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Revamped Argonaut Class - 1/5/2017 11:58:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is the Argonaut's as built. John Jordan's book speaks that they originally were to also carry a small seaplane. I intend to add that for my Mods. The question is what would become of an already large, cumbersome slow sub with additions?

How might the new SS look?





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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 1/6/2017 10:35:51 PM   
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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 1/7/2017 2:22:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Am going to throw out some ideas/proposals. Since this sub was never built would enjoy as much commentary as possible.


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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 1/7/2017 5:16:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll be boring and say it won't be much different at all. A bit heavier, somewhat lower submerged speed (irrelevant in the game) and that's about it.

All you are adding is essentially a cylinder on top of the deck to store the aircraft, a crane to handle the plane and some minor miscellaneous stuff (air crew, fuel). In return you'd probably land one of the guns to make space for the topside stuff, maybe even both as weight compensation.

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 1/8/2017 1:28:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Would the MVR drop with the extra weight and space?

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 1/8/2017 1:43:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would agree on dropping MVR.

How much weight do you think would be added to displacement? 200T, 300T, 500T?


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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 1/8/2017 1:55:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been reading about the V class submarine (google search). I would also think that durability would drop due to hanger door and what not. Maybe a drop in speed due to the all the extras.

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 1/9/2017 3:32:26 PM   
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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/10/2017 9:34:46 PM   
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Need Artwork from someone please.

We're going to pull the bow gun and add the hangar, crane, and catapult. We'll figure 200T since we're getting rid of the 6" gun.


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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/10/2017 9:59:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Need a class name. Chose 'seahorse' as a place holder but want something more appropriate. Need three ship names that go with the class name. Will take anything...


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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/10/2017 10:08:58 PM   
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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/10/2017 10:19:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		For the new class I have created the Gadfly and the Firefly for their recon planes. They are fully patterned off of the specs for the Glen.

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/10/2017 10:21:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BillBrown

So the USN get three that can resize and the IJN gets all of theirs?


No. You inferred. ALL pre-war US CV/CVL ships can: Lex, Sara, King's Mountain, Ely, Langley, Yorktown, Enterprise, Hornet, and Wasp. Make sense? The others come in and do their thing as per normal.

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/10/2017 10:22:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bill--Unless it deals with these Subs please stay in the other thread. Don't want too much confusion...

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/10/2017 10:25:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK. Names. This is what we need:

1. A Class name for the Argonaut Recon group of three subs.
2. Specific Ship Names:
a. 1 Argonaut
b. 2 Narwhal
c. 3 of the New Class

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/10/2017 11:35:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Bill--Unless it deals with these Subs please stay in the other thread. Don't want too much confusion...


I have no idea how that cross posted in this thread. Probably a mistake on my part somehow.

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/11/2017 12:37:07 AM   
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Need some sort of set of names that run together for these SS. Think I shall pull open the salt fish books I have from the aquarium side of my life and see if some sort of inspiration comes through.


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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/11/2017 3:50:18 PM   
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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/11/2017 4:07:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

OK. Names. This is what we need:

1. A Class name for the Argonaut Recon group of three subs.
2. Specific Ship Names:
a. 1 Argonaut
b. 2 Narwhal
c. 3 of the New Class


1. Argo Class
2. USS Argo - name of jason (and the Argonauts) ship
USS Argus - builder of the Argo (in Jason and the Argonauts)
USS Hera - Greek Goddess - jasons patron

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/11/2017 4:40:33 PM   
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Tomlabel is still working on the sub artwork.

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/11/2017 4:40:58 PM   
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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/11/2017 5:52:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Perhaps variations of flying sea creatures would be good names for the class:

1. Devil Ray
2. Exocet
3. Icarfish
4. Yellow Wing
5. Beauty Fin
6. Pharao

or the completely imaginary:

7. Air Fin

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/12/2017 4:02:27 AM   
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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/15/2017 1:52:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		John: Is this the drawing of the sub you wanted? Note the AC hanger behind the conning tower.




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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/15/2017 4:55:30 AM   
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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/24/2017 3:23:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		John: Try Ryan's page. Scroll down to the very bottom of the page.

http://www.alternatewars.com/Games/WITP_AE/USN/USN_Art.htm

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RE: Revamped Argonaut Class - 2/24/2017 3:13:15 PM   
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I have my side for the new class. Thanks Sir!


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