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RE: Disappearing Dutch Ship Wrecks - 11/17/2016 3:31:14 PM   
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On the "low background" issue, does this mean that iron ore processed today into steel will not be "low background"? Or that scrap is less expensive than "virgin", including "low background" scrap?


I was definitely talking to myself. As you all know, this gorn fellow is a nitwit and on occasion I must intervene.

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RE: Disappearing Dutch Ship Wrecks - 11/17/2016 3:51:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: geofflambert


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

On the "low background" issue, does this mean that iron ore processed today into steel will not be "low background"? Or that scrap is less expensive than "virgin", including "low background" scrap?


I was definitely talking to myself. As you all know, this gorn fellow is a nitwit and on occasion I must intervene.


I hear you.

And you.

And you too.

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RE: Disappearing Dutch Ship Wrecks - 11/20/2016 3:05:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		A big reason why the possible (probable) salvage is happening is that the steel on those wrecks would be "pre-trinity" steel which, I've been told is far more valuable then steel produced or exposed above sea level after the Trinity tests in July 1945.

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RE: Disappearing Dutch Ship Wrecks - 11/20/2016 12:43:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		If the salvage occurred because it is better steel, is this steel being used for a certain project.

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RE: Disappearing Dutch Ship Wrecks - 11/20/2016 4:10:34 PM   
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If the salvage occurred because it is better steel, is this steel being used for a certain project.

Scientific and medical instruments that measure radiation as part of their function do not want the metal they are made of to mess up their readings. When they split atomic particles to research quarks, they used battleship armour in the measuring chamber to reduce the chance that atmospheric radiation would mess up their experiments.

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RE: Disappearing Dutch Ship Wrecks - 11/21/2016 7:02:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		From reading the articles, they may be using explosives to tear apart the ships. Wouldn't this potentially set off munitions as well as cause further leakage of fuel that would have been an indication that this salvage was going on?

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RE: Disappearing Dutch Ship Wrecks - 11/21/2016 7:11:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pictures of rusting hulks I have seen show ammo heavily rusted and I think the impact type fuses are inoperable. It would take quite an explosion to breach the thick wall of a shell. Any cordite propellant would be dissolved away by now.

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RE: Disappearing Dutch Ship Wrecks - 11/22/2016 2:41:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The scuttled Imperial German Fleet is said to have been the largest accessible repository of this pre-atom steel. I gather they are still picking through that lot nearly 100 years later.

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RE: Disappearing Dutch Ship Wrecks - 11/22/2016 5:41:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		According to the Washington Post these are clear legal issues. Shipwrecks do belong to the original country. Indonesian citizens have no legal right to take possession of those shipwrecks. But it certainly looks like the poor local 'wreckers' have found a source of income and got away with it. The Indonesian government is put in an embarrassing position and I believe the world lost a little dignity for not respecting the sacrifice of these victims of war. As Mister Doorman phrased it, SAD.

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RE: Disappearing Dutch Ship Wrecks - 11/23/2016 4:03:17 PM   
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