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USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/18/2015 9:42:04 PM   
elxaime

 

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Status: offline 		I was reading about arsenal ships and thought I would ask if the game models the USS Zumwalt and how does it perform in the scenarios it is in?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Zumwalt

With Captain James Kirk as CO of the USS Zumwalt, someone needs to create a 1 v. 1 scenario pitting the Zumwalt against an Atago-class guided missile destroyer named the Kobiyashi Maru.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atago-class_destroyer
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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/18/2015 10:33:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Zumwalt-class is in the game database.

I haven't actually played a scenario that uses it, but judging from the database entry, it seems.. capable.
In terms of sensors, you have the AN/SPY-3 radar which is top-notch, also a highly-modern FLIR/camera and a towed-array sonar.
For weaponry, a 40-cell Peripheral VLS with the usual missiles (Tomahawk, ESSM, SM-3, ASROC), two 155mm guns with long-range, guided ammunition, two 30mm autocannons and torpedo tubes.
On top of that, you have Stealth, a helo, and a 35kn top speed.

Seems pretty powerful to me!

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/19/2015 12:49:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		And if I can make a suggestion for that scenario: it should involve the Zumwalt defending the Kobayashi Maru against waves of Klingon warbir... I mean, Chinese planes. Or ships.

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/19/2015 1:18:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		heh, a guy who must remain nameless who works at BIW where the Zumwalt is being built says they are being more then conservative with publicly available top speed information. But, since I know that repeating it is probably just as bad, I will just leave it at 'conservative'....

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/19/2015 1:19:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Interestingly, until the Tomahawk MMT was announced (and it still hasn't yet been fielded) the Zumwalt didn't have an ASM capability. It did have some limited ASuW capability with it's auto cannons, Standard SAM's and the helicopter, but wasn't going to do much against anything bigger than a Boghammer. The Tomahawks are effective against large ships, but are overkill for most of the ships the DDG 100 might have to face off against. Now, if she is equipped with a VLS-capable LRASM, she becomes a real beast.

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/19/2015 8:46:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		According to http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Ship-Missiles/LRASM-A_a002407001.aspx , the LRASM is planned to be launchable from the Mk41 VLS, though apparently phase 1 only includes air launch.

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/19/2015 1:24:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup Phase 1 is Air Launched LRASM, Phase 2 will be a actual competition between different manufacturers for a Harpoon replacement. 2024 is the planned field date of the winner.

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/19/2015 1:34:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I messed with the Zumwalt in the database a few months ago, and the lack of ASuW capability was noticeable.

Two questions:
1) I know the AGS 155mm is completely different than the NATO standard 155mm used on land, but 155mm ballistics are pretty well understood at this point. In the case of a major conflict how long would it realistically take to adapt/develop/integrate a non-guided (pure ballistic) round for the AGS?
2) In spite of a ballistic round not being on the horizon, is that something that could be added to the database, on the assumption that the Navy would initiate a crash program if hostilities really started to look likely?

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/19/2015 6:24:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Technically, it could be done fairly quickly, if necessity demanded it. That said, for a purely (or even rocket-assisted/base bleed) ballistic round for the AGS, it would obviously require a completely new shell that is 62 caliber in length, as opposed to the 155/45's used in most howitzers.

I'd like to know what could be done to adapt the 155/62 LRAP with an IIR seeker for anti-ship warfare. That could be a real game-changer against many targets smaller than a DDG. It would be hard to shoot down a number of those rounds, and their warheads could do real damage to most vessels topside electronics and bridge. I suppose a 50 kilo rocket-assisted round going off in the guts of a ship would do some real damage as well.

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/19/2015 6:54:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		They have a Zimwalt class DDG in the scenario named… Play the fool… And assault in the South China Sea… A Scenario which I enjoy quite a bit and have played more than once…

If you play an editor mode… You can replace one of the DDG's with a Zimwalt … Which I do sometimes…

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/19/2015 10:11:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		The AGS turrets on the DDG 1000 are designed to accommodate an unguided projectile trajectory for ASuW work. BAe hasn't developed the round yet, so that capability is kinda moot.

The Zumwalt in game is an interesting unit - it dominates littoral operations where it can use the AGS. It's AAW capabilities have been somewhat neutered by the fact that in the current DB revision it can't carry SM-6s (I've posted in the DB thread with a source counter to this, don't think the change happened). It's somewhat less effective in the long-range strike role, since Burkes carry almost as many TLAMs in the strike loadout while preserving a broader AAW capability. I haven't really found use for it's stealth characteristics yet, since it almost always needs a Burke with it to cover the long range AAW regime.

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/19/2015 10:13:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gneckes

And if I can make a suggestion for that scenario: it should involve the Zumwalt defending the Kobayashi Maru against waves of Klingon warbir... I mean, Chinese planes. Or ships.

Somewhere in a box I have a blueprint book on the B'rel-Class. Probably got enough info in it for a DB request...

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/20/2015 1:36:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ExNusquam

The AGS turrets on the DDG 1000 are designed to accommodate an unguided projectile trajectory for ASuW work. BAe hasn't developed the round yet, so that capability is kinda moot.

The Zumwalt in game is an interesting unit - it dominates littoral operations where it can use the AGS. It's AAW capabilities have been somewhat neutered by the fact that in the current DB revision it can't carry SM-6s (I've posted in the DB thread with a source counter to this, don't think the change happened). It's somewhat less effective in the long-range strike role, since Burkes carry almost as many TLAMs in the strike loadout while preserving a broader AAW capability. I haven't really found use for it's stealth characteristics yet, since it almost always needs a Burke with it to cover the long range AAW regime.


You can use the editor to put SM-6 missiles on Zumwalts it has the required sensors and there is a weapon record for 16/40 for SM-6 since Zumwalt is only 40 mount I know in DB this must be meant for Zumwalt. I also throw in some LRASM and MMT to add some punch to this platform.

Only issue you lose 16 weapon slots from Burke to Zumwalts (96 vs 80)

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/20/2015 3:35:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel

Technically, it could be done fairly quickly, if necessity demanded it. That said, for a purely (or even rocket-assisted/base bleed) ballistic round for the AGS, it would obviously require a completely new shell that is 62 caliber in length, as opposed to the 155/45's used in most howitzers.

I'd like to know what could be done to adapt the 155/62 LRAP with an IIR seeker for anti-ship warfare. That could be a real game-changer against many targets smaller than a DDG. It would be hard to shoot down a number of those rounds, and their warheads could do real damage to most vessels topside electronics and bridge. I suppose a 50 kilo rocket-assisted round going off in the guts of a ship would do some real damage as well.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "62" or "45" are barrel length, not shell length, right?

That said, yeah, the shell design for the two is different. Adding an IIR sensor shouldn't be too difficult, but still has the same basic problem as all PGMs.... In a high intensity conflict, everyone runs out of precision ammo before they run out of targets. I was thinking more along the lines of "take out the electronics and gadgets, put in more stuff that goes bang." :-)

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/20/2015 3:45:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are right. That said, the length of the LRLAP is significantly longer than a standard 155mm/45 projectile.

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/20/2015 5:55:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel

You are right. That said, the length of the LRLAP is significantly longer than a standard 155mm/45 projectile.


Yep... And probably depends on the guidance just for basic stability. I'm sure the rifling (twists per foot, or however that's measured) is completely different than this various NATO standard land based guns, so it wouldn't be a simple case of tweaking one shell or the other 'just a little bit' to make it work as an AGS ballistic shell.


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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/21/2015 12:25:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is it confirmed that the DDGs-1000 FCR can handle SM-2/3/6 missiles or does the ships FCR can only guide ESSM and is just a missile truck for SM missiles and the guidence has to be done by Ticos and Burkes?

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/21/2015 8:46:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ExNusquam

The AGS turrets on the DDG 1000 are designed to accommodate an unguided projectile trajectory for ASuW work. BAe hasn't developed the round yet, so that capability is kinda moot.

The Zumwalt in game is an interesting unit - it dominates littoral operations where it can use the AGS. It's AAW capabilities have been somewhat neutered by the fact that in the current DB revision it can't carry SM-6s (I've posted in the DB thread with a source counter to this, don't think the change happened). It's somewhat less effective in the long-range strike role, since Burkes carry almost as many TLAMs in the strike loadout while preserving a broader AAW capability. I haven't really found use for it's stealth characteristics yet, since it almost always needs a Burke with it to cover the long range AAW regime.


I've noticed this..... It seems like there would be more SAM loads available for it…

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/22/2015 12:18:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Last I heard, Zumwalt can't fire off Standard Missiles due to some software or hardware limitations plus its not a Aegis system. I don't know if its because SPY4 was removed or just current limitations, but It can fit the weapons, and it has the base radar capability, but there is something that limits area air defense. So for now ESSM is its Air Defense Missile, which is point defense. Though it is believed it could be modified somewhat easily for Standard Missiles. We shall see what happens in a few year.

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RE: USS Zumwalt DDG-1000 - 10/22/2015 1:07:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's an unreleased forgotten scenario that I did long ago with Zumwalt class DDG here.

As I currently don't have any Windows machine available to run CMANO, if someone of you guys has some time to rebuild it & release the scen, feel free to go ahead. It's finished as it is I think.

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