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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/17/2016 6:41:51 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/17/2016 6:49:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		If CW sends land forces to Africa I would say Italians have done their share of conquering France. Let's hope they do that.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/17/2016 7:03:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		It'll be interesting with only 2 naval moves what CW chooses from dock the Trans at Rotterdam to get them out of the way, move Wavell, take on the Italians in the West Med.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/17/2016 7:12:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		They can do 2 naval moves and use land moves to get troops in Rotterdam. I hope they do that, so that Italians can initiate combat in North Sea and German NAV can sink CW transporters.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/17/2016 8:03:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the Italians need to worry about their own fleet first. I would advise to abort the Western Med after the first round, if you didn't destroy two of the three CVP's in the sea area (or the carriers if you can). It's no use to trade the Italian fleet 1-1 with the CW, especially if the French can screw things up...


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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/17/2016 8:09:35 PM   
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I think the Italians need to worry about their own fleet first. I would advise to abort the Western Med after the first round, if you didn't destroy two of the three CVP's in the sea area (or the carriers if you can). It's no use to trade the Italian fleet 1-1 with the CW, especially if the French can screw things up...



That's the plan. Back to port at the first opportunity.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/17/2016 8:33:37 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/19/2016 7:16:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Germany is going to DoW on Belgium. I think I should have done it last impulse.

Germany allows claims and aligns Bulgaria (place unit in Sofia).

Germany chooses land action. No naval air or any bombing missions.

Germany rails INF from Denmark to Poznan. I would like to do land moves. AllenK can play naval combat if I'm not online. Italy has promised to send submarine to North Sea box 0 to initiate combat and dive deep after that. German NAV promised to roll 1 and sink CW transporters in box 3...

Rain is a problem, I hope fine for next impulse

I believe Belgium set up is 1 unit in Liege and 2 units in Antwerp.

Map below looks like NFL playbook...

-Blue arrows are current impulse
-Yellow arrows are next Axis impulse (Germany can attack Brussels or Metz, Brussels as primary target)
-Black arrows are current impulse rebase and reorganization missions for Ju52 (landing Breslau) or that INF will be killed

If at some points for any reason CW don't have CP in North Sea Germany will ground strike units in Rotterdam. Otherwise they can stay there until the time is right.




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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/19/2016 7:31:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see a German disaster. Since you are following the strategy I think you will...holding on to and saving your O-chits are less valuable than they otherwise would be. I would use one here. Kill the CW in Rotterdam and take Antwerp. The French are hopelessly out of position and rain hurts them in their next land moves.

Of course I cant see what you have available under your stacks...but you have a good opportunity here.



Oh, Poland...

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/19/2016 7:37:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rotterdam defense is 14 points + defensive shore bombardment, I need to clear North Sea first.

I was thinking about using O-chit, but I rather use it later this turn hoping double impulse or in the beginning N/D.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/19/2016 7:50:12 PM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/19/2016 8:47:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would not set up the Belgian army in Antwerp, but one hex to the southwest. Think about it a moment:

The Germans can't reach either Antwerp nor Brussels during the movement phase due to the ZOC of a Belgian unit in Liège. So why allow an attack on Antwerp, so the Germans can crack the Dyle River? No sir...

Germany gets stuck and can only attack the CW at Rotterdam. If the attack fails, the CW moves it's units from Rotterdam to Antwerp, the Belgians move into Brussels and the French move two hexes east into southern Belgian and the Ardennes.

Now, that's an very good allied defense line. And the turn is ticking away.

But you've got no choice. You either attack Belgium or attack the CW in Rotterdam...



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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/19/2016 9:10:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Centuur is correct! Although two units that equal 9 factors in Brussels with three hexes (worth 2 hexes) on it will give a good opportunity to take it...but as Centuur wrote, the turn is ticking away...

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/19/2016 9:46:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Both French HQ's are disorganized. Just making sure: France can't enter Belgium this turn?

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/19/2016 10:13:26 PM   
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You have to declare use of chit at beginning of impulse only.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/20/2016 3:55:35 AM   
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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/20/2016 12:01:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not convinced that the use of an offensive chit will make any difference in this stage of the war.

Consider: Germany can only use the chit to take out the CW in Rotterdam. If that succeeds, the Belgian army moves into Antwerp, the French race into Brussels and they still manage to get a defensive line in place. And if the turn ends, Germany has received nothing out of the offensive...

I would save the offensive for an attack in Brussels in next impulse.



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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/20/2016 4:59:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		No need for an o-chit for a long while...the Allies just screwed up their Belgian set up.

Or actually you could use an O-chit and take both Brussels and Rotterdam...not sure what units are available though.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/20/2016 6:39:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remember that in RAIN the "defensive" shore bombing is reduced by 1. So only BBs would be somehow effective.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/20/2016 6:41:46 PM   
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No need for an o-chit for a long while...the Allies just screwed up their Belgian set up.

Or actually you could use an O-chit and take both Brussels and Rotterdam...not sure what units are available though.


Agreed. Start calculating on the units you have available to attack first Brussels, second Liège and what's left on Rotterdam. See what you can achieve with the doubling of 8 units using von Rundstedt for an offensive. If you can achieve at least 3-1 odds at Liège, Brussels and Rotterdam when using the chit, use it (remember when you are calculating that rivers do not exist in Belgium and planes cannot fly into the country). If not, don't burn the chit, but aim for the capture of Brussels first.

The Allies made a huge mistake here and you should punish them by crossing the Dyle river line in force if you can.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/20/2016 6:48:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I get Liege automatic and 5:1 to Brussels. Can't attack Rotterdam in rain, no supply as only one is HQ giving supply.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/20/2016 8:29:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would have asked if the CW wants to fly CAP over Rotterdam

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/20/2016 8:33:52 PM   
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Edit: It is always fun to see enemy fighters fly for nothing

Edit 2: I would done ground strike mission to Rotterdam too, but I need 3 air actions later this impulse.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/20/2016 8:45:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		CAP is coded but the game defaults to having the CAP step switched off. If you go to Command/Disable Phases, you can reinstate it for some or all of the major powers.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/20/2016 9:08:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not sure it was wise to use the O-Chit that way.
One of the "major" feats of the O-Chit is that it doubles up the combat value of the ENG unit. That usually serves the purpose to double up 2 other units attacking across a river or across a Maginot Fort (Metz from Belgium hex?).
Pratically by doubling up the ENG you have also 2 other units that fight at full strength (and if eligible, have full panzer bonus in plains - if you cross the Dyle).
That 1 strong ENG turns much, much stronger (and eventually denies also City + 1 factory bonus to the defender when doubled).

If you wanted to unbalance the French defence you'd have got to attack Bruxxelles and Metz with the O-Chit and the leftovers could have seen to the CAV in Liegi.
Also take note of the measly Arty left alone in the Maginot line - that was a potential hole too if one was to prepare to hit there.

Too late by now anyhow!

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/20/2016 9:15:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Metz would have been 3:1 (+1).

I used O-chit because it seems that French line will be very weak after their next impulse. I hope turn does not end (10% chance if nobody passes). Rain prevents them to move all units to front line.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/21/2016 6:11:54 PM   
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Metz would have been 3:1 (+1).

I used O-chit because it seems that French line will be very weak after their next impulse. I hope turn does not end (10% chance if nobody passes). Rain prevents them to move all units to front line.


You were right to use the offensive, but wrong when you didn't attack Metz with it too. Consider this: you've now killed 9 build points worth of enemy units. An offensive costs 15 build points. That's a nett loss of 6 BP. Also: the capture of Metz would have been a major blow to the French. But what's done is done. The cracking of the Dyle River line is a good result, especially if the weather turns good again and you get another impulse...

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/21/2016 6:37:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I killed less than O-chit costed but I used it to get good position for next impulse. I hope next impulse is in this turn. Even better if turn ends after that and I get double impulse. If that happens I promise to take Paris before Christmas

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/21/2016 6:39:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Centuur: I completely agree with your analysis. However, I can see why Mayhemizer did what he did...as you stated in your last sentence. Its important to not have gotten any German units flipped from the Brussels attack...but at the same time not sure how likely that would have been with 1d10.

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RE: 4 player E-mail: Axis Only AAR - 4/21/2016 7:23:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brussles was 5:1 (+1 from disorganized unit) so Germany had 40% chance to flip all attacking units and 20% chance failing to take city.




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