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OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/1/2016 4:19:10 PM

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As a new year's day treat here's a shot I took from a Christmas visit to a museum in Canada. I was fascinated by the bomb bay depicted here as I had previously only seen bomb bays showing crew compartments open to the bomb bay.
As a reward I'll post a more recognizable shot of this "young lady" after its correctly guessed. Built in Canada this gal didn't fly in the war but many of her sisters did in the Indian theatre.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/1/2016 4:47:12 PM

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A Bristol Bolingbroke?

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/1/2016 4:47:40 PM

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Looks like a folding wing on the left and three depth charge bombs in the bay, so I am guessing a version of the TBM Avenger, perhaps with a different engine from the US standard one.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/1/2016 4:51:34 PM

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AFAIK, Avengers were not built in Canada

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/1/2016 5:26:42 PM

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Nope, not a Bolingbroke.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/1/2016 6:38:15 PM

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Perhaps a Barracuda then?

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/1/2016 6:57:29 PM

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That Fairly thingy?

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/1/2016 7:15:16 PM

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Yes, the Fairey Barracuda. It's carrier based and British, so it could have been used by the CVEs and CVLs that Canada operated. For that matter Canada had Corsairs * on some of its CVLs so there is a case to be made for US aircraft such as the Avenger being in a Canadian Museum.

* IIRC Robert Hampton Gray was flying the Corsair when he won the VC sinking a Japanese DD in port just before Japan surrendered.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/1/2016 7:40:31 PM

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Not sure about the Barracuda being flown by Canada but they did have a Swordfish.
FYI those "depth charges" are 500 pounders.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/1/2016 8:49:58 PM

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Lancaster X.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 12:15:59 AM

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That's a much bigger bomb bay than anything ever operated from a carrier. I agree with JeffK, I think it's a Canadian built Lancaster. The Lanc had a long, shallow bomb bay like that.

It's possible it's a Wellington too. That also had a long, shallow bomb bay.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 12:24:13 AM

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For the win its a Lanc. X.
This elegant gal didn't see action but is dressed in the wartime colours of RCAF #428 Squadron.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 12:36:56 AM

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Looks like a Bf-109F or early G to the left. I thought first it was a Bf-108, it looks a little wider than a 109, but it has the wingtips of a 109F or later.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 12:48:31 AM

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Bill, I'm beginning to think you are a curator at the Imperial War Museum.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 12:59:28 AM

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quote:

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Looks like a Bf-109F or early G to the left. I thought first it was a Bf-108, it looks a little wider than a 109, but it has the wingtips of a 109F or later.

Bill

bf109F-4/Trop

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_Aviation_and_Space_Museum

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 1:20:10 AM

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Bill, I'm beginning to think you are a curator at the Imperial War Museum.

I've always been an aircraft geek, I have embarrassed docents at air museums.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 2:38:31 AM

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Museum in Ottawa??....in reply to Dazoline

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 3:22:34 AM

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Looks like a Bf-109F or early G to the left. I thought first it was a Bf-108, it looks a little wider than a 109, but it has the wingtips of a 109F or later.

Bill

I'm sure you are right. I was thinking an FW-190 but the stabilizers are clearly too wide for that.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 7:53:07 AM

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Really nice pictures. Thank you, dazoline II, for sharing.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 8:07:48 AM

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Looks like a Bf-109F or early G to the left. I thought first it was a Bf-108, it looks a little wider than a 109, but it has the wingtips of a 109F or later.

Bill

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I'm sure you are right. I was thinking an FW-190 but the stabilizers are clearly too wide for that.

The tail and wing are totally different shapes than for a 190. It's definitely a Messerschmitt product.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 10:54:50 AM

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Yep, Air and Space Museum in Ottawa.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 3:09:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: dazoline II

Not sure about the Barracuda being flown by Canada but they did have a Swordfish.
FYI those "depth charges" are 500 pounders.

Never saw bombs with a flat front end before, so I thought they must be d/c's.
On the ID of the plane, the Lancaster was my first thought from the long bomb bay but then I thought I saw a folded wing on the left of the picture and d/c's in the bay so I thought the bomb bay length was distorted by fisheye lens or something. Don't know enough about Lancs to ID individual marks, but I did have the pleasure of visiting one of the only two flying Lancasters when it passed through Edmonton years ago. I was surprised by how small it was compared to a C-130.
Amazing to think it -specially modified versions - could lift a 22,000 lb Grand Slam bomb!
The Lanc was also the British equivalent of the B-17 for ruggedness.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 7:40:44 PM

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Never saw bombs with a flat front end before, so I thought they must be d/c's.

Its the lighting in the pic. The bombs have a tapered nose but it's obscured by the shadows. The exact same bomb is piled in a stack facing toward the nose of the plane in the second Lanc. pic. Next to that woman's right elbow.

The Tall Boy / Grand Slam is exactly what I thought about when I saw the length of the bomb bay.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 8:16:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: dazoline II

As a new year's day treat here's a shot I took from a Christmas visit to a museum in Canada. I was fascinated by the bomb bay depicted here as I had previously only seen bomb bays showing crew compartments open to the bomb bay.
As a reward I'll post a more recognizable shot of this "young lady" after its correctly guessed. Built in Canada this gal didn't fly in the war but many of her sisters did in the Indian theatre.

I'm not that familiar with RAF ops in the Far East - Lancasters flew in India?

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 9:30:56 PM

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No Lancs in India, that threw me for a bit. I'm not sure if the RAF TIGER FORCE got as far as India??

Memory has it that the Chinese got some

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 11:13:39 PM

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No Lancs in India, that threw me for a bit. I'm not sure if the RAF TIGER FORCE got as far as India??

Memory has it that the Chinese got some

After the war the British had to put down a Communist insurrection in Malaya. I wonder if they used the Lancasters there.
One of my cousins fought there and said that to defeat the guerillas they had to "burn the jungle".

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/2/2016 11:44:18 PM

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I know the RAAF used Lincolns in Malaya.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/3/2016 1:56:27 AM

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I know the RAAF used Lincolns in Malaya.

Linc/Lanc - what's a vowel between friends ....

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/3/2016 7:14:28 AM

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I know the RAAF used Lincolns in Malaya.

Linc/Lanc - what's a vowel between friends ....

I'd say about 150 miles.

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RE: OT: What Is This? 2016 - 1/3/2016 2:23:11 PM

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I did mean Lancasters.
Mea Culpa for not looking up my statement before writing it down.
I could have sworn Lancasters did fly in India during the war. I stand corrected.

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