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- 4/30/2003 7:39:44 PM   
CynicAl


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First off - When I posted that "I really don't need, or care, to know," I was specifically trying to head off the autobiography. I don't need to know any of that. I don't care to know any of that.

Second - I never said there was anything wrong with being a resident alien or naturalized citizen. I mentioned those as possible ways that a self-identified American could be an ESL speaker. (And, by the way - resident aliens are not "just as much American as you or I." They're foreign nationals living in this country, usually temporarily. That's what "resident alien" means.)

Third - The problem with "made it a bit misunderstanding" is not that it's dialect, the problem is that it makes no sense in English. (Your proposed "correction" isn't much better.) The reason this particular phrase was singled out was because a) it's a very good example of what I was talking about, and b) I didn't have to go looking for it because it was very close, on the screen, to where I was typing.

Fourth - Improper grammar in itself isn't the issue. It has become relevant to the discussion, though, because your writing skills are interfering with your ability to state your case. When you write one thing in one post, then in the next state that you believe you made it "perfectly clear" that you actually meant the opposite of that, then Yes, your inability to convey the points you're trying to make becomes a factor in the discussion. I very rarely make an issue of grammar or spelling (Does anyone on these boards remember me ever doing so before?), and I wouldn't be doing it this time either; but as I said, your writing skills are so poor that what you're actually typing is the opposite of what you're trying to get across. Do you see how that might be a problem?

Fifth - No, "the difference is" that when I occasionally slip in a phrase or sentence written in a more informal mode, the purpose is to relieve my own rather dry and boring writing style, and I try to make sure that the meaning is not lost. Using "lots" rather than "much," for example. I know it isn't good grammar, but it doesn't confuse the issue.

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- 5/1/2003 8:46:59 AM   
Tankerace


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All I am going to say about my skills is the people I come into contact with every day, be they on other forums, college profs, teachers, whoever, have no problem for my writing. In fact, they usually cite me for excellent writings. I am sorry to burst your bubble, but their opinion of my skills means a lot more to me then yours. Oh BTW, yes, I know what a resident alien is. But they want to be Americans, and I consider them Americans.

And how does my usage make "no sense"? Made it a bit misunderstanding. The word "made" is the verb that the noun is doing, or that refers to the noun (postings, if memory serves). The word "it" is a pronoun that takes the place of the noun [postings]. Bit is a word that usually means little, or in this case somewhat, and is an adjective refering to the direct object. Misunderstanding is the direct object in this sentence, being what it is made to do, or rather what is happening. How does the not make sense? I just broke the sentence down on a level that a fifth grader could understand. Jeez.

Oh well, like I said, their opinion matters to me more than yours. Good day.

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Time for an English Lesson... - 5/21/2003 8:55:34 AM   
RevRick


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Ace: I don't usually jump into this sort of ruckus, but this time I need to point out that your parsing of the sentence in question is in error. "It" is the direct object of the verb "made." What follows would appear to be an abortive attempt at an adverbial phrase intended to be used to modify the verb "made", but which uses a noun (misunderstanding) as the modifier, which can be done, but generally not very well. I taught English, and have written in the graduate level (Masters and Doctoral) and were I to have been grading that sentence, I would have found your sentence awkward at best. So, your great crime is that you fouled up on a sentence - that has been done by people before, and will be done by people later, and by me sometime in this post. I do not feel that the inquiry was directed toward your writing style or as a slight, but was directed toward a better understanding of what you were trying to say - and given the nature of the sentence in question, it is possibly understandable - as I hope I have demonstrated. The former anchor clanker in me would tell you not to jump salty. It generally ain't worth it, and you might find somebody saltier.

Now, so far as the damage to CV's - VB/VS types did substantial damage to surface ships, but unless there were other mitigating circumstances (such as the presence of armed and fueled aircraft on the flight deck, as at Midway), or unless a multitude of hits was obtained on the target, they were relatively ineffective against defended and protected (as in armored) ships. The old Navy addage was that "I'd rather let water in the bottom than air out the top." The IJN aircraft ships dreaded in 42-43 were the Kates.

Now, the Saratoga was withdrawn from service late in the war primarily because her elevators were not capable of handling the new generation of aircraft (physical dimensions as well as weight factors came into play,) and they were horribly placed. Enterprise, late in the war, took a bomb hit near the forward elevator which bulged her flight deck upward, and it was, IIRC, judged that she would not have been adequately repaired in time to resume combat operations, so she was withdrawn.

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