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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 1:05:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks to be Carolina Chickadees. Kinglets are my most rare sighting this winter.

Pileated Woodpeckers are common, the challenge when seeing one is seeing it's wingman.

Ive had a "few" sightings of cuckoo birds. Looking out the window and it flew out of the woods to the wood line, perched for a few seconds then flew back into the woods. Just like a cuckoo clock. I like the buckskin tan color.

I bird watched with Eugene Sledge during his last years of teaching. He was good at finding feathers on the ground. Sometimes I asked "Did you plant that?"

Before, during and after fronts moving in are the best times to catch out of place birds. Sledgehammer saw a Artic Owl in middle Alabama, that came in with a cold front. It stayed around for a few days.

Kingfishers are most enjoyable to watch.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 1:11:34 PM   
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It is possible to distinguish between a Carolina chickadee and a black-capped chickadee, both by appearance and voice. But a birdwatcher has to be very experienced to do so. Otherwise it's like asking a high school German student to distinguish between a Bavarian accent and a Westphalian accent.

The ranges of the two don't really overlap except at high altitude. Here in NW Georgia we have only the Carolina chickadee. The same would be true in Alabama and the western 3/4ths of Tennessee.

It's been a weirdly warm winter in much of the eastern US, so birds may be out of the usual location at the moment. It's unlikely you'd have a Baltimore oriole this early (they're among the later migrants), but not impossible. But orioles have a whistling or caroling-type song that somewhat resembles an American robin, so that's a possibility.


I'm well familiar with robin song. They start their territorial singing around 3 a.m. I've got some video with sound of one singing on my fence at night. That particular song they sing before dawn reminds me of an episode of Star Trek that had Mark Lenard playing a Romulan. There was a pursuit going on and a lot of silent submarine like stretches on the bridge of the Enterprise. In the background there was this sound that was supposed to represent the equivalent of sonar and it sounded just like my robin's song. I bet anything that robin song was the inspiration for it.

About those German accents, when I took it in high school I was taught to speak it in the northern or Prussian way, and to annunciate very clearly. The ch in Ich I pronounce like a gargled k. In Bavaria it's "Ish". Someone I knew took a trip down south and the people in Stuttgart (which I pronounce as Shhtoootgart!) were pronouncing it "Stugger".

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 1:34:13 PM   
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They start their territorial singing around 3 a.m. I've got some video with sound of one singing on my fence at night.


Don't think Ive heard one sing at night, if I have I thought it was a Mockingbird. Most familiar with them singing at night.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 2:01:06 PM   
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...Ive had a "few" sightings of cuckoo birds. Looking out the window and it flew out of the woods to the wood line, perched for a few seconds then flew back into the woods. Just like a cuckoo clock. I like the buckskin tan color....

...Sledgehammer saw a Artic Owl in middle Alabama, that came in with a cold front. It stayed around for a few days.
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Cuckooks won't arrive until mid to late April. You may have seen a brown thrasher. Whatever it was, it wasn't yellow-billed cuckoo or a black-billed cuckoo.

Sledge probably saw a snowy owl. They are exceedingly rare but not unknown in the Deep South. There is one mounted and displayed at the Arrowhead Wildlife Research Center near Rome, Georgia, that was recovered somewhere close by - maybe near Lafayette, Walker County, GA. I think it was road kill.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 2:02:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Robins might sing at night under a full moon in April. They wouldn't in February in Missouri.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 2:22:37 PM   
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Sledge probably saw a snowy owl.


probably so, from memory I used Artic/Snowy as common.


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Cuckooks won't arrive until mid to late April. You may have seen a brown thrasher. Whatever it was, it wasn't yellow-billed cuckoo or a black-billed cuckoo.


I know the difference, saw that one in the summer. The other time I saw a cuckoo was when I brought it home in the grill of my truck. When driving along the part of the road lined with cedars I have to slow down and dodge the brown thrashers.

cuckoos here have more of a tan color than what Ive seen in most pics.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 3:00:13 PM   
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Robins might sing at night under a full moon in April. They wouldn't in February in Missouri.


No, not this time of year. Back when STL was in growing zone 5 (Climate change has moved us south to zone 6) the robins would leave for the winter. Now they're here year round. It's during mating season they sing at night. Around here you can hear dozens of them, a cacophony in the wee hours of the morning. If I leave the window open it can wake me up. If anyone wants the video, send me an email. When it was zone 5 here I used to be able to grow huge tomatoes. I've given up on that, they just wilt in the heat. Starting in June a year or two ago we had six straight weeks when every single day the thermometer broke 100 degrees with plenty of humidity. I even tried watering them with water from my fridge, it did no good. Peppers do fine, but okra is never edible, they're like pieces of wood even when young.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 3:09:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Re: the chickadees, we have only the black-capped ones up here and their breast is a very light grey, like a dirty white colour. IIRC the other chickadees have a bit of buff colouring in the breast. The chickadees here are some of the boldest birds around. They will perch very close to you and if you offer a piece of bread they will snatch it from you fingers. Once they get to know you they will perch on your hand to take food.

The other very brave bird here is the grey-jay or whiskeyjack. When hiking a trail once we stopped for a snack and the jay suddenly appeared nearby. I held up a cookie and he came straight to my hand and helped himself. I guess hikers do this all the time so the bird becomes accustomed to humans. Too bad jays don't have a pleasant song that you could get them to sing for their supper!

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 3:33:39 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 3:41:27 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 3:42:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Never seen a chickadee up here with as much orange/buff as your book shows. Must be some sub-races depending on climate. The buff colour would be out of place in the northern woods in winter.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 3:47:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's not a book, it's here: https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Black-capped_Chickadee/id

If you go to the sound tab on both they don't sound different either. Some claim the Black-capped has more buzzes at the end of the call. Around here I hear "buzz buzz buzz buzz".

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 3:51:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Real photos of birds are poor identification aids. I know that's counter-intuitive, but it's true. Due to lighting and many other factors, photos are more confusing than helpful.

Artwork (drawings) are far preferable. So experienced birdwatchers use Sibley's Guide or similar publications, while the general public buys Audubon's guides or similar guides with photographs.

Experienced birdwatchers know the difference in appearance and song for the two chickadee species. Just like a mother can walk into a daycare center and immediately know the voice or the posture of her five year old, hidden amongst 50 other students.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 4:03:19 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 4:14:24 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 4:27:05 PM   
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From the Sibley's Guide website (I have a very, very tattered hard copy in the cab of my pickup truck):




I have a bunch of those. Hungry little buggers! Which one occurs in Arizona?

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 4:38:38 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 4:55:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is also the Blonde Capped Ample-Breasted Chickadee....




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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 5:04:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		"amble-breasted" or "ample-breasted"?

In the one case, the breasts have a disturbing habit of wandering around. In the other, they are fulsome in a winsome way.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 5:05:51 PM   
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Real photos of birds are poor identification aids. I know that's counter-intuitive, but it's true. Due to lighting and many other factors, photos are more confusing than helpful.

Artwork (drawings) are far preferable. So experienced birdwatchers use Sibley's Guide or similar publications, while the general public buys Audubon's guides or similar guides with photographs.

Experienced birdwatchers know the difference in appearance and song for the two chickadee species. Just like a mother can walk into a daycare center and immediately know the voice or the posture of her five year old, hidden amongst 50 other students.



Ive mainly used Peterson's. identification of birds is like with snakes, a lot of variations and sometimes you need the samples side by side for clarification.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 5:06:46 PM   
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"amble-breasted" or "ample-breasted"?

In the one case, the breasts have a disturbing habit of wandering around. In the other, they are fulsome in a winsome way.



Could be both. Ample would increase amble.


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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 5:18:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Although the Black-capped may be found in the far northern part of AZ, you would most likely see the Mountain, whose range is in purple here:




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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 5:19:45 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 5:51:41 PM   
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Although the Black-capped may be found in the far northern part of AZ, you would most likely see the Mountain, whose range is in purple here:




The Mountain Chickadee is exactly like the ones we see here. The range shown for them should extend further east.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 6:13:36 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 6:42:03 PM   
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The Mountain Chickadee is exactly like the ones we see here. The range shown for them should extend further east.


You're surrounded by flat farmland, but if they have those white eyebrows there's no doubt. Just to be sure, you're not seeing these are you?




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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 6:46:31 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 7:16:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Go here to listen to their songs. There are some similarities with the Chickadees. These sparrows are small but among the largest of sparrows. The Chickadees are tiny. The only thing smaller I see are hummingbirds.

You're smack dab in the middle of their (W-c sparrows) breeding range so they would be singing a lot.

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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 7:46:55 PM   
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RE: OT Things to ponder - 2/27/2017 7:55:57 PM   
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1. Web-footed booby
2. Yellow-breasted chat
3. Yellow-rumped warbler (called "butter-butts" by birdwatchers)
4. Tufted titmouse

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