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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 12:20:41 PM   
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Thank-you. Although its on hold at the moment because I may have a fatal bug. I cannot move the Soviets into Eastern Poland and the program may not realise that Poland has surrendered? I have posted this in the main forum - let's hope its not a game breaker....

By any chance would Poland be considered a neutral country at this point (on the diplomatic screen)? Perhaps it is a matter of DOW Poland...

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Neutral? Poland was effectively wiped from the map.


Let me ask this: Did you try to advance to the next turn with your corundum? Curious if the Soviets could move into Eastern Poland then (next turn) or not.

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Not the next turn no.


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 12:23:47 PM   
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The Poles have recovered a little and are roughly in line with where they were last time.

The decisions re the French Communists and Finland are as before.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 12:30:56 PM   
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The MPP situation is different so I cannot buy the destroyer... I'll try and remember to do this next turn.



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 12:45:15 PM   
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Right a load of new stuff. The Germans did not take Warsaw but I assume that morale went to nil as the Poles surrendered regardless. This meant a whole load of new messages came up as follows:




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 12:46:25 PM   
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I also got this report




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 12:50:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the game is now sufficiently different to before that I now ignore the last couple of turns of the last game and just start from here.

The differences (at the same stage in the first iteration) are:

1. The British are a destroyer down
2. The Norwegians seem to be reacting badly to the 2nd Submarine Flotilla's presence
3. The British may have received less MPP (no other reason I could not buy the destroyer?).
4. The Poles have surrendered, the Soviets have taken Eastern Poland and Germany honours the Nazi-Soviet pact. This should have happened anyway.


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 12:57:16 PM   
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The 2nd Submarine Flotilla is moved away from the Norwegian coast.

United Kingdom/France
The 5 British/French ASW Flotillas patrol the convoy lanes

Soviet Union
The Soviet have occupied parts of Eastern Poland (this was done automatically - no input from me).



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 1:04:40 PM   
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There was also a different message re operation Peking.






Polish destroyers trying to reach UK.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 1:16:37 PM   
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There was also a different message re operation Peking.




Polish destroyers trying to reach UK.
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Yeah I got all excited when I saw that - but I don't think it has any game play effect. I did a word search in the manual but saw nothing.

EDIT: I am of course talking cobblers. I have just noticed a weak (5-strength) DD in Scotland The Polish Navy are here


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 1:22:41 PM   
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Beware it is very easy to buy research or something for someone other than who you intend.

So with their backs to the wall, every DD, every aircraft, every bit of key research and diplomacy vital, I research amphibious warfare and advanced aircraft with the British (thinking I had clicked the US )

France
The French build a Garrison and spend their remaining MPP on trying to bring units up to strength. They also move their units up to the border.

United States
The Americans research Command and Control and Infantry Warfare

Soviet Union
The Soviets have insufficient MPP to do anything meaningful this turn.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 1:27:56 PM   
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5th November 1939

Right a load of new stuff. The Germans did not take Warsaw but I assume that morale went to nil as the Poles surrendered regardless. This meant a whole load of new messages came up as follows:





I'm impressed that a game of this scale accurately models the impact of well trained salmon on the German war effort. Think how good things will be when you research how to smoke them ...

ok, I'll get me coat.

I had a different sequence with Poland (more as expected) but in my game the nasty German AI just stomped all over my defenders and took Warsaw directly.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 1:32:06 PM   
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5th November 1939

Right a load of new stuff. The Germans did not take Warsaw but I assume that morale went to nil as the Poles surrendered regardless. This meant a whole load of new messages came up as follows:





I'm impressed that a game of this scale accurately models the impact of well trained salmon on the German war effort. Think how good things will be when you research how to smoke them ...

ok, I'll get me coat.

I had a different sequence with Poland (more as expected) but in my game the nasty German AI just stomped all over my defenders and took Warsaw directly.
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Researching animal training is vital for the British first thing. Killer Cows, Attack Salmon, Guard Dogs, vaguely menacing Doormouse - the defence of the UK depends upon it....

I hadn't re-named the unit at that point. This is the 2nd Submarine Flotilla.


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 1:40:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Before we leave the 5th November I get a message that the Germans are celebrating the fall of Poland and the return of Danzig, while French morale suffers a drop. Well perhaps if Gamelin had had a plan for actually helping the Poles (rather than the half arsed 'operation' they did undertake, then Poland wouldn't have been crushed? Mmmmm? Just a thought....

The French are asked about putting the Spanish Republicans to use. I say yes as before.

Another decision then pops up. This is to do with forming a corps of Poles either in France or the UK. I go with the historic approach and go with France.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 1:46:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I could see nothing during the German turn other than one corps retreated from the new border with the USSR.

So its back to the Allies.

27th November 1939

Soviet Union
A decision is requested. This concerns Lithuania. Originally this (or part of it) was to be in the German sphere but was offered to the USSR in return for a revision of the new 'Polish' border.

I decide to take the Germans up on their offer as per historically.

United Kingdom
The Canadians have enough destroyers for a second flotilla - and this is placed in Halifax.

The RN belatedly build the destroyer they should have bought two turns ago. The BEF in France is brought almost up to full strength (although a 3rd and (hopefully) 4th Corps will arrive at some point).

France
The French are going entirely short term here and use all their MPP to reinforce their infantry units.

USA and the USSR
Both do nothing as they have insufficient MPP

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 2:07:32 PM   
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The Admiralty order the 2nd Submarine Flotilla back on patrol. In heading for Bergen they stumble across some German cruisers.


A slow moving German column are spotted off the Norwegian coast. HMS Oxley's commander Lt-Cdr Bowerman brings his boat into a perfect firing position. He orders 2 torpedoes to be fired at a German cruiser - believed to be of the Deutschland-class - and the German ship is struck amidships. Oxley dives as the German escorting destroyers start to fan out to find the enemy.



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 2:25:06 PM   
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The Soviets attack Finland

France
The French increase production

United Kingdom
The Germans suffer another naval loss when the Graf Spee is scuttled following an encounter with three British cruisers in the South Atlantic.

19th December 1939

France
The French build a garrison that they place in Nancy.

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 2:49:49 PM   
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The rationale for the Kriegsmarine's sortie is now apparent. The Graf Spee was looking to return to Germany and Admiral Raeder wanted to create a diversion. After the non-fatal torpedoing of Admiral Scheer, the mission was called off and the German squadron sought to return to Germany.

However they were picked up by other boats of the 2nd Submarine Flotilla and their position reported. Terminal damage was meted out to Scheer by HM Submarines Seahorse and Starfish. Meanwhile the Admiralty ordered the 1st Battlecruiser Squadron (Renown and Repulse) to sea, together with the 2nd Cruiser Squadron (Manchester, Southampton, Glasgow and Newcastle) from Scapa Flow. The recently arrived Polish Flotilla (Burza, Wicher, Grom and Blyskawica) was ordered from Rosyth to provide an ASW screen for the capital ships.

This was a risky mission as the ships are in range of German aircraft, but the total annihilation of the German Squadron (1 x PB 1 x CA 1 x CL and 4 destroyers) is a much needed boost to Allied morale.


Spot where the German Squadron used to be....



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 2:59:50 PM   
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The British spend their MPP on researching Ground Attack weapons, 50 MPP on diplomacy (trying to butter up the Spanish) and further BEF reinforcement.

France
More reinforcement of the army that will, no doubt, soon be facing the might of the German Army.

USA and USSR
No action



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 3:10:11 PM   
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Nothing much happening on the German turn except German raiders have attacked the Canadian convoy route .

Paratroopers have been located in Hamburg.

There was some movement at the front as no doubt the German Army are preparing to attack....

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 3:11:35 PM   
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At a cost of 50 MPP a new Polish 1st Corps will form at Le Mans. Yes please.

United Kingdom and France
After much wrangling and debate (well the war in Finland only started two months ago ) the British and French agree to send troops to Finland.

United Kingdom
Two destroyer flotillas (1st and 2nd) are built in Scotland and the III Corps is sent to Portsmouth.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 3:27:28 PM   
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The German submarine was only a few hexes from my destroyers. The flotillas fan out but are unable to relocate the enemy....


The German sub was spotted off the Newfoundland coast, but got away despite the attentions of British, Canadian and French flotillas.



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 3:38:57 PM   
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The British purchase a fighter and spend its few remaining MPP on strengthening their forces in Egypt.

France
More reinforcing of the army. Once this is done I can turn attention (hopefully) to upgrades.

United States
Research of Advanced Tanks begins

USSR
Nothing at present

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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 3:54:37 PM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/19/2016 7:22:25 PM   
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Nice AAR gotta buy this game keep up the great work,Hows the BEF looking? Are you planning anything but a token commitment to France

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Hi sapper32, here are the BEF. The level of commitment will depend on a) the amount of time Germany give me to build up and b) what I can realistically buy and still keep Egypt safe, sufficient aircraft and decent navy. Because I'm a noob I have no idea what is possible. I have two corps and a third (under-strength) in Portsmouth. I would like to get 4 corps if possible but.....





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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/20/2016 5:31:49 AM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/20/2016 6:16:01 AM   
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I thought the attack on France had started, but it looks like the Luftwaffe have just started the softening up process.

I went to the Reports screen to see what the French had lost but I would say the report appears pretty basic and I'm not sure exactly what it is telling me. What is clear is that the German attack did not cause any unit losses, but I cannot tell what reductions to unit strength were achieved. XI Corps north east of Verdun took a 1-point hit (which I know because I was watching the AI move) I know my fighters intercepted but I didn't know their starting strength so could not see what was lost.


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/20/2016 6:21:26 AM   
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The British celebrate the capture of the Altmark in Norwegian Waters (I do not know if this has a practical effect on the game (maybe the Germans will be keen to do something about Norway?).

Another 11 MPP are lost to the valiant efforts of the 2nd Submarine Flotilla.

United Kingdom
With the Germans starting to make their presence felt in France I think it vital I get another infantry corps to France to bolster the BEF. III Corps is in Portsmouth. To transfer I right-click on the unit and that puts the corps on a Transport (see below)


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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/20/2016 6:36:12 AM   
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III Corps is transported to Le Havre for a cost of 22 MPP and unloaded, whereupon the Transport Counter disappears again.




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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/20/2016 6:41:37 AM   
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After the recent foray off Denmark (a kind of Jutland II) I have a number of ships that could do with repairing; HM battlecruisers Renown and Repulse and HMS Manchester from the 2nd Cruiser Squadron. However, on the basis that I need to assist France, and that the Kriegsmarine should be quiet for a while, I ignore these needs and look elsewhere for spending my MPP. I do not spend any MPP this turn as I want to get some tanks to beef up the 3 infantry corps.

France
The French spend their MPP on bringing XI Corps back up to full strength, reinforcing their bomber group and upgrading their fighter squadrons. When upgrading the fighter unit a little number appeared in the bottom right. I cannot see what this is from the manual but hopefully its a way of being able to tell upgrade levels of units?

USSR
The Soviets research infantry warfare.


All Quiet(ish) On The Western Front



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RE: How the Axis could have won. Allied AAR RTW - 11/20/2016 6:45:25 AM   
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The Escort Flotillas continue their searching in the North Atlantic. Sadly I had moved all units except one - and the last one I moved came across the German U-boats. Unlike previous combat when I have come across subs, this time the combat took place immediately and the destroyers took a pasting. I have checked the manual but I cannot see what caused this. Whatever it was, the French 2nd Escort Flotilla has been badly mauled...


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