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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 7:11:02 AM   
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Soviet Union
In the south the Black Sea Fleet is ordered to bombard the German panzer unit to the north of Sevastopol. Some success is achieved here.

The Soviets build 2 shock armies, an army and a garrison.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 7:22:07 AM   
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In Egypt the British can only sit and wait - as Sydney Youngblood once said. All MPP are used to bring the Aussies back up to an 8 strength and repair a couple of aircraft. There is nothing left for the navy.

United States
A message came up to say the US were preparing for war. I continue to build units - A destroyer is next up.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 7:25:31 AM   
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Well that's handy - the USA enters the war!

And the Soviets have a decision to make - would they like to start preparing for the defence of Leningrad by stockpiling supplies at Volkhov. Duh?.... that's a yes.





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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 7:35:36 AM   
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AI Turn
The Finns enter the war and the bullet proof Axis forces in North Africa take Cairo - in addition to their continuing to slice through the Soviet Union like a knife through butter.

Stavka Report
I am told to ensure the defence of Murmansk is not neglected. Yeah thanks for that....

But in better news, we understand the Japanese are not going to attack the Soviets in the East - which was nice.....




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 7:39:15 AM   
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Here is a summary of that awful turn




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 7:53:44 AM   
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Reinforcement time

United Kingdom
The British get some Maritime Bombers and and the Royal Engineers

Soviet Union
With the Crimea (including Kerch) likely to fall soon I place 3rd Army in the Taman Peninsula to try and stop the Germans from simply walking into the Caucasus.

I then make a mistake and put the 22nd Mechanised in Taganrog - right where its going to get destroyed - good one

16th Corps is used north of Voronezh to try and beef up the Don River line.

I put a sacrificial garrison in Bryansk as the Germans did not occupy it last turn. 4th Army is placed north east of Orel behind the river.

24th Corps is placed southeast of Rhzev, whilst the 1st Shock Army is placed in Moscow along with the Soviet tank reserves.

Finally, in the north 4th Corps is placed in Novgorod.

MPP Position

UK - 168
US - 297
USSR - 596




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 8:05:07 AM   
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The remnants of the British forces in Egypt retreat - or try to - into the Sinai. At least I don't have to waste MPP on this sorry bunch (they've all moved). Instead I repair what I can of the Royal Navy (although this is not much). General Guy Simmonds 2nd Canadian Corps is still in Canada as I do not have the MPP to move it....


The Italian 12th Army is officially re-named "The Captain Scarlet Division". Who needs panzers when your infantry (even the Italian infantry) is indestructible?



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 8:49:28 AM   
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Not sure how much the Suez should hold them up. I imagine IRL, if opposed, it would have been fairly significant at the southern sections especially.

Do you know why the AK (and Italians...) are not taking losses? For attacking into urban like Cairo I thought there would be decent penalties to inf and armour.

I'm guessing the numbers at the bottom right of the counters is applicable research, but not having the game I'm unable to interpret them. Are you significantly behind or unupgraded or something?


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 8:50:52 AM   
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United States Atlantic Fleet – Rear-Admiral David LeBreton
BB – New Mexico, Texas
BB – Idaho, Mississippi
BB – New York (Flagship) Arkansas
CA – 7th Cruiser Division (Wichita, Tuscaloosa, Quincy, Vincennes)
CL – 8th Cruiser Division (Philadelphia, Brooklyn, Savannah, Nashville)
DD – 3rd Destroyer Flotilla
DD – 4th Destroyer Flotilla
DD – 8th Destroyer Flotilla
CVL - 1st Escort Carrier Group

I have brought the US 1st and 2nd Armies, the 2nd Corps and the two fighter groups up to strength and will look to move these the turn after next (I will upgrade next turn).


Sing along all those of a certain age:
In the navy,
Yes you can sail the seven seas,
In the navy,
Er....yes, that's quite enough of that....



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 9:19:12 AM   
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Really enjoying this AAR. Hope you can turn it around!

Not sure how much the Suez should hold them up. I imagine IRL, if opposed, it would have been fairly significant at the southern sections especially.

Do you know why the AK (and Italians...) are not taking losses? For attacking into urban like Cairo I thought there would be decent penalties to inf and armour.

I'm guessing the numbers at the bottom right of the counters is applicable research, but not having the game I'm unable to interpret them. Are you significantly behind or unupgraded or something?


warspite1

Looking at the Italian unit, I don't think I am behind. However I am assuming that morale and readiness are part of the problem - as is the fact that the Luftwaffe are using supersonic jets (or it feels that way ).

I think my problem stems from not digging in in the Nile Delta from the word go. Although having my bottom handed to me does not feel great, its good in a way because if I was beating the AI (having never played one of these games before) then the AI would be pretty rubbish.


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 9:29:42 AM   
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The cruisers of the Black Sea Fleet continue to pound away at the Germans investing Sevastopol, while the newly positioned 3rd Army seeks to keep the Germans out of the Caucasus. I reinforce the defenders of the port back up to 10.


Crimea River (see what I did there? )



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 9:39:55 AM   
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In the north the seriously damaged Soviet battleships make for Kronstadt, but the Soviet submarines fall upon the German battleship Tirpitz. Two torpedoes strike the leviathan, but she remains afloat...




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 9:44:26 AM   
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In the centre (and north Ukraine) the Soviets at last are starting to get some reinforcement build up (rather than them being immediately destroyed). A shock army, an army and a corps are built this turn.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 10:02:56 AM   
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High level discussions are being held in Washington...the wonderfully titled Konstantin Umansky (Plenipotentiary Representative Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary) visits Cordell Hull, rather more simply the US Secretary of State, with a proposition. The negotiations are expected to be long, tortuous and drawn out as each side bargains for the best position:

Umansky: Can the US spare the peoples of the Soviet Union say 40 MPP per turn? This would be worth 80 MPP to us and give us an increase of 200 National Morale points per turn.

Hull: Yes, yes we can

Umansky: Thank-you. Fancy a pint?

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 10:18:20 AM   
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I've just had a message suggesting I should invest in spying and intelligence..... yeah right. Which MPP that I haven't got, shall I spend? and which desperately required military spending shall I cut back on if I did have any MPP available?

Rant Over

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 10:27:05 AM   
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AI Turn
That went as expected. The Mechanised unit I placed in Taganrog got creamed. Bloody stupid mistake

Speaking of bloody stupid - despite being fully aware that the Finns had come in on the side of the Germans, I neglected to take any precautions about Leningrad.

More of a surprise was Sevastopol - you know that fortress that held about for about 15 years against Manstein's 11th Army? Well it took three German units minus any air power about two turns to take the port.....




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 10:27:36 AM   
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Reinforcements

Soviet Union
3rd Shock Army is placed east of Leningrad, with 26th Army to the south.
2nd Shock Army is placed in front of Moscow
18th Army is placed in the forest north of Kaluga
16th Army is placed south of Voronezh
6th Corps is placed in the Don Bend east of Rostov





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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 10:41:57 AM   
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I think my problem stems from not digging in in the Nile Delta from the word go. Although having my bottom handed to me does not feel great, its good in a way because if I was beating the AI (having never played one of these games before) then the AI would be pretty rubbish.



Yeah, I feel the same way. Actually, this makes the AAR even more tense and interesting too.

As I never lost Egypt, I never saw how this is going to affect the rest of the war, but one thing should be a given: The Middle East must hold! For lack of better ideas, I guess I'd try to hold the Germans at the Suez (or rather the next city behind it) too, reinforcing via the Persian Gulf etc.

Leningrad has to be held too. It should be easy enough to keep the Fins from taking the fortified positions North of it. Also Narva should be held as long as possible. The German AI tries to take Moscow before the winter, so the fortified positions have to be manned. In the South you can give some more ground. Next year it will become clear if the Germans go for a Stalingrad-Caucasus offensive or rather keep trying in the North.

At least the bleakest times for the Allies (1941) should be over soon.

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I think my problem stems from not digging in in the Nile Delta from the word go. Although having my bottom handed to me does not feel great, its good in a way because if I was beating the AI (having never played one of these games before) then the AI would be pretty rubbish.



As I never lost Egypt, I never saw how this is going to affect the rest of the war, but one thing should be a given: The Middle East must hold! For lack of better ideas, I guess I'd try to hold the Germans at the Suez too, reinforcing via the Persian Gulf etc.

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Thanks. I already feel like my buttocks have been flailed with a cato-o-nine tails - that rubs vinegar in quite nicely


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 11:01:00 AM   
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Right. I'm in the mood to kick bottom.

Soviet Union
The game makers obviously have a sense of humour....(see the name of the Finnish corps). In memory of the brave men of the 44th and 163rd Divisions the Red Army will take revenge for this outrage. In a stupidly emotional move, the Soviets repair their two ageing battleships to the max. Next turn the Finnish II Corps is going to eat Soviet lead...

Meanwhile in the Baltic the Soviet sub was found by a German destroyer. An attack is too risky so, unable to reach port, the sub heads north to attack the convoy lines.


General Ostermann (Commander of the Karelian Army): My Marat, what big guns you have
Admiral Tributs: All the better for bombarding you with my dear general



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I think my problem stems from not digging in in the Nile Delta from the word go. Although having my bottom handed to me does not feel great, its good in a way because if I was beating the AI (having never played one of these games before) then the AI would be pretty rubbish.



As I never lost Egypt, I never saw how this is going to affect the rest of the war, but one thing should be a given: The Middle East must hold! For lack of better ideas, I guess I'd try to hold the Germans at the Suez too, reinforcing via the Persian Gulf etc.

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Thanks. I already feel like my buttocks have been flailed with a cato-o-nine tails - that rubs vinegar in quite nicely





But seriously: As you told us you didn't play this particular kind of game before, it's part of the normal learning curve. I've been playing those since the venerable "Storm across Europe" came out in the 1980ies and still SC WW2 managed to surprise me in some aspects.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 11:16:20 AM   
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The US upgrade their infantry and begin the process of doing the same to their fighters before running out of MPP.

United Kingdom
The Royal Navy send a newly repaired destroyer out to hunt for U-boats - with predictable results.... The British spend what they can on repairing naval units and begin the process of getting the Canadian tanks to this side of the Atlantic.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 11:27:03 AM   
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Who is your money on here?




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 11:44:35 AM   
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Soviet Union
Will Stalin stay in Moscow to lead the defence of the capital against the Nazis? Damn right he will! That answer is worth 5,000 National Morale points and a temporary 25% increase in the forces morale.


United States
Meanwhile, back at the ranch.......

I am being advised to get some relations going with Franco as the Clauillo is impressed with German performance in Egypt. President Roosevelt is a little non-plussed by this.

FDR: Relations with Franco? Sounds a bit saucy. But he's not really my type. Perhaps I should just offer some money instead?



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 11:45:33 AM   
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AI Turn
The RN and the desert force continue to take it from all sides - the German artillery in Egypt was able to smack my units to hell from a distance of about 100 miles. Harumph. However, the good news was that the Soviets only lost one garrison. Moreover, what does one do to get honours round here? Last turn 7th Corps, the defenders of Rzhev put in a fantastic defensive performance....

Less friendly was the damage to the Black Sea Fleet at the hands of the Axis air forces. Still, at least that left the ground troops alone...




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 11:46:08 AM   
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Reinforcements

Soviet Union
11th Corps is placed north of Rzhev in an attempt to hold the river line there.
10th Corps is placed in the forest between Kaluga and Tula
1st Guards Army are placed south of Rostov
8th Corps are placed in Kalinn
4th Shock Army are placed south of Leningrad
1st Shock Tank Army are placed south of Rostov
22nd Army is placed in front of Moscow

MPP
UK - 236
USA - 310
USSR - 687

The British break 200 MPP for the first time in ages!



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 12:05:49 PM   
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To the Game Designers: Love the little national symbols on the counters. Nice touch


[Adopts best Tommy Cooper voice]: A German, a Romanian and an Italian walk into a bar in Taganrog.....



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 12:13:58 PM   
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[Adopts best Tommy Cooper voice]: A German, a Romanian and an Italian walk into a bar in Taganrog.....


And there they encounter a Russian sailor?

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Boy, do I suck at this game or what? I use the Baltic Fleet's 12-inch guns to hammer away at the Finnish positions. I then launch three attacks - by the 26th and 2nd Shock armies and the Leningrad Militia..... the Finns are untouched while the Soviets are all depleted....

Elsewhere on the front I bring units back up to strength.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 12/4/2016 12:37:49 PM   
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Given the lesson in the north, I do nothing risky in the centre and just sit there and wait for Army Group Centre to attack. Again I reinforce what I can.




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