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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/10/2017 5:51:52 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/12/2017 1:19:27 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/12/2017 2:16:23 PM   
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Be wary of getting trapped by the KB in those limited waters though...

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/12/2017 2:24:32 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/12/2017 2:38:38 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/12/2017 3:22:34 PM   
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Well Done!

Be wary of getting trapped by the KB in those limited waters though...


My CVs are ordered to "aggressively advance towards Colombo"


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/12/2017 8:24:49 PM   
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Logistics:

Only now I realize the acute lack of Allied escorts. Japanese subs can hunt with impunity until I organize my convoys, which will take 1-2 months. I am separating my transports by class, based mainly on endurance. The Allied merchant fleet starts with a capacity of roughly 1,5 million tons and I intend to use all of it. Everything that arrives later as reinforcements will be held as a reserve or to transport troops.

I 'll keep convoy routes to me, but I can tell you my 6 months projection.

Supplies hauled:
NoPac 0,75M
CenPac 0,6M
SoPac 80k
SwPac 1M
SE Asia 1,5M

Fuel hauled:
NoPac 0,45M
CenPac 0,65M
SoPac 70k
SwPac 1M
SE Asia 1,75M

Advice from AFBs is most welcome. Are these values enough for early '42?


Coming late to the party, but I can tell you are someone with experience playing as Japan. The smart Allied player plans his logistics in advance, and makes smart choices about how he husbands his early war transports; however, as someone who has only played the Allies in a number of PBEMs, I have to say, I have never calculated in this great detail the actual amount of supply I am sending in the first year of the war.

The only exception being--you have to pay very close attention to Australia. It might be worth your while (for future reader's benefit as well as yours), to shut down some, or all, of your HI in Australia if you have not already done so and just ship in supply until your capacity to ship fuel increases.

As someone else has commented, as the Allies you literally have infinite supply being generated at the edges of the map, and you have the assets you need to keep Australia supplied. If you leave some of the HI in Australia on, you'll need to be careful that you're shipping enough fuel, otherwise the HI will eat all of the fuel in Australia right under your nose.

Nothing is worse than having shipping stuck in Australian ports because your industry has eaten all the fuel!

Other than that, by in large, even with an intense IJN sub campaign, it's going to be very hard to supply starve the Allies in areas where it wouldn't be starved from to the proximity to IJA LBA or because it's an area where the IJN (and the KB) can operate freely anyway.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/12/2017 8:45:32 PM   
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Personally I never turn off the HI, but instead make a concerted effort to get lots of fuel there, using New Zealand as the hub.

If you set up CS convoys from EC to Cristobal you can turn Cristobal into a hub and then run fuel and supply form there to Auckland.

From Auckland I distribute to SoPac and Australia.

The convoys enter due east of Auckland and run along the lower map edge, usually far away from Japanese raiders.

I also set up CS convoys from EC to Capetown and use it as a distribution hub as well, bring fuel to Perth and Melbourne.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/14/2017 4:25:50 AM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/14/2017 2:43:30 PM   
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Coming late to the party, but I can tell you are someone with experience playing as Japan. The smart Allied player plans his logistics in advance, and makes smart choices about how he husbands his early war transports; however, as someone who has only played the Allies in a number of PBEMs, I have to say, I have never calculated in this great detail the actual amount of supply I am sending in the first year of the war.

The only exception being--you have to pay very close attention to Australia. It might be worth your while (for future reader's benefit as well as yours), to shut down some, or all, of your HI in Australia if you have not already done so and just ship in supply until your capacity to ship fuel increases.

As someone else has commented, as the Allies you literally have infinite supply being generated at the edges of the map, and you have the assets you need to keep Australia supplied. If you leave some of the HI in Australia on, you'll need to be careful that you're shipping enough fuel, otherwise the HI will eat all of the fuel in Australia right under your nose.

Nothing is worse than having shipping stuck in Australian ports because your industry has eaten all the fuel!

Other than that, by in large, even with an intense IJN sub campaign, it's going to be very hard to supply starve the Allies in areas where it wouldn't be starved from to the proximity to IJA LBA or because it's an area where the IJN (and the KB) can operate freely anyway.


I would agree the watch Australia and get all the fuel and supplies you can there early. Also turn off the Heavy Industry in both OZ and New Zealand so your fuel and go to the fleets. In my current game I moved a large amount of supply early to Australia and it was very handy when he landed and I needed to base the heavy bombers there.


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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/19/2017 4:46:44 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/20/2017 9:50:30 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/22/2017 8:19:25 AM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/22/2017 10:40:02 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/23/2017 9:42:07 AM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/23/2017 10:07:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well done, but Mr Kane has paid for taking a massive risk there.

And why?

If he looks long term, then he's going to be able to put pressure on Burma from two fronts, and there isn't much you can do about that in 42

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/23/2017 11:30:34 AM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/23/2017 12:39:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		If he makes India his entire focus you will have to prepare a "Fortress Karachi" and "Fortress Bombay" defence. Saw that happen in a game about a year or two ago (not the Greyjoy rookie game - another one against an experienced allied player).
But you are hurting him quite badlyfor this stage in the war so I think you can defend the Imphal area for now.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/23/2017 3:16:31 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/23/2017 3:31:43 PM   
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If he makes India his entire focus you will have to prepare a "Fortress Karachi" and "Fortress Bombay" defence. Saw that happen in a game about a year or two ago (not the Greyjoy rookie game - another one against an experienced allied player).
But you are hurting him quite badly for this stage in the war so I think you can defend the Imphal area for now.


I think I remember that game. I also think of the Greyjoy vs Mr Kane game, which ended with a full scale India invasion by Mr Kane and the capitulation of the Allies in 1942, iirc.




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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/23/2017 5:48:43 PM   
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If he makes India his entire focus you will have to prepare a "Fortress Karachi" and "Fortress Bombay" defence. Saw that happen in a game about a year or two ago (not the Greyjoy rookie game - another one against an experienced allied player).
But you are hurting him quite badly for this stage in the war so I think you can defend the Imphal area for now.


I think I remember that game. I also think of the Greyjoy vs Mr Kane game, which ended with a full scale India invasion by Mr Kane and the capitulation of the Allies in 1942, iirc.




I think it was early '44 GJ capitulated ...

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/23/2017 6:07:12 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 10:29:07 AM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 11:11:31 AM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 12:49:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great shades of Greyjoy! That is a bold surprise for early 1942! I bet those South Pacific islands do not look so attractive to him now!

Too bad you did not have enough ships to lift the Air Support too. I like to assign the Aviation Base Forces that have nothing but Air Support so there will be some loaded no matter what.

Hope you can keep your lodgement, but if it fails it will have disrupted his plans and tied down his forces for months. Perhaps keep a few small cadres of the important units behind for rebuilding.

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 1:57:34 PM   
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But it will give you time elsewhere, which is great!



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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 3:47:14 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 5:32:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Serious questions incoming (and keep in mind I only have experience with the game through October 1942) that are of great interest to me as an Allied player.

1. At this point in April 1942, do you have the strength to put up much of a fight if the KB and IJN concentrate in the area?

2. You've got 150k captured supply across multiple islands. Is that enough to build the airfields, repair the airfields, and keep your troops fed?

3. If your opponent concentrates to counter you here, can you actually keep supply going in to these islands 2+ months out?

4. In April 1942 Japanese air power is more than an over match for you, or it should be. What are the chances he can evaporate those supplies via bombing?
4a. Related: assuming you get those aviation support units in, once your opponent has good pilots and air units concentrated in the area, what is the likelihood that you can actually sustain a cap over the islands?
4b. Are you able to rotate fighters in and out through the air?
4c. What is the soonest you can realistically use the bases to sweep and strat bomb Japan?

5. Did any of your invasions trigger the Japanese emergency reinforcements? If so, what exactly is he getting and how will that impact you (here or elsewhere?)

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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 5:32:31 PM   
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RE: Mr Kane (J) vs Olorin (A) - 1/24/2017 5:33:19 PM   
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Toyohara is a huge blow - that's aircraft production that Kane no longer has. Great job.


What happens to those factories if he retakes the it?

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