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- 7/25/2003 1:05:50 PM   
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[B]hmmmm in a word....AMSTERDAM:rolleyes:

Good Idea! :rolleyes:

Huh? You use one small part, of one medium sized city, in one tiny country, to justify denying her access to an entire continent?? Jess, by that reasoning you have to move to Antarctica, since, heaven forbid, she should live on the same continent as Las Vegas...or Reno...or LA...or NY. :confused: :rolleyes:

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Damm Kat Driver:mad: [/B][/QUOTE]

Not true...I've beaten you as the Japanese too. :)

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- 7/25/2003 1:42:08 PM   
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[B]...Not true...I've beaten you as the Japanese too. :) [/B][/QUOTE]


:D :p :D :p

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- 7/25/2003 5:18:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		So what is it now? France, Belgium or Holland?

My personal favourite would be visiting Bastogne and then with a chartered Bus on the same route the XXX Corps took to Eindoven, Nijmegen and finally to Arnhem.
We surely shoud get a bit further than the XXX Corps did.;)

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- 7/25/2003 6:38:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tracing the XXX corps is a great idea. :)

Holland is fine with me. Depending on how much time we allot for this, there might be room for a detour to the Normandy beaches as well? :p I mean, if I go half-way there, why not ALL the way? :D

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- 7/25/2003 6:46:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		While being at Lunch another idea crossed my mind (I get my best ideas while eating :) ). In September 2004 it's the 60th anniversary of Market Garden. I don't know if there are any festivities or reenactments held in that area, but maybe Cyricist can check that?

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- 7/25/2003 6:52:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Belisarius
[B]Tracing the XXX corps is a great idea. :)

Holland is fine with me. Depending on how much time we allot for this, there might be room for a detour to the Normandy beaches as well? :p I mean, if I go half-way there, why not ALL the way? :D [/B][/QUOTE]

If it was just me, I would go all the way from Bastogne via Arnhem and Normandy to Saumur, but maybe we should first find a timeframe.
For me 3 or 4 days (over a weekend) would be OK, but I am one of those with much time :rolleyes:.
And then we could see what would fit in that timeframe, also financially.

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- 7/25/2003 7:50:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cyrisist, you'll have to check up on what Losqualo said. :p

Depending on what time of year, anything from a weekend to a week or more is ok. And depending on if I study or not. Studies tend to allow for longer breaks. :D

Any other people having ideas?

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- 7/25/2003 8:20:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		The xxx corps tour gets my vote. If we can combine it somehow with MG's 60th anniversary, that would be perfect. Would require at least a week, but it would make for a nice holiday.

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- 7/25/2003 9:06:12 PM   
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[B]The xxx corps tour gets my vote. If we can combine it somehow with MG's 60th anniversary, that would be perfect. Would require at least a week, but it would make for a nice holiday. [/B][/QUOTE]

Absolutely. :) It'd be nice also to allow for some time at each location and not just rush it from place to place. I wouldn't want to miss out on the local restaurants and bars either. :p

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- 7/25/2003 9:58:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Losqualo
[B]While being at Lunch another idea crossed my mind (I get my best ideas while eating :) ). In September 2004 it's the 60th anniversary of Market Garden. I don't know if there are any festivities or reenactments held in that area, but maybe Cyricist can check that? [/B][/QUOTE]

Can do. AS well as travel agencies and good pricing. I can pull a few strings here and there (my best friend studies/works in the tourist industry). I think knowing our country as being very remembrance orientated there may be some kind of organisation planned for the aniversary.. I will keep an eye on things in that respect.

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- 7/26/2003 6:30:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow. Following the path of XXX Corps at the 60th anniversary of Market Garden would even interest some of our american friends, wouldn't it?

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- 7/26/2003 1:57:00 PM   
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[B]Wow. Following the path of XXX Corps at the 60th anniversary of Market Garden would even interest some of our american friends, wouldn't it? [/B][/QUOTE]

Interest? Yes...

Enable? That's up to the folks at Visa or Master Card :)

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- 7/28/2003 12:56:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by M4 Jess
[B]hmmmm in a word....AMSTERDAM:rolleyes:

Good Idea! :rolleyes:

Damm Kat Driver:mad: [/B][/QUOTE]

I just noticed this post :eek: ...

Jess.. Holland is a very SAFE country for teenagers.. and Amsterdam does not [I]automatically[/I] equal weeklong knockouts on dope. And on the trail of XXX Corps, you'd be FAAAAAAAAR away from Amsterdam I assure you. And if Jen wants to come along, you could GUIDE her during a possible visit to Amsterdam, right? Nothing wrong there I'd figure. Heck I could show you guys around Amsterdam as well, skipping the coffeeshops (which you can find in any major town here and it really sin't that big of a deal!) alltogether.

Really, it's quite safe here for kids, I promise :D

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- 8/2/2003 2:42:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		would be interested, too.

normandy is not sooo important for me because i have visited already the most places there.

the germans could meet in koblenz btw. where is the "wehrtechnische studiensammlung" from there to the ardennes area it´s not that far away.

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- 8/2/2003 7:28:50 AM   
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[B]the germans could meet in koblenz btw. where is the "wehrtechnische studiensammlung" from there to the ardennes area it´s not that far away. [/B][/QUOTE]

Hey, are us Norsemen welcome as well? :p I mean if we're to travel to the Ardennes anyway, Koblenz is pretty much [I]en route[/I], right? ;)

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- 8/2/2003 7:50:58 AM   
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[B]Hey, are us Norsemen welcome as well? :p I mean if we're to travel to the Ardennes anyway, Koblenz is pretty much [I]en route[/I], right? ;) [/B][/QUOTE]

Bel: Sure!

It's a good idea to visit the WS in Koblenz, that was one of my goals anyways. Do they still have the Sturmtiger?

So let's meet there, visit Bastogne and then follow the route of XXX. Corps on the 60. anniversary.

Oh my, what a trip!

The next bigger Airport to Koblenz is in Frankfurt, wich lies on my route to Koblenz, so I could pick up max. 3 guys in Frankfurt.

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- 8/2/2003 8:06:49 AM   
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[B]The next bigger Airport to Koblenz is in Frankfurt, wich lies on my route to Koblenz, so I could pick up max. 3 guys in Frankfurt. [/B][/QUOTE]

Cool! :D Frankfurt is one of the hubs with service to Gothenburg/Landvetter, so that'd be an easy trip! :)

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- 8/2/2003 5:57:01 PM   
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[B]Cool! :D Frankfurt is one of the hubs with service to Gothenburg/Landvetter, so that'd be an easy trip! :) [/B][/QUOTE]

A seat in the front is reserved for you. :)

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- 8/2/2003 7:44:57 PM   
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It's a good idea to visit the WS in Koblenz, that was one of my goals anyways. Do they still have the Sturmtiger?
[/B][/QUOTE]

i have seen the sturmtiger already:

[url]www.alpha-q.de/munster/munster.htm[/url]

i think in koblenz there is no 2nd sturmtiger :(

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- 8/4/2003 1:43:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Uh guys? When you start planning things, keep an eye on the season, traffic jams in Western Europe are something to behold if your timing is off. That small trip from Arnhem to Normandy could take a lot longer then anticipated.

For what it's worth, I did the Airborne Museum in Arnhem, then to luxembourg and followed a part of KG Peipper (sp?) route to end in Bastogne and did some touring through the Bulge .

Definitely an eye opener, especially if you do it in the winter.

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- 8/4/2003 5:35:33 AM   
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we should not do this trip in the hollidays time...

i have some more ideas for places to visit:

the hürtgenwald
fort eben emael
fort battice
and waterloo !

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- 8/4/2003 2:08:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Frank W.
[B]right.

we should not do this trip in the hollidays time...

i have some more ideas for places to visit:

the hürtgenwald
fort eben emael
fort battice
and waterloo ! [/B][/QUOTE]

Syncronization question; when is "holidays" for you? Our holiday weeks are usually July, but I know it's August for many Euros, right? (did you see this weekend's jams in France? 650 km!!! :eek: )

I suggest either early June or early September, if not these sites are open all year?

Frank, it'd be nice to see the Hürtgenwald and Eben Emael. :) Only problem in Hürtgen would be us afraid of going anywhere in fear of stepping on Wild Bill's mines!! :D :D

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- 8/4/2003 11:29:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most Dutch holidays start of in July as well as far as I know , run to mid august...If we are talking school vacations...and most adults synchronise with their kids for some odd reason :confused: :D

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- 8/19/2003 2:22:36 AM   
Frank W.

 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Belisarius
[B]Syncronization question; when is "holidays" for you? Our holiday weeks are usually July, but I know it's August for many Euros, right? (did you see this weekend's jams in France? 650 km!!! :eek: )

I suggest either early June or early September, if not these sites are open all year?

Frank, it'd be nice to see the Hürtgenwald and Eben Emael. :) Only problem in Hürtgen would be us afraid of going anywhere in fear of stepping on Wild Bill's mines!! :D :D [/B][/QUOTE]

yes, outside holliday time would be good.

you can find in the hurtgenwald indeed some old ammo and even skulls,bones etc... really no good feeling to walk on a kind of graveyard. AFAIR the hurtgenbattles were one of the bloodiest in the west...

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