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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/24/2016 12:03:59 PM   
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That resupply script command works great, just remember to make it not automatically detectable. As I am embarking on creating a 21 day mission, is there a way to change the homebase via a script or trigger?

Do you mean change where a unit is hosted? 
ok=ScenEdit_HostUnitToParent({HostedUnitNameOrID=unit.guid,SelectedHostNameOrID=newbase.guid});


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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/24/2016 12:34:17 PM   
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IMHO, long scenarios don't have to have hundreds of units. While interesting (and nothing against the great NF12 scenario), all that really does from my own perspective is probably slow down the program, and cause long term memory issues (hitting the 32-bit limit).
A long duration game with fewer units, like the convoys across the Atlantic (very much like that in the NF12 scenario) with a limited play field between continental US and Europe/Med, could still be manageable and exercise this new functionality.


I don't disagree. I think NF12 is a splendid example of scenario creep 'Honest officer I just couldn't stop!'. Although keeping a player's interest up will be a challenge with fewer units, its probably do-able.

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/24/2016 12:46:50 PM   
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IMHO, long scenarios don't have to have hundreds of units. While interesting (and nothing against the great NF12 scenario), all that really does from my own perspective is probably slow down the program, and cause long term memory issues (hitting the 32-bit limit).
A long duration game with fewer units, like the convoys across the Atlantic (very much like that in the NF12 scenario) with a limited play field between continental US and Europe/Med, could still be manageable and exercise this new functionality.


I don't disagree. I think NF12 is a splendid example of scenario creep 'Honest officer I just couldn't stop!'. Although keeping a player's interest up will be a challenge with fewer units, its probably do-able.

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Yea, it is like my programming at work. If I had my way, I wouldn't release anything "but it just needs a little bit more tweaking boss!! Just thought of another must have feature to add ... Design documents are just really guidelines ..."

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/24/2016 1:53:30 PM   
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IMHO, long scenarios don't have to have hundreds of units. While interesting (and nothing against the great NF12 scenario), all that really does from my own perspective is probably slow down the program, and cause long term memory issues (hitting the 32-bit limit).
A long duration game with fewer units, like the convoys across the Atlantic (very much like that in the NF12 scenario) with a limited play field between continental US and Europe/Med, could still be manageable and exercise this new functionality.


I don't disagree. I think NF12 is a splendid example of scenario creep 'Honest officer I just couldn't stop!'. Although keeping a player's interest up will be a challenge with fewer units, its probably do-able.

B


Please do push limits and try stuff. Some of these obstacles may not be big deals but we need to know what they are to address them. As an example D is looking to address the 32 bit thing. Just so you know our programmers are D, Rag and Baloogan.

Thanks!

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/24/2016 8:46:31 PM   
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Attached is a scenario I built to test facility damage behavior. Once all targets were heavily damaged or destroyed, I deleted BLUFOR forces to speed up time acceleration. I also included a snapshot a month after the initial strikes took place to show what facilities remain. It doesn't look like any of them made any progress repairing themselves during the month the scenario ran.

I look forward to your feedback.



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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/26/2016 1:42:37 PM   
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That resupply script command works great, just remember to make it not automatically detectable. As I am embarking on creating a 21 day mission, is there a way to change the homebase via a script or trigger?

Do you mean change where a unit is hosted? 
ok=ScenEdit_HostUnitToParent({HostedUnitNameOrID=unit.guid,SelectedHostNameOrID=newbase.guid});


Not quite, it just teleports units to other bases. What I was looking for was a way to change/assign a new base/port to a unit that is underway. As a work-around to the lack of ferry missions for ships.

edit=I figured it out. Once the vessel is near the new port use this line: ok=ScenEdit_SetUnit({side='sidename', name='unitname', RTB})

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/26/2016 3:13:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does that return the ship to the nearby available base, or to it's already-assigned base?

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/26/2016 3:37:49 PM   
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Does that return the ship to the nearby available base, or to it's already-assigned base?

It should return to its assigned base.

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/26/2016 5:16:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is there a script that changes base assignment? I looked in the SetUnit documentation, that wasn't one of the attributes listed. I may have missed it though, and I haven't been able to try it in-game.

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/26/2016 11:41:24 PM   
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That is exactly what I was looking for. I have a mission that simulates a deployment to a FOL. However, the only way I was able to simulate the delivery and resupply of munitions was to teleport the ammo dump to the base from another location. As for a longer duration mission, I have a few that I am working on that are going on 4-7 days. In building these longer missions, I feel sometimes it is difficult to find things to keep the player interested between major events. It may be my ADHD that is getting the best of me though.


In the real world, there's a lot of "things to keep the player interested between major events" for any mission.

War is a lot of high spikes of activity with a lot of muddling around with the details of planning, maneuver, supply, and repair / retrofit / deploy new equipment to get to those high spikes in activity.

You can read it into the US History of WWII, with the biggest issue being able to establish a supply dump in the United Kingdom for a sword thrust into Hitler's vulnerable Atlantic belly punctuated with actions in Africa, Sicily, and Italy which essentially served as training missions for the big event on D-Day.

Then, following the landings, the issue became maintaining some advancement of troops to secure a base of operations in France that provided fuel, combat supply, and reinforcements for the thrust toward Hitler's center of gravity in "the Homeland."

History likes to relate the events as battles, but really, there is a significant amount of preparation and construction of infrastructure necessary to support those battles.

Longer duration scenarios are interesting, but only if sustainment issues are highlighted as the basis for maintaining that duration between the spikes in conflict.

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/27/2016 3:10:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK first round of testing was done last week. Submitted a couple issues to D on port behaviors and groups.

This week working another another test. Goals with existing features in the game

1)All high level SAM's have been grouped with a ammo unit they can reload from. We know this happens way to fast (need to look at distance vs. reload time one day) but err'd on the side of giving us something (reloads!).
2)AI flex.. Using lua to add and drop missions to model advance and retreat type logic. Battle isn't always about numbers but there are a number of ways to use code to evaluate certain things.
3)Port Value. Once a ports ability to support units is destroyed they should use one that can. This might mean no patrol areas etc.
4)Variability. This scenario needs to last and be replayable. Need to look at ways at changing the game each play. Lots of lua tools for that.
5)Forcing the player to think long by adding depth.

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/27/2016 4:55:22 AM   
michaelm75au


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Is there a script that changes base assignment? I looked in the SetUnit documentation, that wasn't one of the attributes listed. I may have missed it though, and I haven't been able to try it in-game.

I don't believe that the 'assigned base' is exposed currently.

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/27/2016 12:10:58 PM   
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Does that return the ship to the nearby available base, or to it's already-assigned base?

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Does that return the ship to the nearby available base, or to it's already-assigned base?


That LUA works if the ship hasn't been assigned to a base yet. It may be a combination of this one and the one michaelm posted earlier to get a ship to simulate docking.

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/27/2016 1:15:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cf_dallas

Is there a script that changes base assignment? I looked in the SetUnit documentation, that wasn't one of the attributes listed. I may have missed it though, and I haven't been able to try it in-game.

I don't believe that the 'assigned base' is exposed currently.


I tried it for a little while last night. Guessing and hope are NOT a great solution. :-)

"Base=".... Nope
"AssignedBase=".... Nope
Etc etc etc


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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/27/2016 1:59:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Added this to our lua request list

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RE: Call to try long duration scenarios - 5/27/2016 2:26:49 PM   
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Added this to our lua request list

awesome, thanks. I think this will work great, especially with AI ship movements, air intercepts and diversions.

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