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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/19/2016 7:01:56 AM   
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Decision Time
The British and French have been asked if they want to send a force to Narvik. Because of the bug in place at present I have said no. I will need to decide what to do with these units.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/19/2016 7:07:02 AM   
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Italy join the Axis - although they have not as yet made their presence felt in either the Mediterranean or North Africa.

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Decision Time
Do the British want the Australian and New Zealand divisions rushed to Cairo or to wait until they are fully up to strength? Late 1941 is totally unrealistic as a time to wait and I have to say yes to bringing them to Egypt ASAP.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/19/2016 7:10:49 AM   
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I could do without using 60 MPP but I just don't want the hassle of having a problem in East Africa. The answer is yes.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/19/2016 7:12:41 AM   
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I will try and get these units employed usefully as soon as I can think of something - although frankly for all the good they will do I will probably be better off leaving where they are at present, and the MPP saved can be used to re-build.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/19/2016 7:14:28 AM   
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Reinforcements

United Kingdom
IX Infantry Corps arrives in the UK

MPP Expenditure

UK - The British spend their MPP on strengthening units and upgrading their navy.
France - The French strengthen their air force, the Lille Garrison and the Belgian Army defending Brussels.
USA - The US research Infantry Warfare.
USSR - They do not spend their 51 MPP




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/19/2016 5:46:03 PM   
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I am not completely sure of the situation in Norway.

But it seems to me that the only realistic route, at the moment, from Finland back to UK and France would go through the Baltic sea. So should not the event read that the expedition corps was lost trying to return? At least a part of it.

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/19/2016 5:55:35 PM   
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I am not completely sure of the situation in Norway.

But it seems to me that the only realistic route, at the moment, from Finland back to UK and France would go through the Baltic sea. So should not the event read that the expedition corps was lost trying to return? At least a part of it.
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Its a reasonable point to make Ormster - after all the Soviets took the only real port in the north.....


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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/19/2016 6:33:42 PM   
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And so as we prepare for the dawning of a new day, this is the position in France.....


[French Soldier 1] "The German Army is coming!"
[French Soldier 2] "Relax, we'll be fine. We'd only have something to worry about if we were commanded by a doddery old fool who is situated a thousand miles behind the front, without access to a radio and who is 100% confident that the pace of modern armies hasn't increased since WW1"
[French Soldier 1] "Merde!!!!!!!!"



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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/19/2016 8:10:10 PM   
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I thought I was better prepared this game compared to the last, especially when it took two turns for the Germans to take out the Dutch. However looking at the German progress last time, they are only very slightly behind their previous schedule - and I just can't seem to do anything about Axis air power.

In Belgium the full strength 10-point army was whittled down to 2 points before the army even got started. Brussels was then quickly occupied and the 'fortress' of Eben Emael followed straight after.

The main thrust of the German attack appeared to be with Bock's Army Group in the north. 8th and 10th Army have appeared north of the Somme, flanking an attack by IV Corps which smashed into the junction between the BEF and the French 7th Army, badly mauling the BEF in the process.

But I see that German panzer formations have swung south, no doubt to exploit the open ground between the Meuse and the Marne following the destruction of the Sedan Garrison. XXVII Corps have occupied Verdun and there is every likelihood once more that the French forces in the Maginot Line will simply get by-passed and be of no use whatsoever in the battle for Paris.

I think I have little option but to start withdrawing these units already.


There may be trouble ahead...the pitiful plight of the refugees streaming away from the fighting does not make the Allied armies job any easier (top right). Meanwhile the German juggernaut steams on toward Paris (bottom right)
Note: This picture is taken after the reinforcement phase, thus the French tank unit has only just arrived and not available for use this turn.



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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 4:38:59 AM   
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France

In the south Axis air power has helped deplete the Algerian Corps in Nice and a breakthrough there seems likely. The French Navy is off Tunisia ready to pounce on any Italian reinforcement to North Africa - I am going to move them north - if only to give the Italian air force something else to shoot at.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 4:54:16 AM   
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A summary of the situation

In other news: the Germans have moved their iron ore convoy further south. I am going to bring the navy back and ensure they are all upgraded before sending them out again.

The U-Boats have attacked in the North Atlantic but I cannot see the little ? to say where.....




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 5:15:45 AM   
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Yes ladies and gentlemen, Winston Spencer Churchill is back and he has a new record to mark the occasion. Buy the smash hit single 'Without Me' and celebrate Winston's homecoming. The single is now available from all good record stores price 3'6.

Guess who's back, back again
Winston’s back, tell a friend
Guess who's back,
guess who's back,
guess who's back,
guess who's back
guess who's back
Guess who's back...

I've created a monster, 'cause nobody wants to
see Neville no more they want Winston he's chopped liver
well if you want Winston, this is what I'll give ya
a lot of fine speeches mixed with some hard liquor
some whisky that'll jumpstart my heart quicker than a
shock when I get shocked at the hospital by the doctor when I'm not cooperating
when I'm rocking the table while he's operating (hey!)
you waited this long now stop debating 'cause I'm back,
I'm in the cabinet and war dictating
I had a prob with my job thanks to Gallipoli but thats in the past and not complicating
So His Maj the king will now let me be or let me be me so let me see
Haters tried to shut me down but Downing St it feels so empty without me
So come on Adolf, my bum on your lips **** that,
*** on your lips and some on your **** and get ready 'cause this ****’s about to get heavy
I just settled all my past issues
**** YOU ADOLF!

Any similarity with Eminem's Without Me is entirely coincidental



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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 5:52:31 AM   
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Decision Time. I say yes given what I know about the strength of the Italian Navy.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 5:58:05 AM   
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Decision Time II. WSC's first action is to order, at a nominal cost, the occupation of Iceland. Winston thinks it would be a good idea, for when our troops are over there, to teach them to play football. "It will be good for the islanders and no detriment to us, after all they will never be a threat to us in a major football tournament".......




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 6:06:20 AM   
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Decision Time for the Soviets too. Do they want to prepare the Red Army to fight more effectively in the snow? Well let me see....

- it took about 5 months to defeat the tiny Finnish Army
- the Red Army got its bottom well and truly kicked in the Karelian Isthmus
- the performance at Suomussalmi made the rest of the campaign look like a model of military efficiency

....er I think we should probably say yes.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 6:12:10 AM   
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Reinforcements

United Kingdom
The No.12 Fighter Group arrives near Oxford

France
The French tanks arrive.

MPP Expenditure

UK - The British reinforce the BEF, a couple of units in the desert and upgrade the new HQ. Its all very hand to mouth....
French - The French upgrade their fighters and strengthen a couple of corps and one army.
USA - The US invest in ASW
USSR - Nothing. Even with the MPP so far saved, they only just get into positive territory, so will not be buying anything.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 7:06:07 AM   
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Research

United Kingdom
The UK is almost at the max on its research (1,975 vs 2,000 allowed) and so cannot research anything new until something runs off. Advanced Tanks at 73% is the closest with Infantry Weapons at 64% next up.

France
The French are investing in nothing based on the fact that they would be unlikely to get anything before they are defeated.

USA
USA have plenty of slack - they are using 1,625 out of their 2,750 allowance. Only Naval Weaponry, at 62%, is anywhere close.

USSR
Only three items under research - advanced aircraft at 70% is the closest but Infantry Weapons is only at 29%.....




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 7:31:19 AM   
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France
The French Navy, combined now into one fleet - Force du Raid, under Admiral Gensoul - decide that they would be better employed trying to get at the Italian air force rather than lying in wait for convoys that may never appear.

Unaware of where the bombers are based (I thought they were further south ) Genoul sends his cruisers on a scouting mission along the Italian west coast. Having wasted precious fuel looking too far south, Gensoul's light cruisers eventually spot the airfield north of Florence. The battleships Provence, Lorraine, Dunkerque and Strasbourg pound the aircraft on the ground, inflicting some damage upon the Regia Aeronautica's bomber squadrons.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 7:48:34 AM   
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So the Royal Navy decides to send two old R-class to the French coast to bombard the German forces opposite the British sector. The XVIII Corps is occupying Calais - the perfect target. The combat indicator is 1:2. HM battleships Revenge and Royal Oak lay down a carpet of 15-inch shells...

...the result is 2:0. Seriously?

The French decide to hold onto the Maginot Line for one more turn and see what happens.....




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 8:20:34 AM   
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As can be seen, whilst I don't think I am doing that much better than before, I do at least seem to be hurting the Germans. 9th Army has almost been wiped from the OOB, but in taking Rheims the German IV Corps has been hit hard. 21st Corps in Verdun and 3rd Army, opposite the British, have also taken some casualties.

The BEF still holds station on the west bank of the Somme, although the French 7th army looks very exposed on their right flank. Some big decisions for the French High Command now. Do they counter-attack or try and hold where they are?

On the flip side, the RAF once again just gets creamed - and the French fighters have been almost equally savaged. The Royal Navy too have been dealt a blow with the loss of HMS Revenge and HMS Royal Oak to a couple of German divisions.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 8:50:03 AM   
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So the Royal Navy decides to send two old R-class to the French coast to bombard the German forces opposite the British sector. The XVIII Corps is occupying Calais - the perfect target. The combat indicator is 1:2. HM battleships Revenge and Royal Oak lay down a carpet of 15-inch shells...

...the result is 2:0. Seriously?


Don't bombard towns unless you're heavily upgraded.
I don't do that at all in the early game.
You can bombard units, but it usually ends up 0:0.
Just park the both of them(with air cover) next to the harbour in the Netherlands to keep supply down.


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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 11:12:28 AM   
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Apart from that, love the humor you put in these Warspite!

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 11:14:33 AM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 6:51:42 PM   
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Italy
The good work by the French Navy has stopped the Regia Aeronautica from getting involved in the march to the west. However, the Italian Army appears able to roll all before them regardless which is a tad annoying in good defensive mountainous country. Nice falls to the Italian Panzerini Army without suffering a loss.....of course....

North Africa
The Italian 10th Army, under Marshal Rodolfo Graziani, crosses the border into Egypt. I cannot see what has crossed and in what strength - and nor do I intend to go looking at present.

North Atlantic
The U-Boats run silent, run deep again after their brief foray. The British I believe caused some loss to the Iron Ore convoy but I cannot call up the summary (that happens if you save the game, close, and the re-open; Hotkey l does not work...




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 7:17:26 PM   
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North Africa The Italian 10th Army, under Marshal Rodolfo Graziani, crosses the border into Egypt. I cannot see what has crossed and in what strength - and nor do I intend to go looking at present.

Maybe you should send the RN and scout the Italian forces. Maybe there is an opportunity to encircle the Italians and then eliminate them before the German units arrive. Might be nice to begin the defence of Egypt in Tobruk...

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 7:21:01 PM   
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North Africa The Italian 10th Army, under Marshal Rodolfo Graziani, crosses the border into Egypt. I cannot see what has crossed and in what strength - and nor do I intend to go looking at present.

Maybe you should send the RN and scout the Italian forces. Maybe there is an opportunity to encircle the Italians and then eliminate them before the German units arrive. Might be nice to begin the defence of Egypt in Tobruk...
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I tried that in the last game. The Regia Marina has all its battleships and took the **** out of the RN. My troops couldn't even slightly hurt the Italians before the Germans arrived and swept me off the continent. I'm not doing that again.


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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 7:22:27 PM   
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North Africa The Italian 10th Army, under Marshal Rodolfo Graziani, crosses the border into Egypt. I cannot see what has crossed and in what strength - and nor do I intend to go looking at present.

Maybe you should send the RN and scout the Italian forces. Maybe there is an opportunity to encircle the Italians and then eliminate them before the German units arrive. Might be nice to begin the defence of Egypt in Tobruk...
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I tried that in the last game. The Regia Marina has all its battleships and took the **** out of the RN. My troops couldn't even slightly hurt the Italians before the Germans arrived and swept me off the continent. I'm not doing that again.


Then use the French ships to lay a trap for the Italian fleet?

Edit: Didn't the RN suffer losses due to shore bombardment before engaging the Italian fleet? If your fleet is full strength and reinforced with a couple of French ships should not the chance of crushing the Italian fleet be decent?

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 7:24:21 PM   
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North Africa The Italian 10th Army, under Marshal Rodolfo Graziani, crosses the border into Egypt. I cannot see what has crossed and in what strength - and nor do I intend to go looking at present.

Maybe you should send the RN and scout the Italian forces. Maybe there is an opportunity to encircle the Italians and then eliminate them before the German units arrive. Might be nice to begin the defence of Egypt in Tobruk...
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I tried that in the last game. The Regia Marina has all its battleships and took the **** out of the RN. My troops couldn't even slightly hurt the Italians before the Germans arrived and swept me off the continent. I'm not doing that again.


Then use the French ships to lay a trap for the Italian fleet?
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a) they are in the south of France trying to assist the Armee des Alpes from being splattered.

b) if they get slaughtered I simply hasten the end for France as the National Morale nosedives.


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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 7:27:21 PM   
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Decision Time. The Soviets are asked if they want to continue exercising their rights under the Nazi-Soviet pact. Stalin of course says yes. Hitler, doesn't bat an eyelid about the Baltic States, but Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina give him pause for thought. The Soviets are getting too close to Ploesti....

Hitler of course does not nothing directly, but behind the scenes his mind starts working feverishly away at the Balkan situation.....




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/20/2016 7:37:22 PM   
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British morale suffers a dip (still at 103% though) with the loss of Belgium - but should be restored with the locking up of Oswald Mosley. Go on - you all know the football chant*:

[Directed at Mosley]
**** Adolf Hitler,
You're just a **** Adolf Hitler
**** Adolf Hitler.
You're just a **** Adolf Hitler

* My fave was Spurs fans signing it to Nani with Michael Jackson replacing Adolf Hitler




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