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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/9/2016 8:24:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Combat Air Patrol Having a fighter unit attached to each airbase unit is the Units cap. Setting it to 80-100% for interception and setting the interception range in hexes correctly is a plus. the Germans have 4 fighter command units that are useful as night fighter intercepts otherwise you need 2 fighter units per airbase 1 night and 1 day or a string of 3 mutually supporting airbases with the one in the middle set differently for mutual support.

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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 6:28:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		How could I set the "interception range"?

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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 10:47:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		you have a range setting on your airbase screen if you set it to say 10 hexes your fighters will stay within that range

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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 1:28:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		The manuel says, it is for automatic assigenment for air units and not the range the planes will use.


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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 3:36:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, 450 German recon by Dec is not reducing their capability. They begin with 220 in pool and build 36 per turn so after 20 turns they still have more recon aircraft then at start. The failed attacks are more likely due to C2/fuel/fatigue. 2300 kills by 12 groups by Dec means each group killed 1 German per day. Please post their losses.

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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 3:39:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I mean that 5 million man Red Ground Army is likely the real reason the Axis falters.

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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 6:04:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		that was turn 10 august by December the total is over 900




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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 6:08:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I posted the losses I think heres a repost that is late august by end september the Luftwaffe is down to 2000/700 and the Red Air Force is able to operate at will in daytime with minimal losses. Theres a hit in the mud seasons so I will pull the units out to refurbish




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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 6:55:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Theres about 1800 air combat losses - air battles and AF bombing. that leaves more than 4000 ground kills - the ratio is 1 to 2 on damaged ( Approx ) so 8000 damaged and add the disruptions you'll see that the effectiveness is high. This guy is a balls out attacker - moving forward behind a wall of tanks with everything he has. theres an infantry screen from Dnepropetrovsk to Smolensk and from velikye luki to Novgorod. His entire army is concentrated at Leningrad on a 6 hex front at Moscow on an 8 hex front and south of the Dnepr bend on a 4 hex front. These concentrations are irresistible by any means but the Air effort has slowed them enough to hold the line. its allowed me to concentrate air at the critical points and inflict maximum damage where it hurts most. Granted Leningrad is on the verge of falling ( technically its fallen but hes waiting till November to kill my units. Moscow is under siege and will fall in November but ive managed to hold in the south for the moment and evacuate almost all my industry. without the air strikes I would've been smashed




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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 7:04:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		It looks bad but basically I lost 3000 planes turn 1 since then the losses are 6000/3000 which means im losing at 2 to 1 vs the german airforce - the ratio is usually 10 to 1 at this stage in the game. that doesn't include the ground losses im forcing which makes it a parity or slightly in my favor.

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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 7:19:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Reading this, I realize that I must be more of a noob than I thought.

Is the following argumentation wrong?

With an IL-2 mission radius of 15 hexes, the german playe rmust be placing his own airfields very close to the front in order for Hermann to achieve this kind of kill rate. The SU-2 has a mission radius of 24 hexes, so is somewhat better suited for airfield attacks, but even with this range, a lot of german planes (Ju88A, He111H-4, Ju88D-1, Bf110E-3 and Ju52/3), can be stationed of of range from the soviets.

In fact, the only planes in the german arsenal that needs to be placed within range of the russian bombers would be the Ju 87B, some of the recon planes and the BF 109E (if the german decides to equip some units with these) plus the Bf109 F's at the very far end of russian mission range.

Having only a small part of the Luftwaffe within range of the soviets means that the bases where these are stationed can then be guarded with Bf 110 night fighters and lots of AA.

Obviously this means that the Luftwaffe will be somewhat less effective, but If I have the choice between "less effective" and "annihilated" I guess I can live with the first.

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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 7:29:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, Did he just say "I've lost Leningrad and Moscow but the airforce is doing a wonderful job"?

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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 8:19:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol ! ya think he said that - trying to make the point that my opponent is not a nOobinski and that the fighting is very intense. you'll notice I'm still over 5 million troops and he wont hold Moscow long. The factories were evacuated and he holds a thin salient to the town

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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 8:20:14 PM   
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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/11/2016 8:27:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		You play against a noob. Thats all. I killed between 4.500 to 5.000 planes in turn one. This will be a snowball like all in WitE works like a snowball.
The germans are able to made pressure on your airforce and so you will never get that rate or that air units.


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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/12/2016 12:41:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi, I jut finished my turn 1 as Axis. I only got 2590 Soviet AC but then I auto air. In 150 ground combats I inflicted 195163 casualties (171302 captured) I lost 6888 men. Then in Soviet half where they made no attacks at all I lost 17838 LOL

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RE: Low Soviet Air Experience - 4/17/2016 8:02:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		4500-5000 it is may be with soviet operational losses and scraped aiicrafts. I hardly can reach over 4000 after fist turn bombing.

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