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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 1/22/2017 12:37:33 AM   
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Excellent analysis - here are my thoughts.

Month 1 - Germany and Italy withdraw and offer peace to Allies. Allies occupy to border and accept peace. China makes peace with Japan.
Month 2 - Japan accepts Chinese offer and offers alliance. China allies with Japan and I give Rufus the password. He now controls four powers.
Month 3 - The USA declares war on the Asians, but not the Germans and Italians.

Month X - The European Axis declares war on the USSR after crushing the Czechs, etc.
Month X+1 - GB-FR declare war on GR-IT in sympathy with the Soviets.

Would this work?

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 1/22/2017 7:37:47 PM   
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Pending what rufus has to say, I think that seems fair. That will get the Americans involved as well, which could be fun for you, Chuck. I understand it would be difficult and a bit frustrating if you needed to holster the ace up your sleeve (USA).

I would be very open to what rufus has to say, though, since he has a *much* better insight on the situation than I do.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 1/22/2017 8:08:23 PM   
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Interesting idea to make China and Japan sign paeca and fight united. It offers a new way of playing the war in Far East.

My only concern is that it might be too boring for Tortugapower to wait til Axis is ready to attack SU. Fighting a two front war needs some preparation.

What about any DoW of SU against China, as punishment for their alliance with Japan?

Btw, in case SU attacks any minor that seeks for help from Axis, SU and Axis might sign peace - just as Axis and USA did the last turns. So SU can train its armies in the minors.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 1/22/2017 8:32:11 PM   
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Instead of X+1 for the FR-GB DoW on GR-IT we could wait till a trigger condition. Perhaps the GR-IT being within four hexes of one of the Soviet big three, Moscow, Leningrad or Stalingrad.

I am looking forward to taking my inexperienced USA to war with the Asians.

I agree that if the USSR attacks a minor the minor should be defended vigorously, but this should not necessarily trigger a major power war between the USSR and GR-IT. Fight it out and make peace. You guys can decide this on a case by case basis. If the USSR invades Romania it might be a a deal breaker and lead to real war with GR-IT. If you need an arbitrator just ask Churchill.

This could be fun for all, and that is our goal here - may the best warriors win.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 1/23/2017 12:40:07 AM   
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I don't have any immediate designs on the European nations. I will surely make war with Finland, as should surprise no one, but other than that, I am willing to abide by some treaty not to attack European nations until such time as the Germans violate our neutrality. Am I reading this correctly that I am being asked not to invade Europe?

And "two-front war"... will the Allies and Axis have a peace treaty or not?

I'm a relatively passive player as anyone but the Axis (by nature I'm much more a Montgomery than a Patton, to my own chagrin). So I would be content to twiddle my thumbs and take Finland until the Axis attack.

If I attack Romania (not a goal in 1939 at least), I think it should be rufus' decision whether that triggers full-blown war or not. So, again, the trend of my decisions is "you guys know better than me".

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 1/23/2017 1:39:45 AM   
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I don't think that was Rufus' intention, nor is it mine.

As I see it you can attack anyone you want to. If the MFN defender is FR or GB I will fight the side as hard as I can, but will not consider the USSR as being at war with GB or FR. I suspect Rufus will do much the same, but if he considers it in the interests of GR-IT he may make it the beginning of an actual war between GR-IT and the USSR - his decision I guess, but then he could go for Barbarossa next turn too.

The Axis and FR-GB will have peace once the withdrawal occurs, not to be changed by FR-GB till the "trigger" or other criteria we come up with.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 1/23/2017 10:41:09 AM   
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Okay, thanks for the clarification, I understand now.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 1/25/2017 1:19:01 PM   
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24 July 1939

The Czechs are facing a very strong combination of German and Italian troops. Vienna has been retaken by these forces, and the Czech motherland has been assaulted. All this has not been free for the Axis as the Czechs are hard fighters.

The British and French have invited the Axis to vacate France and launched a coordinated attack on a German spearhead with artillery, airpower, and an armored assault. The spearhead took losses and retired. Again, the Allies have offered to make peace with Germany and Italy after they withdraw from French territory. Great Britain and France are ready to fight and like our chances in a struggle. Germany and Italy can pull back a hex or two, and have peace in the west.

The Chinese have demonstrated that their new armor has claws by forcing a Japanese column away from Kaifeng. China is looking more and more like a power, and the Japanese should consider the benefits of making peace here and looking to a possible joint prosperity sphere with China to defend against the looming American presence.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 1/27/2017 11:29:19 PM   
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Oops, I may have forgotten to put the German turn up on Dropbox.

It is there now. So sorry.

If I seem slow check with me as I try to do the turns on time.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 1/28/2017 8:42:11 AM   
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You've been so quick about them that I don't think anyone minds.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 2/6/2017 2:22:15 AM   
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21 August 1939

Peace is breaking out all over.

The Germans have withdrawn from France, and will make peace after subduing the Czechs.

The Japanese and Chinese are at peace for the first time in many years.

What does this mean for the Soviet Union and the USA?

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 2/15/2017 11:15:48 PM   
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1939, October.

Finland... capitulated. I'm going to share my recording with Chuck, as he won't be my enemy. I'm wondering though, do you think I should actually redo this? If I quit and reload the game, I don't Finland will concede. In fact, I was so sure they wouldn't concede, I didn't even check their chances to do so. A Winter War may be more fun and keep Chuck involved, even though we know that war with Germany is just on the horizon.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 2/16/2017 12:04:04 AM   
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I see no problem with Finland capitulating, and I think it was a wise decision on their part.

The perfidy of the Japanese-Chinese combination has made the USA realize that a war in the Pacific is necessary, and the US will be carefully evaluating her options there.

The Soviet Union should garrison Finland and prepare for Barbarossa.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 2/16/2017 12:17:06 AM   
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It is funny that after all your effort to get a Winter War it ends in capitulation!

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 2/16/2017 7:11:41 PM   
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Although it would be easier for me to attack you while you are engaged in Finland, we should keep it as it is. Capitulation is one of the options in this scenario. So we should accept it and not redo a turn because we dont like the result.
It would be different if a major mistake would have been made. In this case we might replay a turn.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 2/18/2017 2:37:12 PM   
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16 October 1939

With the crisis past French troops withdraw from their very close collaboration with the British. The impressive squadrons of Char B1-bis that held off Germany came with a high price. France now I rejigging its economy to increase general war making capacity. The French Navy has reformed fleets of their own. The experience of close cooperation with the British Army and Royal Navy has benefitted all sides.

Germany continues its war, turned to the East now. The brave and skilled Czechs, undaunted by the loss of Prague, have captured Vienna. Their days are numbered however as masses of German and Italian troops head east. Speculation runs rampant that an invasion of the Soviet union is in the cards.

Meanwhile the Chinese-Npponese pact has opened up new possibilities for trouble in the Far East. Great Britain, France, and the United States have all warned this new Asian power that the existing order in Asia and Pacific waters is not subject to change. The USA has reinforced the Philippines. The Western Powers will not accept a permanent acquisition of China by Japan. This potential superpower must not exist.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 2/26/2017 7:04:35 AM   
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Just curious, is the latest save game correct? One for "Germany" is uploaded by Rufus, the player of Germany. Incorrectly named or am I missing something?

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 2/26/2017 2:31:33 PM   
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Rufus has busy weekends, and I think he did China, and paused to come back to Germany-Italy-Japan in a bit.

I hope this is correct.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 2/26/2017 2:57:48 PM   
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Rufus has gotten his Axis in shape, and the turn is ready for you, Power guy.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 2/28/2017 12:01:35 AM   
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1939, December.

Our forward elements on the front with Germany have noted a significant build-up of Axis forces. There has been no word from Berlin about this, and the Soviet forces are getting a little antsy that maybe the Germans aren't satisfied with the generous treaty line we provided them after the return of Polish lands to both our great nations.

In another disturbing report, it seems Japanese forces have begun to fill the once-empty borders in the Far East with combat troops. With the political situation there in absolutely chaos, we suspect this is just a natural defensiveness on the Japanese part, following the cessation of hostilities with China.

Russia is still convinced that the Japanese-China coalition will not violate the agreed upon borders. (This is Tortuga's understanding, at least.)

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 2/28/2017 2:02:46 PM   
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11 December 1939

France : The Ministry has begun to move French units into border positions. During the conflict with Germany and Italy, France built the needed armor which made Axis gains so difficult. Now we must catch up on infrastructure builds. We have reached a goal of having 100% utilization of the economy. The French Navy is moving large elements to the Far East.

Great Britain : The Chinese have decided on war with the Allies. They attacked at Hong Kong and moved an armored division to the outskirts of Hanoi. We counterattacked out of Burma and took Kunming, an important resource center. We also bombarded the thousands of Chinese troops surrounding Hong Kong. The British Army has a lot of experience fighting hordes, and the citizens of Hong Kong are not intimidated.

The Royal Navy is arriving in theater, and puts the Japanese on notice that no activity in support of Chinese aggression will be tolerated.

United States : The United States has joined the British at Hong Kong. Since the Chinese turned from the West to Japan we have been fearing this war. China is put on notice that the USN will continue air raids like the one outside Hong Kong, and as part of the Allied naval forces the USN will defend against any Japanese intervention. The Philippines are in a state of full alert.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 3/2/2017 9:08:18 AM   
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1940, January. Early part of month.

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is now at war. A surprise attack has come from our western border by the Germans. We should have expected no less from the fascists!

(Putting this comment up, but I'm mid-turn, and it may take a day or two to work through the action. I'll edit this with screenshots as I go.)


Pre-war border:




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As the new year ticked over, the Russian garrisons along the front were attacked in multiple locations. The Soviet troops dug-in to withstand the assaults, including preparatory artillery bombardments and bombing runs.
Map of attacks and bombardments along German-Soviet front:




Stalin was happy with the reports that the line only buckled and broke in two regions, while the rest of the Soviet troops stolidly held their ground. As soon as the initial fighting began, Stalin had immediately stated his intention to hold the lines exactly where they were, and not to give up any ground to the treacherous foe.
NOT ONE STEP BACK!




Still, the line was broken in two places due to overwhelming German numerical superiority.
Map of German attacks (yellow: defenders hold, red: defenders break)




The Soviet air force holds it head up high, as relatively old and obsolete fighters still inflicted several casualties on the infamous Ju-87B.
Loss chart for first air battle in Operation Barbarossa:




The next sets of air battles went significantly less in favor of the Soviet forces, as the BF-109Cs and Ds began flying escort missions. Check the end of German offensive total losses (below) to see.

At the end of the assaults, the casualties looked about even. Soviet troops were told to hold their ground, and did so at some cost. The artillery and support weapons suffered fiercely under waves of Junkers dive bombers.
Total losses, German initial offensive, early January 1940:




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That will conclude post #1. I will have post #2 up in a moment to catalog the offensive of the Soviet forces. Stay tuned! Should be up very soon. Thanks for your patience with my ever-lengthy turnaround time on the PBEM files.


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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 3/2/2017 2:01:33 PM   
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January 1940

Because of treaty obligations from our war with Germany and Italy, and because of the war against Japan the Western Allies will have to cheer you on from the sidelines.

We do wish the Soviet people well against this aggressor.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 3/7/2017 1:06:29 AM   
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Okay, I updated the last post. I am just about the save the final turn (check that production one more time!), and I'm also trying to get my whole turn copied out for a nice AAR here. Everything (next post and turn save in dropbox) will be done within 24 hours, and hopefully in the next 6 hours or so.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 3/7/2017 8:14:50 AM   
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Thank you so much for the detailed post. So often the fog of war obscures this huge battle.

Everything you can reveal will be well worth viewing.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 3/7/2017 9:42:06 AM   
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1940, January. Later part of month.

After the initial German surge, Soviet forces planned for an immediate counter-offensive. The main objective were the two regions lost to German attacks. It seemed very likely that these could be recovered.
The starting situation when the staff had time to evaluate the crisis:



In the above map, the front is color-coded by commander.
- Dark/navy blue: Commander Boris Shaposhnikov, the defense of the Baltic states territory (Latvia and Estonia)
- Fuchsia: Commander Semyon Timoshenko, defense of Northern Polish territory
- Yellow: Commander Grigory Kulik, defense of Southern Polish territory
- Blue: Commander Grigori Shtern, motorized reserve


The Kaunas-Bialystock breach was easy to retake, as the Germans had not yet pushed into the territory behind the Soviet retreat.

The Bialystock-Warsaw breach was another matter, being defended by four German armored divisions. It took a concerted effort from all flanks to push the Germans back. Timoshenko's armored division and fragmented units of the original defense made the hard push, supported by Kulik's motorized and anti-tank brigades in flanking maneuvers.

Map of the attacks:




During our reconnaissance of the front, Commander Shaposhnikov identified a rather under-strength garrison in Kaipeda; a chink in the German armor.
Map with known German forces and strength estimate:



Stavka immediately begin efforts to coordinate an attack on Kaipeda, but failed to muster the units from Timoshenko's (pink) HQ. Finally, artillery support from Timoshenko was secured (mainly as the Kaunas-Bialystock salient was easy to retake), and the attack was underway.

Only a week or so after the initial German invasion, Soviet troops were marching on Kaipeda with heavy armored support, as Shaposhnikov (navy blue) had access to many offensive units that had not yet assumed their appropriate position on the front (in the aftermath of the prepared invasion of Finland).

After a relatively short battle, Kaipeda is ours!


But when the Soviet troops' eyes behold Konisberg before them, sovereign German lands, HQs begin buzzing about. Does the offensive end here?



**OPERATION BALTIC BRUSH**

The plan was designed by Marshal of the Soviet Union, Georgy Zhukov. Not wanting to lose momentum, a massive multi-army attack was staged through Konisberg in an attempt push along the coast to Danzig.

With the support of Commander Shtern's motorized reserve to occupy defensive territory along the front around Bialystock, Timoshenko (pink) was able to free up additional forces for a continued offensive. The idea was to pierce as far along the right (northern) flank as possible, and, if possible, to capture Danzig before the German line could react.

Stealing the words from the Schlieffen plan, Zhukov declared "let the last man on the right brush the Baltic with his hand".



Heavy bombardment began on Konisberg, long a thorn in Russia's side, most recently in the First World War. As units from both sides began to fall back from the front under the heavy pressure of intense combat, it was a heroic and desperate last attempt from Shaposhnikov's armored division which took the city on one final attempt (on the last combat round!). The ecstasy of the Soviet troops (and their commander) was impossible to withhold!

The Battle of Konisberg was extremely fierce, and will no doubt be long remembered by the Soviet people. With the greatest jubilation, Soviet forces set foot on German soil. Konisberg is ours!


The push into the gap between Konisberg and Danzig met with only the lightest resistance. Unfortunately, the Soviet forces ran out of steam before being able to capture Danzig. One quick probing attack on the city limits was all that could be mustered of the tired troops.

Map of the turn:





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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 3/7/2017 9:53:01 AM   
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Danzig is a German city, producing units every bit as good as Berlin. The Germans will fight you hard for this city.

January 1940 will go down in the annals of the Red Army. Your grabbing opportunities when they appear seems to be a function of having reserves positioned to allow such exploitation.

You will surely have a big fight on your hands as the tip of your spearpoint will draw German attention.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 3/7/2017 5:49:17 PM   
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@Rufus,

If you could post too it would be great.

You can obscure sensitive data, but still give us an idea of your strategic posture. This could be a classic battle and all can learn from it.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 3/9/2017 2:40:51 AM   
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8 January 1940

Western Powers

The navies of many nations are heading to the Pacific to do battle with Japan. On land France and Great Britain have confronted the Chinese and their Japanese allies. Commonwealth and United States troops have attacked the forces surrounding Hong Kong. At sea Iwo Jima was taken and some IJN light forces and subs were attacked.

It will still take quite awhile for the western powers to bring their forces to bear on our enemies.

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RE: GD1938 Game 25 old VC - 3/28/2017 12:59:55 PM   
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This game is dead.
Pity.
One more game ended due to obviously missing interest of one player.

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