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ORIGINAL: Elessar2

That's what I figured your rationale is.

I wish manpower (and yes oil) was an actual parameter tho; while I can eventually prevail it's frustrating to keep killing the same USSR units, over and over; even if I've killed many in low supply (so full price buyback), next June they're all back on the map again.

Wouldn't there be a cost for building a synth oil plant?

Dreadnought-depends on what you want with it. If you mean super-BB's, in the Pacific it works fine, AI uses them just like regular battlewagons. If you mean the obsolete BB's that Germany had (+ France's, maybe roll Italy's in there too) not sure.

For World I can give you the US builds; I'll have to go and playtest the Japanese ones (haven't made yet), want them to pump out 2 fleet carriers per year.

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ORIGINAL: dhucul2011

Hi Crispy:

1. Understood on Romania. I think that some scripts hitting their morale when deep in Russia would be good as they really should be lower quality. Something like you have for late war German units deep in Russia? I would suggest hitting their morale and strength/supply when more than 20 hexes from Bucharest. Have a 10% chance per turn? This would offset the German techs that they have access to. I would actually suggest the same be done for Hungarian and Slovak units as well and also Bulgarian units. Bulgarian units should be when more than 10 hexes from Sofia.

It may be simpler to make Axis minor's "non-attachable" to German HQs? The problem with strength loses are what are they representing especially if they are not on the front line and could really feel off.

2. I will compile the A-Bomb scripts and send to you when I can. I tried to keep it simple. To do this I keep much of the decisions out of the players hands as it would otherwise require alot of nested DEs. October 1, 1945 a DE to ask the US player if they wish to transfer A-Bombs to Europe as they become available. (Set to one per month) YES costs MPPs and then November 1, 1945 if no units close to Hamburg then supply and strength scripts obliterate the city and continuing supply scripts keep it at zero. On December 1, 1945 if no units close then the bomb drops on Berlin. I have accompanying scripts to hammer NM of Italy and Germany. I also have checks to see if Axis minors withdraw from the war. This really gives a strong Germany until early 1946 to end the war which should be more realistic.

I look forward to seeing these.

3. In my current game its rather bizarre that Germany has conquered all of the USSR except for Perm in summer 1945, Syria is Axis, Iraq and Persia liberated and Turkey is still moving towards the Allies with diplomacy. I think that if Baku and Jerusalem fall then there should be a 20-30% move towards the Axis. If Moscow, Stalingrad AND Leningrad fall then another 10-20%.

It's difficult to counter diplomacy chits, there are already a number of "Turkey swings Axis" scripts based on strong results on the Eastern Front and Middle East. These additional swings may make it too easy for Turkey to just fall into the Axis camp during a Soviet steamroller.

4. Same situation as #3, USSR NM is still at 76%. If the three big cities fall there should be a NM drop. If Kubyshev falls another drop. USSR stuck on the Urals shouldn't be at 76%?

If my memory serves correct once a nation falls below 80% there are no longer any morale bonuses of any kind. So at 76% the Soviets are already in trouble. I assume you are playing AI so there morale is a bit inflated, but then again if you've had that success against the Soviets i'm not sure why they would need to weakened further.

5. Elessar stated that Germany does not have enough manpower. That is good. I still think there are a few too many armies. It should be a real struggle to garrison everything with German units. Maybe remove a few. The Axis need to depend on Slovak, Italian, Hungarian units etc.

I will probably be lowering the German unit counter slightly, most likely German Armies.

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ORIGINAL: fulcrum28

thank you for your reply.

1)unfortunately, i didnt take screenshots, but i guess it was during winter when moving units from Poland to France. (unless it was due to enemy strategic bombing, and if so it was so fast that I did not notice (?).

In that case it was definitely some bombing activity their is nothing implemented that would remove strength points from the Germans that early in the war.

2)I have another question regarding the implementation of Tank Armies.
What is the purpose/necessity to add them?We had tank divisions and corps, is it realistic to use now masses tanks in the form of tank armies.? It is not a criticism, just an honest question to learn the logic/reasoning.

They are not necessarily meant to be masses of tanks, (which is why my unit silhouettes were modded to show Tanks/Infantry instead of just Tanks) but rather the Tank Army and Panzer Army units that were on the Eastern Front. Without stacking in the game it allows for both sides to concentrate a hex with a powerful unit, a Soviet Tank Army for example would represent a Tank Corps as well as a Mechanized/Infantry Corps combined. These units are mainly going to prevalent on the Eastern Front. While there were no Tank Armies formed by the Western Allies historically they can still purchase them in 44' or later for balance and/or what "if" similar to how the Germans can build Carriers.

3)In your opinion, how does this game compare to "WarPlan"? I have played and enjoyed both. Do you feel that the SC game tends to accumulate units in some sectors of the front (specially Russian Front), while having other sectors without any units(?) (see for example your images during your last ARR of SW:WiE FWII in which you lost in 1946 against AI. In contrast, WarPlan keeps a thinner front line which is more or less regular along the front line. (Not sure either historically, how continuous was the Eastern front line in terms of units during war).

I have not had a chance to play War Plan yet thought it does look interesting, but because of that I can't readily compare. I will say that the AAR you are referring to was against the AI which creates a huge focus on the Eastern Front because the AI won't risk a half baked amphibious invasion of mainland Europe in many cases so it is not so much necessary to fully guard all fronts. In PBEM you have to be much more careful. As for the continuous front, it is my understanding that the Soviet defensive lines were pretty continuous but in constant retreat and in major sectors had a second line of reserves. I could be mistaken though!

The reasons for that "local" unit density/accumulation and uneven distribution is that SC uses rotation attacks rather than combined attacks of 2 or more units like WarPlan(?). And that in Warplan, all German units are corps rather than mixing with Armies, having more flexibility to spread units (?).

I wish I could comment more on the differences, but i'll have to defer until I try it.

I think both games are good and complementary, I would like to hear your comments on that.
Thanks again for great mod.

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ORIGINAL: fulcrum28

thanks for your replies.

I understand the concept of adding the Panzer Army to reproduce historical OoB. The following comments also apply to the case of infantry Armies.

SC3 uses a mixture of armies and corps armies, they have different strengths. Germany did not have many independent corps in the front line.They were always associated to an Army. This applies to both Infantry and Panzer armies. In my view, or at least the way I RP the game, I represent a full Infantry Army using the Army counter + two corps counters.

Let's say we focus on 6th German Army. This Army is composed by

Main 6th Army counter (typically represent 4 division + 2 reserve divisions attached to Army + HQ army artillery)
Plus
two corps:
XXI Inf. corps(3 divisions)
XXII Inf. Corps (3 divisions)

The reason that the main counter is Army and has larger strength is understood by assuming it includes the CORE of the army and it has attached most of the army reserves and artillery etc.
In front line, the main army CORE is always deployed in center, and the other two corps in the two flank, left and right.
I do also change the labels of the units manually so I can always keep them together as far as the operations allow it.

6th Amry -> 6th Army/ XX corps
XXI Corps -> 6th XXI
XXII Corps -> 6th XXII

By dong this, you can really have an acceptable representation of the German OoB and also it helps to cover the front lines similar to the historical version.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_battle_for_Operation_Barbarossa

A German army can actually be "deployed" in a large areas using the three counters. (o four dependeing the strength).

Now with the Panzer Army, I can imagine similar representation, with main counter as 1st Panzer army (4 divisions+ res. div. + support army artillery/AT etc), and one mobile panzer corps XXX (3 divisions) and one motorised/mechanised PzGrenadier Corps (3 divisions).

This matches my view. Just having panzer or infantry armies, and think they represent the entire army in one hexagon, it may be too much, maybe one army counter with that view would represent more than 10-12 divisions. Only ten Army counters would be Barbarossa (more than 120 divsions) and clearly by summing the corps, we have much more than ten counters in SC when we start Barbarrosa.

Operatively, it does not change anything, but this way allows me to be more immersed and "believe" that the mixture representation of Armies/corps has a solid operational and historical ground.

I love your mod, keep working on that :)

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ORIGINAL: crispy131313

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ORIGINAL: dhucul2011

Nice changes.

1. Turkey still needs some adjusting. Totally surrounded by Axis forces and Axis minors and they are still happy to move towards the Allies every turn. Again, if Baku falls to Axis it should move them quite a distance away from Allies.
2. Finland also needs some changes. If Allied/USSR troops within 5 hexes of Helsinki it should collapse. They are hanging on way too long. Not realistic?
3. The advice to the UK about Portugal appears at the end of the Axis turn and "Invest" needs to be capitalized. :)


Thanks!

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ORIGINAL: dhucul2011

Another one. The advice to the UK to overthrow Iraqi Ali pops up at end of Axis turn.

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ORIGINAL: Elessar2

Did you delete the East Africa one left over from Global? It was still there in your previous update.

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ORIGINAL: David Hansen

Thinking about giving this mod a spin in SP. Intermediate Axis player here...and with the plain vanilla I give the Allies the 20% boost to MPP. Before I plunge in a couple of questions:

*Are the major differences (Harder) in playing as the Axis with this mod?..should I continue to give the 20% MPP bump to the Allies?

*Are there major strategic factor differences for the Axis...timetables...theater of war impacts...ie Soviet Union?...I usually try/plan to kick Barbarrosa off by the first turn in May '41.

Basically, what are the major differences I should expect to experience as an Axis player?

TXS