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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 5/28/2017 5:59:05 PM   
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ps. I know some people are offended by smoking monkeys, but it actually reflects my Friday happy hour look nicely.
pss. I'm a lot older the simian.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 5/28/2017 6:09:10 PM   
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I have to depart to defend a fair number of quarters on the links. Sorry for my "densitude", still can't figure out what one can't do with this HR. I am very curious, just finishing 1575 turns of AE with a Dane whom had the better of me and graciously obliged to a CG of WITE. By the way, a very nice AAR Silly, easy to follow with some nice tidbits on S&T.

ps. I know some people are offended by smoking monkeys, but it actually reflects my Friday happy hour look nicely.
pss. I'm a lot older the simian.



"No monkeys were actually harmed making this Avitar" ;)

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 5/29/2017 9:13:08 PM   
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I don't get the 1:1 to 2:1 reasoning???

ps. Does this deny "soak offs"?


I will not nor am I speaking for Sillyflower .. but WITE is started pretty wacky in calculating casualties that will only really be fixed in WITE 2.0. This rule certainly limits exploiting multiple attacks with a sole purpose of takening advantage of attrition. I await Sillyflower's thoughts.



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I may be misunderstanding something, but the 'no 1 to 1 to 2:1' option only affects some the combat results as determined by the computer during the early months of the game -see the manual. It does not stop anyone making any attacks. Brian is an afficionado of soak off attacks but IMHO it has done him more harm than good over the course of the game due to the morale effect on both sides.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 5/29/2017 9:15:52 PM   
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you only have to look into its eyes to see the classic 'stoner' look


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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/1/2017 7:34:33 PM   
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I don't get the 1:1 to 2:1 reasoning???

ps. Does this deny "soak offs"?


I will not nor am I speaking for Sillyflower .. but WITE is started pretty wacky in calculating casualties that will only really be fixed in WITE 2.0. This rule certainly limits exploiting multiple attacks with a sole purpose of takening advantage of attrition. I await Sillyflower's thoughts.



(Note: Sillyflower beat me to it in the post above)



I may be misunderstanding something, but the 'no 1 to 1 to 2:1' option only affects some the combat results as determined by the computer during the early months of the game -see the manual. It does not stop anyone making any attacks. Brian is an afficionado of soak off attacks but IMHO it has done him more harm than good over the course of the game due to the morale effect on both sides.


Thanks for clarifying this
There is the algorithm with 2:1 attacks that become a "recon in force" with less casualties and increase detection of the defender if an initiative roll is passed .. I wonder if that is affected

I do understand that true "soak off's" are really not applicable since ZOC does not obligate the attacker to attack. When AH advertised "You are the German High Command ..." I did wonder if in WWII Model was calculating "Ok that inf division can soak off 1-6 so those 6 armor divisions can get 2 3-1's ..."


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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/2/2017 10:03:15 AM   
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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/2/2017 10:38:46 AM   
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The russian hordes can wait for a week or two

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/2/2017 1:02:01 PM   
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engage the soviet communism, socialism and stalinism with german infantry, artillery and tanks.:)

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/12/2017 9:35:28 PM   
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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/13/2017 8:58:52 PM   
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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/13/2017 10:29:09 PM   
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what the hell happened to your eye silly?:)


Since that uniform indicates he is a member of the SA, I assume he got that in a street brawl with a communist sympathizer.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/14/2017 12:49:41 PM   
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Isn't that slightly "feminine" for the SA?

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/15/2017 8:03:27 PM   
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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/15/2017 8:40:57 PM   
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The real SF is my wife ... she's still perfect.


Having met the real Sillyflower recently, I confirm.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/15/2017 9:07:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Better watch out Brian, the Silly-str only roles out the big guns for special occasions.

And for the frivolous types, you may be pleased to recall the imbroglio over loosing the "Big Four" cities in '41, M/L/V/R, curiously now game three and only L gone, and the Red oob very similar to games one and two (all lost), t50/55 ish or so.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/18/2017 8:39:34 PM   
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The real SF is my wife ... she's still perfect.


Having met the real Sillyflower recently, I confirm.



You are an exemplar of the french gentleman, Stef.

On lower dosage of meds so I tried doing a turn vs another opponent, but did some silly things including bad mis-clicks, so this game on hold for a few more days.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/21/2017 10:17:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Seem to have recovered and only remaining problem is sleep deprivation as we are spending alternate nights with a dog recovering from surgery. He's fine but we have to stop him doing anything silly. Have just done my T122 and only on the final final check did I notice that i had left a large hole after moving some units away

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/21/2017 10:21:24 AM   
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losses 9.8 to 25.4K; air 31 to 474 but that's all I wrote down and I can't remember anything else though I did take this picture for some reason






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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/21/2017 10:21:36 AM   
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Seem to have recovered and only remaining problem is sleep deprivation as we are spending alternate nights with a dog recovering from surgery. He's fine but we have to stop him doing anything silly. Have just done my T122 and only on the final final check did I notice that i had left a large hole after moving some units away


"We have left a hole in the lines to lure enemy units in so that they can be trapped and assimilated into our growing HiWi helpers"
Very smart of you

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 6/29/2017 4:07:32 PM   
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Losses not recorded for some reason.

A bit of line readjustment as I expect the sniveling Brianites to take advantage of this turn being the last clear one for 4 weeks, to leap forward in a way they have not done earlier.





The circled airbases are the ones which would not fly - until Morvael explained in the tech forum that the fault was mine not the game's.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 7/2/2017 7:37:29 AM   
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The cowardly and gamey Bolsheviks took advantage of the last clear turn to leap forward knowing that I could not retaliate. Breakthroughs north of Moscow required wins in combats all starting at less than 1:1. At least that's how I remember it, and I can't check by looking at Brian's AAR.

Still, even with the Brianites going on the offensive losses were only 13.7 to 31.7K. The LW played a blinder, losing only 15 a/c (8 recce) whilst the Reds lost 445.

I block the holes




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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 7/2/2017 7:41:22 AM   
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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 7/5/2017 8:36:54 PM   
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The cowardly and gamey Bolsheviks took advantage of the last clear turn to leap forward knowing that I could not retaliate.


EDITOR'S NOTE: It is only fair, as the editor of SF's memoirs, to point out that he uses the same tactic when playing the Soviets, but only in a clever and masterful way.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 7/8/2017 8:00:13 PM   
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Still mud so not any real action apart from Brian doing weak attacks vs the isokated pz xx. losses for whole turn 9.8K to 31.3. Air 0 to 127.
Wehrmacht only 60K below max TOE. I assume that max TOE is with all units @ 100% TOE. Does any reader know? G now have 235K men and 600K arms awaiting the call for action.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 7/11/2017 8:06:32 PM   
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More action-free mud.Losses 10.2 to 34.3K. Air 5 to 134. Total axis reserves now 612K men and 878K arms pts.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 7/13/2017 9:47:53 PM   
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The last of the mud before the roller-coaster of the Brianites' winter O start. I have just finishing Glantz's book on Operation Mars aka Zhukov's greatest defeat which took place at the same time as the Russian offensive @ Stalingrad, so I'm in the right frame of mind: not that I expect the battle for Rzhev to start this winter in our game. I also recommend 'The Rzhev Slaughterhouse' by Svetlana Gerasimova which puts Mars into the proper context of a 15 month struggle rather than a stand alone operation which is how Glantz saw it.

Losses 9.9K to 36.3K and air 5 to 86 as I supply the surrounded troops and move up the last of the rescue forces.




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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 7/15/2017 12:33:04 PM   
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As predicted by AppendixSE, the Supreme Leader (actually it was me not Mrs M as she has no interest in either war or games) decided that the plan to rescue the trapped divs should become the plan to reinforce them and to turn the tables on the over-ambitious Brianites. The highlighted combat produced an extraordinary result. G attacks on R units should normally produce higher G losses than R (and vice versa), even if the defender has to retreat through a ZOC. The overall losses here look more like what I would have expected in the summer of '41. I can't recall ever seeing such a result in or after '42 in my own games or in an AAR. Still, I can't complain .

All is quiet elsewhere, though the landsers prepare for the Bolsheviks to make a nuisance of themselves.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 7/16/2017 2:17:03 PM   
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The 2 reinforcement divs, LAH and 2nd FJ, head to Moscow area to try to ensure that front remains static.

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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 7/19/2017 12:51:04 PM   
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The Bolsheviks open the pocket, and I promptly shut it again.




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RE: SILLY's SWANSONG NO BRIAN G - 7/19/2017 2:27:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was wondering about the 6 routed Tank XXX, why did you chose to rout them? Is is a case of biting off more than you can chew? I thought pocketing Russia's armoured forces is a priority at this point of the war.

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