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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 8/20/2016 8:02:52 PM   
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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 8/21/2016 8:54:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not all that much has happened during the turn. Although HMS Warspite finally entered the action.

And I am still slightly annoyed that I lost the hex North of Gibraltar at once.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 8/31/2016 5:20:08 PM   
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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 8/31/2016 5:33:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		One would be to cost the Axis an impulse to take Cadiz (expensive for Allies, perhaps), but the Axis would likely need to use the hex adj. to Gib. to do it, due to the river line to the north. With RN BBs offshore, they might wish to use a bit of airpower as well. Though they can Blitz it into the sea easily enough, probably. That hex also threatens

Two, it could be used to threaten to re-take the hex adj. to Gib. after a failed Axis assault.

Gibraltar is worth a lot. How much, only the C-i-C can decide.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 8/31/2016 7:33:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		The main reason that I didn't evacuate Cadiz was a lack of sea lift. I prioritized getting air power to Gibraltar (one FTR2 and one NAV2).

After transporting the air units to Gibraltar used up two of my available transporters. And the liner was in Australia. I could have used the Dutch TRS located in Malta but since I feared the interception possibility in the West Med I send it to India for next turn reinforcements. One TRS is left in England as reserve.

The CW sea lift suffers since two TRS has been sunk. And two (or was it three?) TRS has been damaged. Also, I didn't want to begin the turn with placing loaded TRS in the Cape St Vincent.



Picture from Sep/Oct '40 Impulse #1 (Allied) - Reorganization

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 8/31/2016 7:39:55 PM   
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Gibraltar is worth a lot. How much, only the C-i-C can decide.

I consider all the land units defending Spain and Gibraltar lost. Although I would prefer not to lose them soon and that they will take lots of Axis units with them.

I would say that 'time' will decide and not the C-i-C.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/4/2016 12:22:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		So Ormster, what would you suggest for the Soviets? Defending the borders is a no no - but how far back is prudent do you think?

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/4/2016 12:42:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was actually considering suggesting that this time it might work to defend the border.

The first question that needs to be asked is when do you think Germany will attack USSR?

And the second question will then be with what forces.

And if the answer to the first question is summer '41 then it looks to me that Germany might have trouble getting all their units in position. And then a forward defence might work.

And if the answer is that Germany will not attack in '41 then I would like the Soviet Union to put pressure on Germany by stacking the border.

Anyway. In a rearward defence I think the border should have sacrificial units so that the German forces can not advance freely. Cities and forest hexes should have cheap units that ZOC the German advance without the possibility of overrunning the defenders. And then a mobile defence take over. A couple of strong stacks that retreat one hex or so per impulse. Only allowing Germany to attack them from one hex or two. The mobile defenders should be outside practical ground strike range and definitely outside 'Stuka' range. Few German bombers has a normal range more than 6 hexes. SO if the main defenders are 7 hexes from the border and in a forest hex then that is as good as it gets. Preferably not stacked together.

'Hero cities' should also be considered if Adolf attacks '41.

Some HQs should be placed rearwards where they can reorganize reserves without the possibility of the disorganized HQ getting caught.

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Now that no US entry chits got lost for Finland, I am wondering if we should put Iraq back as a possible target for USSR?

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/4/2016 5:11:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Axis has enough time to get back to make an attack on the Soviet Union, if they start working on it very, very soon. If they don't, they don't. The German garrison ratio can go up startling fast, if they put all their effort into it. However, it can also go up agonizing slowly (agonizing for the Germans, that is) if they need to divert forces to the other fronts.

I don't know what the Axis will do. I don't know if the Axis knows what they will do. I would put units up near the border to force the Axis to make a decision soon. You still will have time to pull them back if that seems to be the appropriate response. The one thing you really don't want to happen is let the Axis get the best of both worlds, and be able to do a close the Med strategy and a '41 Barbarossa at the same time. Make them choose.

Of course, if my math is wrong, and the Russians get stuck on the border and the Germans manage to get enough garrison to attack the Soviet Union, following this advice would cost you the game, so this advice is quite possibly worth exactly what you paid for it.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/4/2016 5:26:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		A common Allied mistake in WiF is the Russian player doing things just because they are bored while the other players get to have all the fun. Then frequently the German player gets to have more fun at Russian expense.

You would also need to consider whether you are using the MWiF Break Pact optional which is different than the paper rules.

If the Germans are serious about trying to attack Russia in 1941, they will attack Gib. immediately probably with an O-Chit if they still have one. (Too late for the current impulse I believe, if it it not posted yet.) They would still need to take Tangier and this is a bit farther off yet. The CW position is fairly good with a lot of work in front of the Germans to clean up for a secure rear before attacking Russia. The Allies can look for a little good luck on the Partisan table to help their situation in the West in a small way, I think.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/5/2016 9:56:15 PM   
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You would also need to consider whether you are using the MWiF Break Pact optional which is different than the paper rules.

We do play with the MWIF break pack option so stopping Germany from breaking the pact in '41 is not a possibility.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/5/2016 9:59:44 PM   
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So Ormster, what would you suggest for the Soviets? Defending the borders is a no no - but how far back is prudent do you think?

I predict that Germany will turn on USSR in '41.

Time to plan a rearward defence then.

And whether USSR will require any CW assistance and if CW has any possibility to actually offer any assistance.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/6/2016 2:59:06 AM   
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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/6/2016 7:21:36 AM   
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So Ormster, what would you suggest for the Soviets? Defending the borders is a no no - but how far back is prudent do you think?

I predict that Germany will turn on USSR in '41.

Time to plan a rearward defence then.

And whether USSR will require any CW assistance and if CW has any possibility to actually offer any assistance.
warspite1

Yep, a rearward defence it is. I will start moving units accordingly (subject to the ChiComms needs). I do not think an Iraqi venture makes any sense at the moment.

Whether the CW can help or not we'll have to see - we just need the US and quickly!


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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/6/2016 6:39:35 PM   
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I do not think an Iraqi venture makes any sense at the moment.

It would only make sense if Axis turns towards Syria or Egypt.

I mostly suggested it out of frustration with the traded Iraqi oil.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/10/2016 9:58:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		I feel a bit frustrated at the moment. I've thought for a while now that Germany will turn on USSR during '41 but I see no sign of preparations of that except one HQA built last turn.

But at the same time I do not think a invasion of UK are on the agenda either. No air lift or sea lift produced.

And so far there has been no interest in Egypt. Italy has been surprisingly passive in Africa.

So I have a hard time making long term plans for CW. Not that I do not have lots of crisis management to do.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/10/2016 11:19:00 AM   
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I feel a bit frustrated at the moment. I've thought for a while now that Germany will turn on USSR during '41 but I see no sign of preparations of that except one HQA built last turn.

But at the same time I do not think a invasion of UK are on the agenda either. No air lift or sea lift produced.

And so far there has been no interest in Egypt. Italy has been surprisingly passive in Africa.

So I have a hard time making long term plans for CW. Not that I do not have lots of crisis management to do.
warspite1

Yes. I too am surprised that units are still being transferred west rather than a gradual build up east.

But maybe its a trap to get the Soviets setting up forward? If not I do not know what the plan is. It must be Sealion mustn't it?


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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/10/2016 8:57:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		...and still the push west continues. One armour and one mechanised in the east. The rest? Militia and weak infantry.....

What is going on?

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/10/2016 9:02:07 PM   
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...and still the push west continues. One armour and one mechanised in the east. The rest? Militia and weak infantry.....

What is going on?

No idea.

But if Germany does not turn East soon then I am going to suggest that USSR stuff the border. Get as high offensive ratio as possible.

It is, of course, easy for me to suggest.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/10/2016 9:31:16 PM   
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...and still the push west continues. One armour and one mechanised in the east. The rest? Militia and weak infantry.....

What is going on?

No idea.

But if Germany does not turn East soon then I am going to suggest that USSR stuff the border. Get as high offensive ratio as possible.

It is, of course, easy for me to suggest.
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Well presumably Gibraltar falls next impulse then they have the rest of Sep/Oct - Mar/Apr to get everyone in place. They are then to a degree hostage to weather/turn length fortune - although maybe they are so used to getting Fine/long turns that they have put that to the back of their minds.

For now all I can do is keep moving units forward while their intentions become clearer and as Spain gets mopped up and they unmask more of their evil Machiavellian schemes [the Axis players both twirl non-existent moustaches in synchronised fashion while stroking the white cats sat purring in their laps......] Oh the banality of evil!


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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/10/2016 9:38:58 PM   
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For now all I can do is keep moving units forward

And with forward you meant moving the units into defensive positions I presume and hope.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/10/2016 9:40:39 PM   
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Well presumably Gibraltar falls next impulse then they have the rest of Sep/Oct - Mar/Apr to get everyone in place

Indeed.

Although if Gibraltar falls next impulse, without Germany playing a offensive chit, I am going to be a tiny bit annoyed.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/10/2016 9:44:45 PM   
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For now all I can do is keep moving units forward

And with forward you meant moving the units into defensive positions I presume and hope.
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Yes - forward to pack the border - unless everything goes for the Axis in which case I am going to get the hell out of there.


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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/10/2016 9:46:32 PM   
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Well presumably Gibraltar falls next impulse then they have the rest of Sep/Oct - Mar/Apr to get everyone in place

Indeed.

Although if Gibraltar falls next impulse, without Germany playing a offensive chit, I am going to be a tiny bit annoyed.
warspite1

I'm saying nothing...... I just hope that - what's the advert say? Past performance is no guarantee of future blah blah blah....


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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/10/2016 10:07:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyways, enough of that old cobblers.

So Ormster do you have a plan of action at this stage for the CW, a few ideas kicking around or have you yet to bring your considerable intellect to bear on this one?

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/11/2016 8:51:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		A plan for this impulse? For the remainder of the turn? For next turn? For next year? Or for the year after that? Or for the remainder of the game?

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/11/2016 8:52:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, I do not have a plan of action yet. But I can wing it.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/11/2016 9:01:36 AM   
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No, I do not have a plan of action yet. But I can wing it.
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Right Ormster - it's real simples.

SINK THE BISMARCK!!


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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/11/2016 9:07:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		That old ship had no priority at all.

Now that you reminded me I should, perhaps, change priority. Something to ponder on, at least.

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RE: TOP SECRET ORMSTER + WARSPITE ONLY - 9/11/2016 9:42:14 AM   
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That old ship had no priority at all.

Now that you reminded me I should, perhaps, change priority. Something to ponder on, at least.
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It was only in jest. You are right, in game terms the ship has no significance other than it is another Axis unit that would be better off dead - particularly as the Bay of Biscay and environs is going to become an incredibly hotter place very soon (it is already bomb alley). So please forget any ramblings of mine....

Now, where were we? Ah yes:

Sink the Bismarck!!!!

Note the two additional ! - this is now serious

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