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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/21/2015 11:57:43 PM

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Westinghouse is a major player in nuclear reactor designs. Their designs are used in a large number of the world's civilian reactors in service today. I don't know how much defense work they do these days, but they were a major defense contractor in the early days of the nuclear arms race. In their early days Westinghouse made the first railroad car brakes and George Westinghouse got staggeringly rich off Nikola Tesla's AC electric generator.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/22/2015 4:13:03 AM

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In the early 70 my older brother used to play some kind of naval wargame with miniatures. Must have been scenarios as they only took an afternoon. They rented out the HS gym and used the whole basketball court. I thought it was about the geekiest thing I had ever heard of in my life. Girls were far more interesting.

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Moose, I think that game was called "Seapower". Made for use wih 1/1200 scale ships. Somewhere in the garage I still have a bunch of those ships in a box. They were made by a company in Virginia called "ALNAVCO". I think they marketed the game as well.

Another contender is Battle Stations!. This doesn't use dice but a slide rule to do gunnery calculations and ship list is calculated from flooding compartments in a diagram of the ships internal structure... (draw you own conclusions regarding complexity from that!!!

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https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/18596/battlestations

It's designed for scales of 1:1200 to 1:19200 but with the 16"/50 1936m7 gun (Iowa, Montana class) having a maximum range on 42,345 yards (which equates to 35 yards at 1:2400 scale), you still have a game with a HUGE playing area!!!

It was computerised in a game called Action Stations by a company called Raw Entertainment which took all the calculations off the player and added an element of "Fog of War". However, the IBM-PC DOS/keyboard user interface was terrible and I believe the only version worth playing was the Amiga version which used that machines GUI user interface. (You can still find it on abandon-ware sites).

A comprehensive range 1:2400 waterline ship models are still available from GHQ Models

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Warning: Nostalgia Attack...... - 9/22/2015 6:36:22 AM

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I have always liked the comprehensive nature of the Battle Station! rules as it encourages realistic tactics.

For instance you don't actually need to sink a ship. If you open up enough compartments on one side (usually with a well timed torpedo salvo) before they counter flood (which brings problems of its own), a ship can actually capsize!!!

This shows the value of torpedo bulges and makes a loner long lance carrying destroyer in low visibility conditions a fearsome threat even to capital ships. I've even seen the same trick pulled off by Fletchers though its most effective against CA. This is the real historical role of the CL - screen the battle line from enemy light forces. None of this "I'm bigger than you and have too many hit points to sink in one turn" stuff!! They built those historical ship classes for a reason - ignore historical tactics at your own risk.

The other factor I liked about this rule set was the effectiveness of the machine gun cruisers. The smaller guns had less penetrating power against the accurately modelled target armour but had a much higher rate of fire. While they could not penetrate the belt armour, they could sweep the deck clean of the more lightly armoured superstructure and turn the Yamato into an unsinkable armoured barge. Those big guns are no use without directors to aim them.

With a bit of luck you might even start a big fire which would really ruin his day, (and light him up as a target in a night action). Once again the defence was the historical use of light escort forces.

Playing as miniatures was always problematic unless you truncated the scale but it worked nicely as a computer game (scalable maps). D@#% those clunky user interfaces of the 80's......

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/22/2015 6:39:07 AM

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Well, 3M used to have a great series of Bookcase games. My uncle who worked for the company would give us one about each Christmas. Conglomerates back in the day thought they could go into any line of business and make a buck. Come to think of it, that's still true here in Korea.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/22/2015 6:53:47 AM

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I believe Avalon Hill bought the 3M game line and re-marketed a number of them under their name.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/22/2015 6:55:24 AM

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Yaquinto Publications was (still is) a printing company which diversified into the games industry leveraging off their printing expertise.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/22/2015 10:43:54 AM

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I believe Avalon Hill bought the 3M game line and re-marketed a number of them under their name.

Yes, my old high school gaming buddy and I played the heck out of Feudal.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/22/2015 10:53:44 AM

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That's been done before...

The Sky's the Limit

from the page:
"The Sky's the Limit" is described as a game of aircraft trading and management. It was published by BAE Systems, the British aerospace and defense company, as a promotional product.

The aim of the game is to travel from your starting city, purchase at least one aircraft from the bank whilst at a city in each continent, and then return to your starting city, making the most of all business opportunities en route. Along the way, you will encounter opportunities to improve you journey or your financial situation, or events that conspire against you.

An interesting extract from the rules: "The most trustworthy player is chosen as the banker. If a trustworthy player can't be agreed upon, the banker shall be the oldest player."

Me again -
We're all pretty untrustworthy, but we are old. Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the oldest one of all?

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/22/2015 6:52:41 PM

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Not me, I am (relatively) young at fifty-five.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/23/2015 3:39:51 AM

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Not me, I am (relatively) young at fifty-five.

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Feltan

I got you beat, but not by a comfortable margin I'm afraid.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/23/2015 3:55:21 AM

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Not me, I am (relatively) young at fifty-five.

Regards,
Feltan

Just want to make sure. I'm just a poor gorn and I'm asking if you're 55 earth years old or is that in kellikams?

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/23/2015 6:20:44 AM

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Been working on a new system here with tactical naval engagement system. So far doing pretty good, but don't have a opponent to test it. Still gotta get all those other miniatures and I get them from Panzerschiffe. When I got this game board War in the Pacific 2ed by DG, was very disappointed with the naval rules. So I decided to work something out on my own. Also gotta paint them, they all grey epoxy castings, and they are all 1/2400 scale.

I even made maps through out the Pacific, having them blown up so you can see up close, so this would be suitable to play on Tactical levels like Squad Leader. Transporting stuffs as well resources through out the Pacific can be interesting, so you can build infrastructures on any islands you want.

I am hoping having this project done sometime next year and not sure how I can have this published.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/23/2015 3:47:49 PM

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Not me, I am (relatively) young at fifty-five.

Regards,
Feltan

Just want to make sure. I'm just a poor gorn and I'm asking if you're 55 earth years old or is that in kellikams?

It is all relative considering the space/time continuum. I am at a point where my offspring are happily bankrupting me seeking higher education -- that should be a universal measure across the universe.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/23/2015 10:39:06 PM

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I feel sorry for you

I made mine pay their own way. Not that has made much difference with what happened with the US economy

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/28/2015 12:26:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

In the early 70 my older brother used to play some kind of naval wargame with miniatures. Must have been scenarios as they only took an afternoon. They rented out the HS gym and used the whole basketball court. I thought it was about the geekiest thing I had ever heard of in my life. Girls were far more interesting.

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ORIGINAL: dave sindel

Moose, I think that game was called "Seapower". Made for use wih 1/1200 scale ships. Somewhere in the garage I still have a bunch of those ships in a box. They were made by a company in Virginia called "ALNAVCO". I think they marketed the game as well.

Another contender is Battle Stations!. This doesn't use dice but a slide rule to do gunnery calculations and ship list is calculated from flooding compartments in a diagram of the ships internal structure... (draw you own conclusions regarding complexity from that!!! )

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/18596/battlestations

It's designed for scales of 1:1200 to 1:19200 but with the 16"/50 1936m7 gun (Iowa, Montana class) having a maximum range on 42,345 yards (which equates to 35 yards at 1:2400 scale), you still have a game with a HUGE playing area!!!

It was computerised in a game called Action Stations by a company called Raw Entertainment which took all the calculations off the player and added an element of "Fog of War". However, the IBM-PC DOS/keyboard user interface was terrible and I believe the only version worth playing was the Amiga version which used that machines GUI user interface. (You can still find it on abandon-ware sites).

A comprehensive range 1:2400 waterline ship models are still available from GHQ Models

The floor version was Battle Stations? I remember playing that at one of the early Origins conventions in the late 1970's - Zimm was there. And for what the graphics were in those days - I didn't find Action Stations that bad. Considering what RADAR looked like at that time (you looked at this little round scope, with something to protect your night vision if it were dark out. That and learning the art of writing backwards with grease pencils in Combat as your display. My ships were 1960's models, I never saw a modern CIC.

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/29/2015 4:58:18 AM

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Most complex game ever devised is called US Senate.

Which is also the worst joke ever concocted...with hot air, posturing and BS aplenty...

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RE: OT: Found on ebay.... - 9/29/2015 5:53:30 AM

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Hans Bolter, et al,

I actually own(ed) a copy of the Westinghouse Logistics game. Mom came across it at a garage sale when I was in college and she picked it up for a couple dollars. I never played it as I was into Squad Leader at the time. That was thirty-plus years ago.

Not sure if the game was one of the victims of my storage unit's leaky roof though. I will check and see if I still have it.

BTW Hans, I grew up in St. Pete. I miss the Florida beaches...

T Rav

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