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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 4:33:32 PM   
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Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Allied #2. (Non-Phasing) IJN. Polynesia

3. Do the Japanese wish to attempt to initiate combat in Polynesia?

4. If so, standing orders for how they wish to fight?

No, I will not initiate in Polylnesia
Mistake corrected with the IJN "intercept attempt". See edited post 1756 for the correction and note that the IJN sub in Polynesia is now organized and the USN task force is in the 2-box of the New Zealand coast.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 4:37:07 PM   
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Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Allied #2. (Non-Phasing) IJN. The Marianas, Solomons, East Indian Ocean.

5. Which or these three sea area would the Japanese wish to attempt to initiate combat?

6. (If applicable) How do they wish to allocate the indicated air units to the battle?

7. (If applicable) What are your standing orders for how they wish to fight in each area?

5) Only the Marianas.
6) React the zero out to the 3-box of the Marianas, joining the other aircraft.
7) If I can get 6 surprise points against the 3-box, engage them and use 6 surprise points to adjust your A-A down 2 and mine up 1 column. Any extra SP are used to move my attack on the naval units up one column (after the effects of AA). If in the first round I get less than 6 SP, then target the 0-box only. Naval attacks you target the Carriers (order - Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown). If a damage can potentially sink a carrier, select it.

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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 4:43:33 PM   
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8. Do the Italians wish to attempt to initiate combat in the East Med?

9. (If applicable) how do they wish to allocate the additional air units that could join the battle?

10. (If applicable) What are the standing orders for how the Italians wish to fight?

POTENTIAL BUG: I just noticed that the game didn't give the Italians the chance as the non-phasing player to initiate a naval combat in the North Atlantic. I know the CW added a NAV to the 3-box and, I pretty such the RN/USN added more SCS to the sea area. The Italians do have on organized sub so this may be a bug. I'll do some investigation and post both here and in the tech forum if applicable. If it is a bug, and you would have wanted to initiate combat, which I'm not sure you would, then I can go back and have the allies try to initiate combat.


8) yes
9) The Freccia will fly to the 1-box.
10) target the 0-box alone at first and sink the CP. Next the ships in the 0-box and then finally the ship in the 3-box. AA should be ne (only engaging 1 box at a time). Use SP to move attack up in columns.

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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 4:45:09 PM   
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POTENTIAL BUG: I just noticed that the game didn't give the Italians the chance as the non-phasing player to initiate a naval combat in the North Atlantic. I know the CW added a NAV to the 3-box and, I pretty such the RN/USN added more SCS to the sea area. The Italians do have on organized sub so this may be a bug. I'll do some investigation and post both here and in the tech forum if applicable. If it is a bug, and you would have wanted to initiate combat, which I'm not sure you would, then I can go back and have the allies try to initiate combat.


I would not have wanted to initiate this impulse (with that naval air, the subs will wait for poor weather - if that does not come the panzers will have a high time on the east front).

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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 4:45:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Allied #2. USN, China Sea. Sub Combat, Round 1.

The USN subs in the China Sea find, surprise, isolate sea box 0, and have just enough surprise points to force a sub combat where two IJN CP's are sunk and a third is forced to abort. The USN subs will stay and will try to force a second round of combat.

11. Do you wish to stay and risk a second round?

12. Where do you wish your abort to go to?




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 4:47:24 PM   
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11. Do you wish to stay and risk a second round?

12. Where do you wish your abort to go to?

I will stay.
No new reactions.

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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 5:00:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Allied #2. USN Sub Combat, China Sea. Round 2.

Round 2 also goes the USN way with search rolls of 3 for the allies and 5 for the axis. The USN again isolates sea box 0 and uses its 4 surprise points to force a sub combat. This time the USN manages to sink 1 CP and force the remaining 3 Japanese CPs to abort. The USN will stay.

13. Do the Japanese wish to stay and risk a third round of combat?

14. The Japanese have 4 CPs that are aborted. Where do you wish them to go when the battle is over?

15. Assuming the Japanese stay and with all CP's gone, any changes to your standing orders for fighting the battle if a 3rd round occurs?




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 5:06:28 PM   
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Round 2 also goes the USN way with search rolls of 3 for the allies and 5 for the axis. The USN again isolates sea box 0 and uses its 4 surprise points to force a sub combat. This time the USN manages to sink 1 CP and force the remaining 3 Japanese CPs to abort. The USN will stay.

13. Do the Japanese wish to stay and risk a third round of combat?

14. The Japanese have 4 CPs that are aborted. Where do you wish them to go when the battle is over?

15. Assuming the Japanese stay and with all CP's gone, any changes to your standing orders for fighting the battle if a 3rd round occurs?


13) Yes stay, no risk now.
14) to Fukuoka
15) target subs if available, CP otherwise.

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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 5:16:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Allied #2. USN, China Sea. Round 3.

With no Japanese CPs left in the sea area the USN decides NOT to commit their subs leaving a lone USA CP patrolling hostile waters without support. Why it was there is a mystery. I guess the crew failed to get notification that a war had started between the USA and the Empire of Japan. This CP pays the ultimate price and is sunk without mercy by the Japanese heavy cruiser patrolling there.

Combat ends with both sides staying but the USN subs not committing to combat.

The 4 aborted IJN CPs make their way to Fukuoka.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 5:22:03 PM   
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The USN sub attempts to initiate combat. The IJN flies a NAV out to the 2-box. Allies roll a 7 for search and the axis an 8. Neither side finds the other so no combat.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 5:33:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ashkpa

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Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Allied #2. (Non-Phasing) IJN. The Marianas, Solomons, East Indian Ocean.

5. Which or these three sea area would the Japanese wish to attempt to initiate combat?

6. (If applicable) How do they wish to allocate the indicated air units to the battle?

7. (If applicable) What are your standing orders for how they wish to fight in each area?

5) Only the Marianas.
6) React the zero out to the 3-box of the Marianas, joining the other aircraft.
7) If I can get 6 surprise points against the 3-box, engage them and use 6 surprise points to adjust your A-A down 2 and mine up 1 column. Any extra SP are used to move my attack on the naval units up one column (after the effects of AA). If in the first round I get less than 6 SP, then target the 0-box only. Naval attacks you target the Carriers (order - Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown). If a damage can potentially sink a carrier, select it.
The loss/abort of all Japanese CP's in the China Sea has put the Japanese naval base at Truk out of supply. This means that the Japanese aircraft at Truk can no longer fly out and join a potential naval battle in the Marianas.

16. Do you still wish to attempt to initiate a naval combat in the Marianas?





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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 5:45:43 PM   
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8. Do the Italians wish to attempt to initiate combat in the East Med?

9. (If applicable) how do they wish to allocate the additional air units that could join the battle?

10. (If applicable) What are the standing orders for how the Italians wish to fight?

POTENTIAL BUG: I just noticed that the game didn't give the Italians the chance as the non-phasing player to initiate a naval combat in the North Atlantic. I know the CW added a NAV to the 3-box and, I pretty such the RN/USN added more SCS to the sea area. The Italians do have on organized sub so this may be a bug. I'll do some investigation and post both here and in the tech forum if applicable. If it is a bug, and you would have wanted to initiate combat, which I'm not sure you would, then I can go back and have the allies try to initiate combat.


8) yes
9) The Freccia will fly to the 1-box.
10) target the 0-box alone at first and sink the CP. Next the ships in the 0-box and then finally the ship in the 3-box. AA should be ne (only engaging 1 box at a time). Use SP to move attack up in columns.
Axis search roll was a 6 and the allies a 4. Neither side made contact.





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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 5:47:32 PM   
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16. Do you still wish to attempt to initiate a naval combat in the Marianas?


I will pass at this time and wait for better opportunities

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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 6:13:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Allied #2. USSR Ground Strike Attempts.

The USSR will be attempting three air and one artillery ground strike. Only one of the three air ground strikes, which is indicated in red, can be intercepted by the Germans.

1. Do you wish to intercept and, if so, which unit(s) do you wish to intercept with?

The Soviets have NO fighters in position to counter-intercept if the Germans did to do so.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 6:16:53 PM   
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1. Do you wish to intercept and, if so, which unit(s) do you wish to intercept with?

Bf109 under Rommel will intercept.

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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 6:49:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Allied #2. USSR. Ground Strike 1.

Luftwaffe fighters waste no time in downing the Soviet bombers. At least the Soviet pilot survives.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 6:50:58 PM   
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All I can say is wow ... Soviet 122 mm artillery do a number on the Germans.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 6:51:49 PM   
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A miss ... but I'm not complaining after the result of the last ground strike.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 6:52:32 PM   
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Another miss ... still not complaining.

FYI - I'm going to be gone for the next hour or two. I'll finish my turn then ... Soviet land moves which is very critical and which I need to take time to think through.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 7:17:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I will be watching the rams game for the next several hours. Time to see them lose again :-)

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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 8:17:51 PM   
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I will be watching the rams game for the next several hours. Time to see them lose again :-)



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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 9:07:39 PM   
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The Soviets rail the blue factory in Leningrad east to Akmolinsk.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 9:09:23 PM   
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Post movement. No land combat.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 9:15:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 16. Mar/Apr 1942. Allied #2. USSR HQ Reorg.

Zhukov is used to reorganize the two air units disorganized by a Luftwaffe ground strike last impulse, hopefully saving them and their pilots from destruction. These two air units are located in Vila, Poland, which is the exposed salient in the Soviet northern lines.

Also, the Hero artillery unit is also reorganized.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 9:16:07 PM   
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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/1/2017 9:17:25 PM   
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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/3/2017 3:44:44 AM   
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Germany takes a land, Japan a naval and Italy a combined.
Many Navy moves completed, made no interception attempts, since I was stopping in each zone except for this last move.
A CA in Tokyo picks up a division and moves into the China Sea.
Will the US subs intercept.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/3/2017 12:18:31 PM   
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A CA in Tokyo picks up a division and moves into the China Sea.
Will the US subs intercept.
No thank you.


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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/3/2017 2:56:47 PM   
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Below is the image of the possible combats. Not shown are three areas where the axis have not initiated combat: The North Atlantic, Sea of Japan, and China Sea. The allies should have the option of initiating in the China Sea, but not the others.

I will attempt to proceed first in those areas least likely to require interaction.




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RE: Pat vs Ronnie GW AAR - 1/3/2017 3:05:04 PM   
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E. Med searches of 9/2 result in one CW CA finding. The could engage the 4-box but at best do an A on the axis and take a D 2A, so I am having the CW avoid the combat. Let me know if you'd like to redo this.




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