the ships, just to see if the other CVs sink and therefore equalize the point deficit).

There's no way to explicity get the BBs tho. You could send back a couple of CAs, and some shot-up DDs and hope that you get one back.

-F-

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- 3/21/2003 2:15:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		And there's almost no chance that a BB will get released to you while ship release level is listed as low. Always send back anything seriously damaged or not needed. You'll get weapons upgrades and it will keep the ship release level reasonable.

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- 3/21/2003 2:42:12 AM   
djoosten

 

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Status: offline 		Feinder,

Yeah i had some major CV TF battles that i won, he lost 6 CV and 4 CVL in all the attacks between our carrier groups, i did this by each time i got in range i pulled all the CA escorts into a different TF and they went and attacked them during the night (doing much damage to his escorts) while at day they returned to the CV TF and i kept them safe with CAP while my bombers then finished off the remaining CV's without escorts giving him support. I guess i scorred to high on his CV's i now dont get any BB's :D

I sank 2 of his BB's allready but his biggest one is killing my port on Lunga with his big 18.1 guns and sank some supply lines, he seems to keep coming with a TF of 3BB, 6 CA, 2CL and 8 DD, never seen him making such big Bombard TF in this game yet!

Only thing i could do about it right now is putting the costal defense guns but so far they only hit his CL and DD's from time to time.

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- 3/21/2003 2:49:57 AM   
djoosten

 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by bradfordkay
[B]How have your losses been? [/B][/QUOTE]

If i recall it good i have about 8 ship loses, a few AP/AK, a SS and a DD.

On the other hand he lost worth about 1900 points of ships .. guess i play like Patton did on the ground by i do on the sea :)

He lost 6 CV, 3-4 CVL, 2 BB, 1 CA, 3 CL and several DD, the rest are AK/AP and all the small stuff he has been trying to sneak in my range. :D

My major tactic is i dont waste any planes on PM or Lunga to do CAP, i take my chances by putting a lot of AA batteries here while i put mainly fighter/bombers with a mission to straffe naval supply ships and level bombers to scout medium and long range for naval contacts to give me time to move my TF's to sneak on him before he can spot me.

I dont do anything about Rabaul, eventhough i know he has a lot of planes there .. about 100 fighters and 60 aux, and they do strike a lot, but because of the fighter/bombers doing there attacks while he comes over i rarely loose a plane, only thing he gets as a result is putting a hole in my runway that i fix all the time :D

Now preparing for the main assaults, both Rabaul and Shortland at the same time, but i rather have two BB's so i can put one for each force. Once i do this i can put my B17's from the mainland onto Lunga and PM that prepared and have max capability reached. Kinda thing this is not such a bad tactic if i can pull it off in the end :rolleyes:

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- 3/21/2003 3:08:20 AM   
bradfordkay

 

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Status: offline 		How is your supply status at Lunga? If his bombardment TFs and LBA have both been hitting at it with no opposition, you must be dangerously low on supply at that location. If I don't put up CAP over my TFs that are in the process of unloading, that mass of bombers (Bettys) at Rabaul makes me pay for my temerity (not to mention the Vals from Shortland - most likely survivors from lost CVs). I can't picture land based AA doing all that much to protect your transports... is that really working that well?



BTW: sorry for not mentioning that you do need to send escorts back with your damaged CAs in order to be sure that Pearl can release escorts with the capital ships. I tend to have a regular stream of damaged DDs running home to Pearl, so it slipped my mind...

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- 3/21/2003 3:32:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Be advised that coastal defense units are really only useful against Light Cruisers and smaller. They are usually only 5" guns which will be a sufficient deterrent to transports, DDs, and CLs, but against pretty much anything else, they're fairly useless (as they can't even dent CA much less BB).

To stop the continuous bombardment TFs.
1. Plant some mines.
2. Station some subs.
3. Plant some more mines.
4. Station some more subs.

The if you also park some of your CVs within range of his target, the next morning, you'll be able to pummel any of his surface ships that are unlucky enough to get damaged by your mines or subs.

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- 3/21/2003 4:05:55 AM   
djoosten

 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by bradfordkay
[B]How is your supply status at Lunga? If his bombardment TFs and LBA have both been hitting at it with no opposition, you must be dangerously low on supply at that location. If I don't put up CAP over my TFs that are in the process of unloading, that mass of bombers (Bettys) at Rabaul makes me pay for my temerity (not to mention the Vals from Shortland - most likely survivors from lost CVs). I can't picture land based AA doing all that much to protect your transports... is that really working that well?



BTW: sorry for not mentioning that you do need to send escorts back with your damaged CAs in order to be sure that Pearl can release escorts with the capital ships. I tend to have a regular stream of damaged DDs running home to Pearl, so it slipped my mind... [/B][/QUOTE]

What i do is put a CV TF between Shortland and Lunga with large CAP over the CV TF, seems they dont try to attack it then often, and if they do they have no good results 99% of the time they loose all there bombers. That way i need no CAP over the transports near Lunga, i have noticed if that CV is there they never try to attack, dunno why though?

Yeah tx for reminding me not to forget to send DD's with them, should 2 for each CA do the trick ?

True land based AA doesnt affect protection of the transport unloading.

This tactic i havent lost a single AP/AK to enemy bombers, only last a few due to the fact that they got ambushed by a 3BB TF

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- 3/21/2003 4:10:05 AM   
djoosten

 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Feinder
[B]Be advised that coastal defense units are really only useful against Light Cruisers and smaller. They are usually only 5" guns which will be a sufficient deterrent to transports, DDs, and CLs, but against pretty much anything else, they're fairly useless (as they can't even dent CA much less BB).

To stop the continuous bombardment TFs.
1. Plant some mines.
2. Station some subs.
3. Plant some more mines.
4. Station some more subs.

The if you also park some of your CVs within range of his target, the next morning, you'll be able to pummel any of his surface ships that are unlucky enough to get damaged by your mines or subs.

-F- [/B][/QUOTE]

I actually got one Coastal Shore Battlion with the 5" guns and another with the 15" guns (24) but the bigger onces seem not to effective yet, i guess ill need them do dig in better first. Dont have much of that done yet but i bet once that is done they should hurt CA's and BB's right ?

I rather have my subs harrasing his fleet back in his homebase :) Seems they do a splended job there keeping them in repairs hehe

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- 3/21/2003 4:12:26 AM   
djoosten

 

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Status: offline 		Think i went a big crazy on this move lol, i put about 200 level bombers on Lunga and did two air raids, now Rabaul and Shortland lost both about 60 fighters and bombers and have 72 and 79 damage to the airfield :)

Now i gotta resupply Lunga with all i got, not a real smart move of mine, needs about 13000 supply!

Think ill move them backwards again, just tried out to see what effect they had.

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- 3/21/2003 4:29:34 AM   
Yamamoto

 

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Status: offline 		If you sank 6 of his CVs and you have 6 CVs yourself, you are not going to get any BBs EVER. You have way more points than he does and you are proably over your limit anyway. If you are the US you might get some BBs late in the game when your commitment level goes up even more but you've really already won.

The Japanese shouldn't send anything back after about September of 42, except small ships like DDs. Anything else won't make it back before their commitment level goes down in 43. As the Japanese I only send ships back if they are so worthless that I know I won't use them in combat ever again.

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- 3/21/2003 8:37:33 AM   
wobbly

 

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Status: offline 		Since the post has sort of changed (from how do I get BB's to how do i stop his bombard force) as allies base some PT's there. They are excellent at stoppping bombard TF's and occasionally putting a few holes in his ships. Very cheap deterrent too.

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- 3/21/2003 5:33:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with wobbly.

Your JPG about BB arrival shown that you have 33 PT available. Put most of them in Lunga and they will put some fishs into BB and CA... hardly sinking them but enough to send them back to truk or even to Japan.

And if you have some bombers on naval attack based in Lunga, they will bomb and sink the cripples.

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- 3/21/2003 9:11:18 PM   
djoosten

 

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Status: offline 		Yamamoto,

You mean its all over when you sink his CV's ? I guess that makes quick games then, nearly every start of a mission i task myself with all things that can shoot to ambush all his patrolling CV TF, after that i go back to the routine of convoys and buildup for invasions. I guess ill have some more fun trying to catch these 3 sneaky BB's on there tows when they come visit me in Lunga again :D

Amiral,

Sounds like a good idea, will try these new PT boats tonight, i didnt really know what to do with them untill you just told me :) Those type i didnt know what to do with, also those PG, AV and SC class, what i do with those, i have really no clue, i nearly always send em back now to Pearl since i got no idea on how to use them. They either have no range for fuel or no AA or something on it i dont know what it does, like that mousetrap, what they use this for ?

Im going to much off the topic though, sorry about that, tx for all your help in letting me know a few things i sure didn't think about or new about :)

S!

DJ

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- 3/21/2003 9:43:00 PM   
Feinder


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Status: offline 		Djoosten,

I recognize those emblems in your sig. You're a WW2O player? Same here...



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AV, SC and other PG - 3/21/2003 9:56:15 PM   
AmiralLaurent

 

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Status: offline 		AV are very useful, they give support point for floatplanes and patrols planes.
So you can place your Base Force where you have land-based planes, for any base with only patrol planes an AV will be enough.
So you can have forward bases with PBY and pick some news of your opponent's move.

PG and SC are your ASW main force. You can also use DD but they are more useful on the frontline. Small ASW boats are here to protect the rear supply lines.
Their problem is their low starting exp. Put them in big packs (10-15), and send them in patrol/do not retire out of Noumea or Brisbane. Their experience will rise while they are at sea.
If one of your planes see a sub, send the SC TF over it. They are not supposed to be able to kill it before their exp is > 60, but it happens sometimes. And if the subs kills some SCs, that is some torpedoes that will not hit something important....
SCs are expendable, CVs are not.

ASW warfare isn't so important againt an AI with Jap sub doctrine on, it is in PBEM with doctrine off...

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AV's rule! - 3/21/2003 11:13:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		As Japan, shifting your starting AV from Rabaul to just south of Shortland and shift your starting patrol group from Shortland, you now have the ability to fly recon over Noumea directly, which tells you (a) if he moves troops and (b) when his CV's leave port (due to the patch mods on port).

This kind of information is worth it's weight in gold as you will know within 24 hours of his CV ambitions and CV arrivals which allows you to plan based on the duration it takes for CV's leaving Noumea to be a threat to shipping.

Add to this the shock impact of him knowing you know what he is doing at Noumea which is always great for causing stress :D

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- 3/24/2003 9:30:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		You guys got more CVs than BBs? Mine is (or rather was) the opposite. I had 2 CVs and 5 CVEs, but I had to send 2 CVEs back. I had 6 BBs, but on sending 3 back I got and am getting a total of 4 more, but the decided to not send me any more carriers. He still has all his BBs. I have identified all 4 Kongos, both Nagotos, 1 or 2 Ise and of Fusos, and both Yamatos. All's I got are 2 South Dakotas, 1 Colorado, and 1 New Mexico (I sent both North Carolinas, 1 South Dakota, and 2 New Mexicos back due to damage). oh, and of those, the Colorado (Maryland) is sitting at Lae with 99 sys damage..... hmmm. So I have 3 BBs and getting 2 to 4. Nice. lol

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