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How is the AI at this point? - 12/28/2016 3:23:04 AM   
aster

 

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Status: offline 		I'm highly interested in purchasing this game, but the last SC game (Global Conflict Gold) I played had some pretty bad AI glitches. As a primarily single-player, I'm holding off my next strategy game for something with a standout computer opponent.

Since it's fairly early since the release, I'm wondering if SCWW2 is there yet - any thoughts?
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RE: How is the AI at this point? - 12/28/2016 6:34:50 AM   
n0kn0k

 

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Status: offline 		An AI will always have some "odd" moves or aspects that can be taken advantage off, but this is the best A.I. sofar in the SC series.
Check out some of the YouTube movies. It actually does invasions as the Axis and allies pretty well.
I've had some nice games vs the AI sofar. Won them all, but I've been playing since SC1.

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RE: How is the AI at this point? - 12/28/2016 6:47:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Only one dumb and one strange move so far:

Dumb: The Italians have already lost a portion of their fleet so need to be careful. For no apparent reason a CA sailed to Alexandria where the whole Med Fleet is stationed....

Strange: The Italians declared war on Greece (I think in autumn/winter of 1940) and then did....... nothing. Knowing this is possible I will have an Engineer to hand to build up defences around Athens.

Given I am well into my second game, this doesn't seem to be too bad at all. Generally attacks are co-ordinated by the AI for maximum effect, making use of air, infantry, artillery and tanks.

The AI best the **** out of me in my first game

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RE: How is the AI at this point? - 12/28/2016 3:21:50 PM   
bo

 

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Status: offline 		Hi aster, welcome to the forums. On November 30th, I asked the same question not just about the AI but the whole concept of the new Strategic Command, should I buy it?

Within a day or two several very fine gentlemen known as Matrix forum posters, took the time and jumped in and calmed my fears, they were Xwormwood, nOknOk, Dhucul, Spzabt653, Good mongo, Gordian Knot and a few others, and with their advise I bought the game. Have never been happier with a game. Thank you gentlemen.

I have been a gamer for some 25 years plus a beta tester for Matrix's World in Flames for 7 years. I will admit I am not a fan of eastern front warfare[Russia]in every war game with every computer company it is always the same you get bogged down in the hinterlands of the Soviet Union. What saves this game for me is the AI.

Some time ago Hubert Cater put out a Pacific game called Strategic Command WW2 Pacific, a well done game with a very poor AI [sorry Hubert] it really hurt the game for me and I like Pacific theater games. If the AI that is implemented in this Strategic command had been put into the Pacific game it would have changed the whole concept of the game, I trully hope he will redo that game.

Sorry for being long winded aster, but you asked for it I consider myself a decent gamer, not great, I hate to admit but the AI has been thumping me playing as the Allies and I am the Axis. To get the right combination of spending MMp's for either units or the many research projects is a game of it's own. Supply is the key to the game IMO.

I have replayed the 39 scenario at least 6 times as the Axis, easy victories over Poland [always 3 moves] and France, would do very well up to Dec 1941, had the Russians on the run for several game only to have the AI destroy me.

One game I was gloating a little too soon, it was may 1943 and it looked all over for the Russians, and boom the allies landed in France and I had to shift many axis units to France needless to say the Russians lived to fight another day and destroyed me.

Things I noted about the AI, relentless on the attack, knew when to back off, knew how to rescue a trapped unit, knew how to encircle my troops and put them out of supply, watched the invasion of Sicily, Normandy, all well done IMO. There are some negative posts out there, I will not be critical of these post not because I did not agree with them but because of the cardinal rule "Each To His own"

In conclusion a fast slick game with a good UI, in the many hours I have played the game I only had one minor glitch, probably my fault, a very stable game IMO, hopefully PBEM will be out soon even though the best way to play a human is Netplay if players have the time available to them. GET THE GAME!

Bo



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RE: How is the AI at this point? - 12/28/2016 4:09:51 PM   
gwgardner

 

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Status: offline 		I enjoyed reading Bo's comments, and concur concerning the overall excellence of the AI. I especially like this feature of the AI: one can assign the AI to one or more major powers, example I can play Germany and let the AI handle Italy, but at the same time I can interfere and play some aspects of the AI-controlled country If I want to.

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RE: How is the AI at this point? - 12/29/2016 12:07:43 AM   
James Taylor

 

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Status: offline 		This AI is probably the best of any SC edition and most likely better than any other strategic level game of this scope, although I haven't played them all.

I'm in August of 1945 as Axis and I have been beating off amphibious attacks(numerous ones) all along the Atlantic Wall, from south Spain to Denmark by the USA and UK.

The Western Allies pummel my supply sources / industries with stealth bombers escorted by jets destroying valuble MPPs with a consistent campaign of strategic bombing. Finally I got Me 262s on the job and we're getting even.

I have refused surrender terms and am now closing in on Perm from two directions but the Red Army continues to harass me all over the map(USSR territory).

Constantly sneeking combat units in forests and swamps where my garrisons are weak and spread out doing Partisan suppression, constantly trying to cut my supply lines, its unbelievable!

Slowly, ploddingly, I have managed my advance, reminiscent of Panzer General / Corps where the AI deploys its forces around vital supply sources denying my troops bread & water, not to mention ammo.

I'm not on the easiest settings, but no experience to the AI, everything else is advanced. I hope I don't get timed out. I am, after all, a SC veteran and I have my pride.

I want the British Isles, forget America.



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RE: How is the AI at this point? - 12/29/2016 1:54:10 AM   
bo

 

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Status: offline 		Good lord James you are in better shape than I am in you are the master of this game compared to me

Bo

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RE: How is the AI at this point? - 12/29/2016 2:37:09 AM   
Rosseau

 

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Status: offline 		SeaMonkey has been at it a while, I think

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RE: How is the AI at this point? - 12/29/2016 7:45:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: n0kn0k

An AI will always have some "odd" moves or aspects that can be taken advantage off, but this is the best A.I. sofar in the SC series.
Check out some of the YouTube movies. It actually does invasions as the Axis and allies pretty well.
I've had some nice games vs the AI sofar. Won them all, but I've been playing since SC1.


If you won them all no matter how long you've been playing then the AI is not very good. I base my scores of the AI's on how well they do beat me and beat me again an again like "Conquest Medieval Realms on a 4 or 5 difficulty since I always start playing at the highest or near highest difficulty since most AI's aren't even ai's anymore. Just mish most code to delay you for a time but never seemingly trying to win or beat you. "HELL" is another game with a high quality AI that has players whining how hard it is to beat, I love that in a game.

I remember when SPARTAN used to be that way also, but, daddy's lil boy whined how hard it was and they dumbed it down in 1.017. I still have 1.013 the best version of SPARTAN ever made. It kept me from buying any future products in the Spartan line like Troy.

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RE: How is the AI at this point? - 12/29/2016 8:33:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some people don't like getting beat all the time.

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RE: How is the AI at this point? - 12/29/2016 8:36:40 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

Some people don't like getting beat all the time.
warspite1

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RE: How is the AI at this point? - 12/29/2016 10:21:22 AM   
n0kn0k

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

quote:

ORIGINAL: n0kn0k

An AI will always have some "odd" moves or aspects that can be taken advantage off, but this is the best A.I. sofar in the SC series.
Check out some of the YouTube movies. It actually does invasions as the Axis and allies pretty well.
I've had some nice games vs the AI sofar. Won them all, but I've been playing since SC1.


If you won them all no matter how long you've been playing then the AI is not very good. I base my scores of the AI's on how well they do beat me and beat me again an again like "Conquest Medieval Realms on a 4 or 5 difficulty since I always start playing at the highest or near highest difficulty since most AI's aren't even ai's anymore. Just mish most code to delay you for a time but never seemingly trying to win or beat you. "HELL" is another game with a high quality AI that has players whining how hard it is to beat, I love that in a game.

I remember when SPARTAN used to be that way also, but, daddy's lil boy whined how hard it was and they dumbed it down in 1.017. I still have 1.013 the best version of SPARTAN ever made. It kept me from buying any future products in the Spartan line like Troy.


I have yet to encounter an A.I. for a complex game like SC(not games like checkers or chess) that can beat me on equal odds(balanced game) without cheating. That's especially true when you have a full understanding of the mechanics after 10 years of playing.
That being said. I play A.I. games for the fun of it and to get to know the mechanics.

So I would love to know what that HELL game is all about.

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