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RN Carriers - 12/6/2016 9:01:55 PM   
geoffreyg


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Status: offline 		Playing as the Japanese I understand that 3 RN carriers appear as reinforcements in 1942 and HMS Victorious in Feb 1943.
However I think some then get withdrawn and I wondered when this occurred and when they returned.
Many thanks in advance.
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RE: RN Carriers - 12/6/2016 9:21:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ships appear and are withdrawn as they did in the actual war. This game only reflects to Pacific Theater and not the other areas. The other areas needed ships too, so when units in the Pacific where actually recalled to other duties in the Atlantic or Med, so too in the game are such ships withdrawn and/or reappear when released from other theaters on the historic date those ships were actually released. It is the developers attempt to reflect actual events in other theaters of war.

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RE: RN Carriers - 12/6/2016 10:47:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the question was "when do they withdraw"?
I don't know because I do not allow withdrawals in my game.

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RE: RN Carriers - 12/6/2016 11:15:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is correct.
I personally didn't like this approach, because I always believed that the RN CV's reassignment was very much due to the reduced threat after the Battle of Midway.
Game-wise, it never made good sense to me to have them withdraw at historical dates that could not be tied to historical conditions.
So in my mod I kept them around until later 1943 - when the RN BB's start to withdraw...when there would be an ample supply of USN CV's available.
But in my 'Bare-Bones' version I kept the games' historical withdrawal dates...for players who like stock.


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ORIGINAL: dr.hal

Ships appear and are withdrawn as they did in the actual war. This game only reflects to Pacific Theater and not the other areas. The other areas needed ships too, so when units in the Pacific where actually recalled to other duties in the Atlantic or Med, so too in the game are such ships withdrawn and/or reappear when released from other theaters on the historic date those ships were actually released. It is the developers attempt to reflect actual events in other theaters of war.



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RE: RN Carriers - 12/7/2016 2:04:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		If nobody provides a quick answer, one way is to check the scenario's database through the scenario editor and try to find those ships. It might be a bit time consuming, but possible.

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RE: RN Carriers - 12/7/2016 2:56:22 AM   
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If nobody provides a quick answer, one way is to check the scenario's database through the scenario editor and try to find those ships. It might be a bit time consuming, but possible.

Cheers,
CC

Or just start a game as the Allies and find the ships in the reinforcement queue - then find their withdrawal date.
Note though that against a PBEM opponent this would be getting data that the Japanese did not have IRL, so it is somewhat gamey.
The case for doing it says that any Japanese player who played as the Allies previously would have this info, so why shouldn't other IJ players.

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RE: RN Carriers - 12/7/2016 4:08:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

If nobody provides a quick answer, one way is to check the scenario's database through the scenario editor and try to find those ships. It might be a bit time consuming, but possible.

Cheers,
CC

Or just start a game as the Allies and find the ships in the reinforcement queue - then find their withdrawal date.
Note though that against a PBEM opponent this would be getting data that the Japanese did not have IRL, so it is somewhat gamey.
The case for doing it says that any Japanese player who played as the Allies previously would have this info, so why shouldn't other IJ players.



As an honorable opponent, I had never opened the game as the Japanese until my PBEM against ChezDaJez was finished. I did not want to have any extra knowledge about his OOB than I had accumulated through a lifetime of reading about (and playing in various games) the Pacific Theater.

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RE: RN Carriers - 12/7/2016 2:32:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		The one break the Allies get in this regard is the CVL Hermes. Because it was sunk historically, it isn't in the withdraw list, so -- if it doesn't meet its historical fate -- the Allied player gets to keep it in service forever. But it is a very small carrier with sharply limited capacity. Still, anything is better than nothing. The other Brit carriers do withdraw at various points during 1942 and very early 1943.

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RE: RN Carriers - 12/7/2016 7:35:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

If nobody provides a quick answer, one way is to check the scenario's database through the scenario editor and try to find those ships. It might be a bit time consuming, but possible.

Cheers,
CC

Or just start a game as the Allies and find the ships in the reinforcement queue - then find their withdrawal date.
Note though that against a PBEM opponent this would be getting data that the Japanese did not have IRL, so it is somewhat gamey.
The case for doing it says that any Japanese player who played as the Allies previously would have this info, so why shouldn't other IJ players.



As an honorable opponent, I had never opened the game as the Japanese until my PBEM against ChezDaJez was finished. I did not want to have any extra knowledge about his OOB than I had accumulated through a lifetime of reading about (and playing in various games) the Pacific Theater.


Yeah, I don't look at the Japanese OOB during a game but have looked at it many times in the past ten years and know it well enough. That said, I have no objection if my opponent does so. I don't think someone who does not have a solid historical background should be punished and the Allies (at least) had a pretty good picture of what was coming from the Japanese. Look away. I don't care. Only objection is if my opponent is looking at the schedule with plans of intercepting a key reinforcement and sink it. But if this happened at the board edge, the game would end.

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RE: RN Carriers - 12/8/2016 3:03:33 AM   
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RE: RN Carriers - 12/8/2016 7:54:12 AM   
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"when we quit due to the massive alien abduction of one third of our pilots"


Like this???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0bBUmZHb8o

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RE: RN Carriers - 12/8/2016 7:57:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Many thanks for the above responses - some interesting points made.

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RE: RN Carriers - 12/8/2016 7:10:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: geoffreyg

Playing as the Japanese I understand that 3 RN carriers appear as reinforcements in 1942 and HMS Victorious in Feb 1943.
However I think some then get withdrawn and I wondered when this occurred and when they returned.
Many thanks in advance.


They wont be asking for this one back...

Allied Ships
DD Nizam
CV Indomitable, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
CL Glasgow

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