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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 7:49:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		The remaining ships in Gibraltar to the Western Med. I know that leaves us open to a counter from the Littorios but if we get lucky there are two TRS that are begging to be sunk.

Time to leave Bayonne? Garrison to join the Guards Infantry and the Motorised unit to Bilbao. That would leave one move in the south to shore up the mountain approach to Gibraltar.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 9:27:46 AM   
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The Soviets

45mm AT in Chisinau to 59,54
76mm AT to Chisinau (Disrupted)

I was considering an attack with the Nationalists against Hengyang, but we would only get 1:1 +1..... not worth the downside.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 9:32:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		How about everyone passes except the CW? Would give us one more chance of ending the turn?

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 1:49:07 PM   
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I know that leaves us open to a counter from the Littorios



Fight the Axis navy, fight them! (Best said in your best Scottish Royal Navy Hero accent, whatever famous seaborne Scots there may have been?)

What did the real Royal Navy do with the HMS Campbeltown?

Otherwise quite soon the Axis sailors will be taunting you a second time - Running away, eh?

If you play the Allies with force preservation in mind, you lose the game. Plus the Royal Navy already has the KGV on the way now (instead of a much more useful INF), so ... fight them! If you whack those TRS, Egypt is safe, even with Gibraltar lost, though Wellington would be proud of the war in Spain so far. Take every chance you can at them. It's all about the search dice, not the caliber of gun you are facing, so roll the bones.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 3:29:25 PM   
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I know that leaves us open to a counter from the Littorios



Fight the Axis navy, fight them! (Best said in your best Scottish Royal Navy Hero accent, whatever famous seaborne Scots there may have been?)

What did the real Royal Navy do with the HMS Campbeltown?

Otherwise quite soon the Axis sailors will be taunting you a second time - Running away, eh?

If you play the Allies with force preservation in mind, you lose the game. Plus the Royal Navy already has the KGV on the way now (instead of a much more useful INF), so ... fight them! If you whack those TRS, Egypt is safe, even with Gibraltar lost, though Wellington would be proud of the war in Spain so far. Take every chance you can at them. It's all about the search dice, not the caliber of gun you are facing, so roll the bones.

Thank you for the input.

I would not say that the RN, in this game, has force preservation in mind. But, at the same time, CW can fast get a navy inferior to the combined German and Italian navy. The RN has not yet KGV on the way but HMS Duke of York (and thanks to US it only cost 2 BPs to complete). Not much difference but the name. But, the point is, HMS Duke of York is a long way from operational and the Italians already has two Littorios on standby and next turn they will have Richelieu as well. Italy also has a total of seven (7!) battleships in the repair and construction pool. CW can fast become outgunned at sea. And that is before I even considered the Italian naval bombers and its pesky fighters that reach the two box.

Sending two carriers out with a single cruiser as escort might be in the tradition of the RN but I am not yet convinced that it is the wise thing to do.

Maybe I should include the slow battleships but then the fleet only reach the 2 box. Only 20% chance of finding then. Or maybe some of the weak Spanish cruisers should be included?

Anyway. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It has given me something to ponder on.






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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 4:16:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do not send out carriers with inadequate escorts. The two box is fine; it finds 2/3rds or the time the three box does. Not only do the battleships provide defense against surface ships; they provide critical anti-aircraft fire. Be aware of magic numbers on the AA table. If sending an import unit (CV, TRS, AMPH), always have six points of AA. It would be nice to have ten. With six, at even surprise, you will roll against a single bomber. Against what the Italians have, that will frequently take it to zero.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 4:36:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, Courtenay, for the advice.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 6:41:08 PM   
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How about everyone passes except the CW? Would give us one more chance of ending the turn?

That was my plan but the nationalist Chinese begs to be moved...

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 6:46:40 PM   
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No moves required by the ChiComms

The Soviets

45mm AT in Chisinau to 59,54
76mm AT to Chisinau (Disrupted)

I was considering an attack with the Nationalists against Hengyang, but we would only get 1:1 +1..... not worth the downside.

Since we do not pass I think you should consider adding a division to the 'Liberate Finland' force. You have, after all, a rail move to use.



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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 7:04:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		My personal hint, Germany has much todo in Spain: Rail Inf div to ex Tallin. Relocate ATR to Leningrad. Next turn put MTN in Leningrad. Demand border lands. If war, invade with inf div behind enemy lines and reinforce with Air transported MTN.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 7:09:25 PM   
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Rail Inf div to ex Tallin.
Occupy the Baltic States. That is aggressive.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/13/2016 8:03:31 PM   
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No moves required by the ChiComms

The Soviets

45mm AT in Chisinau to 59,54
76mm AT to Chisinau (Disrupted)

I was considering an attack with the Nationalists against Hengyang, but we would only get 1:1 +1..... not worth the downside.

Since we do not pass I think you should consider adding a division to the 'Liberate Finland' force. You have, after all, a rail move to use.


warspite1

Yes the 1-4 in Cernauti to Leningrad makes sense.


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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/14/2016 6:28:48 AM   
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The remaining ships in Gibraltar to the Western Med. I know that leaves us open to a counter from the Littorios but if we get lucky there are two TRS that are begging to be sunk.

warspite1

Well apologies in advance if the turn doesn't end and the Littorios find the carriers


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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/14/2016 4:25:59 PM   
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The remaining ships in Gibraltar to the Western Med. I know that leaves us open to a counter from the Littorios but if we get lucky there are two TRS that are begging to be sunk.

warspite1

Well apologies in advance if the turn doesn't end and the Littorios find the carriers


No cause for concern, Sir, no cause at all. We all know that the Royal Navy will prevail, and there can be only one end to this sad affair. The only question is how long time it will take, and who many who suffers before the boche learn their lesson. They can't possibly win.

Would you join me, Sir, for afternoon tea? I heard Len Hutton hurt his arm in training. Do you think he will be able to break his own record after this ugly affair is finished?




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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/14/2016 6:31:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		The CW outnumbers the Kriegsmarine + Regia Marina 13:7 in BB. Seek battle wherever the bad guys haven't concentrated their NAV (as presently), or the superior force becomes the inferior force. Brittania rules the seas and Continental transports should always live very short lives. Port Strike them if they run away - force the Axis to defend them - that's one less FTR at the Tommies' front lines.

Also don't abandon Bayonne - whatever for? What would the von Herr Generals on the other side want you to do?






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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/16/2016 6:52:15 PM   
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The CW outnumbers the Kriegsmarine + Regia Marina 13:7 in BB. Seek battle wherever the bad guys haven't concentrated their NAV (as presently), or the superior force becomes the inferior force. Brittania rules the seas and Continental transports should always live very short lives. Port Strike them if they run away - force the Axis to defend them - that's one less FTR at the Tommies' front lines.

Also don't abandon Bayonne - whatever for? What would the von Herr Generals on the other side want you to do?


I do not want to abandon Bayonne but I thought I was to weak to defend all hexes well. So only one unit defend Bayonne, for now. However, there is now a risk that Axis will capture the hex before it is reinforced.

The odds are even in greaten favour to CW when counting battleships. So I really need to transfer more (slow) battleships to the West Med. My main reason for concern is that Axis soon will outnumber CW in modern battleships. And, of course, their air power. I had hoped to reduce it somewhat this turn.

I've already port strike the Italian navy once. And it has been guarded by one fighter since then. I think that the German navy been guarded as well. And I did a port strike on the Italian submarines. That was really fun.

Thank you for you comments and insights. It reminds me that I am to cautious by nature.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/16/2016 10:36:00 PM   
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< Message edited by warspite1 -- 7/16/2016 10:39:55 PM >

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/16/2016 10:39:06 PM   
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Scrub that.

Are we on the same page now?

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/16/2016 10:43:21 PM   
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Scrub that.

Are we on the same page now?
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Yes - I forgot that the TRS had picked up a division.


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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/16/2016 10:47:43 PM   
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Scrub that.

Are we on the same page now?
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Yes - I forgot that the TRS had picked up a division.


No. The TRS already was in the sea area and couldn't pick up a unit. I think it was Pola who picked up the div (if I read that picture right).

I aborted the TRS because it was giving the Italians sea supply. With it aborted, the sea supply is gone as well. The possibility of aborting the TRS was the main, or maybe even the only, reason that CW stayed for a second round.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/16/2016 10:49:36 PM   
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Scrub that.

Are we on the same page now?
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Yes - I forgot that the TRS had picked up a division.


No. The TRS already was in the sea area and couldn't pick up a unit. I think it was Pola who picked up the div (if I read that picture right).

I aborted the TRS because it was giving the Italians sea supply. With it aborted, the sea supply is gone as well. The possibility of aborting the TRS was the main, or maybe even the only, reason that CW stayed for a second round.
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Yeah, I knew that.....


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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/16/2016 10:55:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Would have been nice if we at least one of the combat rounds could have rolled a one during the search. The Axis after all roll a one 50% of the naval search rolls.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/16/2016 10:57:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now they just need to fail completely at everything they do and end the turn.

Maybe I can at least dream that.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/16/2016 11:08:39 PM   
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Now they just need to fail completely at everything they do and end the turn.

Maybe I can at least dream that.
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I guess it was a bit of swings and roundabouts. We were very unlucky with the search throws, but we could have been hit worse in the air.

We could really do with the weather turning in the Med or - better still - these long turns being shortened.....

I assume Mayhemizer was joking re the Peacekeepers rule, but clearly need to have agreement on that ahead of any possible move against the Finns.


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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/17/2016 3:21:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well you have done good. Just the pressure on Finland drew a response. Though most of the Spanish front was flipped anyway the 2 Combineds were hardly a way to pursue the Spanish war vigorously. Re-embarking the Italian infantry division seems like a waffling move - keep up the pressure somehow, somewhere. Soon it could be your war to press. Holding in Nantes and Bayonne has paid some dividends.

The Allied fleets are due for a good search roll - don't forget to say Blub, blub, blub just like Harry does when it happens. Be careful if their NAVs start concentrating somewhere though.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/17/2016 9:46:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, with 2 GE corps ready to reinforce Finland, its harder, but a summer offensive dependes on how long (many impulses) the USSR Airforce can support with out facing real GE Airforce opposition.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/18/2016 12:54:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I still don't like the idea of actually going to war in Finland. The 1.8 US entry chits has always been a deal breaker for me.

You were unlucky on your search rolls, but you made your damage rolls. Losing the Ark Royal for a couple of turns is not that bad, and it costs the Italians just as much to repair their battleship as it does you to repair the Ark Royal. Eventually, Allied production superiority will begin to show itself.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/18/2016 7:47:46 PM   
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Although I would have liked the Spanish transporter to survive at least one turn.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/18/2016 9:08:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think USSR should consider placing all their pact chits as offensive and change their defensive to offense from now on.

As I understand it we do not plan to avoid a '41 attack by stuffing the border? And if it is so then we should change from defensive to offence. In my humble opinion, that is.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 7/19/2016 6:48:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here are my Soviet orders.

Soviets
Offensive Neutrality Chit
Breakdown 5-3 INF in Bessarabia into 2-3 and 1-5 MOT
Production: 16 Points
ARM
MECH
INF
PILOT

Reinforcement:
5-4 MTN – Vladivostok
5-1 GARR - Kiev
5-3 - Leningrad

2-4 CAV - Ningsia

Its a shame we cannot get Mao involved again. The Japanese have left a nice gap in the north that is begging to be exploited.....

What do you think about getting some BP to the French? Still too early?

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