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OT: Use of Captured Equipment - 1/23/2017 2:21:28 PM

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It is, of course, well known that during the Second World War, particularly on the Eastern front, both sides used vehicles and equipment that were captured during the course of the war. In fact, War in the East actually models this, which I think is awesome, but that's another story entirely.

My question is: to what extend this this happen in the Pacific War. Specifically, did the Japanese make use of equipment captured during their expansion in the early war? Did either side make a practice of this in China?

Just curious.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 2:30:34 PM

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Marines & the local CAU used Japanese equipment to finish the initial strip on Henderson. They also confiscated the ice cream maker

Once they got going the US just bulldozed Japanese equipment. The Japanses used a lot of stuff they found in HK, Singapore, Sebang, and Palembang. I'm not sure anywhere else.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 2:47:56 PM

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Been a while since I played it, but WITE simulates in pretty well.

You get ridiculously excited when your Romanian Tank Division upgrades to captured T-34s!

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 3:07:52 PM

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Japanese definitively used anything they captured, that said, there was not a lot of "interesting" equipment available, most of the American and British equipment captured was old/ substandard and in small numbers.

I can see them using Allied Stuarts, trucks, halftrucks, and construction equipment, otherwise not a lot to show. Aircraft captured probably was more useful for R&D and propaganda purposes

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 3:09:45 PM

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You get ridiculously excited when your Romanian Tank Division upgrades to captured T-34s!

I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 3:49:24 PM

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The Japanese captured a large amount of merchant shipping and made good use of it. As for weapons, I am sure that they made good use of tanks, trucks and weaponry captured during the expansion. The problem was that Japanese industry did not have the capacity to expand to produce ammunition and spare parts. So any use was limited to existing stocks.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 4:00:59 PM

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I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

Nah, seen pics of lots of them in German markings, and they are in the OOB of quite a few units in 1942 on the Eastern Front.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 4:01:49 PM

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Japanese made liberal use of big shore guns. Didn't the Singapore guns end up on Ponape or Tarawa?

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 4:44:23 PM

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I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

Nah, seen pics of lots of them in German markings, and they are in the OOB of quite a few units in 1942 on the Eastern Front.

They painted some more markings on them it seems:

ASFAIK the 76mm ammo for T34 and the same calliber field/AT guns were manufactured in Germany (one of the few munitions for captured weapons, they had so many of them so it made sense... they would even ship some 76mm to Africa iirc - quite a long way)

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 4:52:47 PM

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Japanese made liberal use of big shore guns. Didn't the Singapore guns end up on Ponape or Tarawa?

I believe Tarawa (betio?), check this awesome footage (he talks there about captured Japanese guns in it somewhere I believe VICKERS guns? - edit, he said these guns were purchased by the Japanese not captured)

WW2 1943 Battle of Tarawa Japanese sites (Kiribati, Gilbert Islands), Central Pacific

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5q-O7NqXx0

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 5:07:28 PM

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Germans used T-34
they added commander's cupola, radio equipment and oversize markings to reduce the chance of friendly fire

they used damaged tanks as AT guns

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 5:09:02 PM

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You get ridiculously excited when your Romanian Tank Division upgrades to captured T-34s!

I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

Oh, no, the Germans definitely used t34s. They just painted a German cross on them.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 5:22:12 PM

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The Japanese captured a few B-17"s. Experimented with them....GP

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 5:44:36 PM

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The Germans converted specifically a party of Soviet KV-1's for the planned invasion of Malta.
Here's a picture of my Hobby Master 1/72 scale model of it - they installed a new turret cupola.
This is the actual camo pattern intended to be used in the operation:

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 5:45:44 PM

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Marines Fire Captured Japanese Mountain Gun, Saipan

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 5:54:13 PM

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M3, but this one ex-Brit captured in Burma, Brit style stowage

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 5:56:07 PM

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Russian T26 in Burma

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 5:58:12 PM

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Thompson SMG (Fourth Soldier from right)

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 6:00:04 PM

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Captured Bofors 40mm AA Gun

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 6:00:24 PM

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Thank you, guys, for the info and correction about the T-34.

Apparently it was yet another fact wrong in a book of mine. It is so nice to be able to visit here and read your posts. Thank you.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 6:03:02 PM

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Thank you for all the awesome pictures.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 9:01:52 PM

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Of course my favorite bit of "captured equipment" is the USS Stewart. Shown here in her Japanese colors;

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 9:05:27 PM

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Japanese made liberal use of big shore guns. Didn't the Singapore guns end up on Ponape or Tarawa?

Some of them, IIRC it was Wake.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 9:12:27 PM

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The Germans converted specifically a party of Soviet KV-1's for the planned invasion of Malta.
Here's a picture of my Hobby Master 1/72 scale model of it - they installed a new turret cupola.
This is the actual camo pattern intended to be used in the operation:

That's a Soviet invention. KV-1 with a turret fielding a 152mm howitzer. Don't recall the Soviet identification of it.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 9:44:38 PM

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That's a Soviet invention. KV-1 with a turret fielding a 152mm howitzer. Don't recall the Soviet identification of it.

KV-2. Used the same chassis as the KV-1 but had the larger turret and the 152mm gun.

Cheers,

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/23/2017 10:29:45 PM

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That's a Soviet invention. KV-1 with a turret fielding a 152mm howitzer. Don't recall the Soviet identification of it.

KV-2. Used the same chassis as the KV-1 but had the larger turret and the 152mm gun.

Cheers,

Thanks, wasn't sure. Think there was a KV-1a which had a slightly longer 76.2mm gun, and there was the KV-85 with the 85 mike-mike gun. Just couldn't remember what they called that beast.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/24/2017 12:02:00 AM

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That's a Soviet invention. KV-1 with a turret fielding a 152mm howitzer. Don't recall the Soviet identification of it.

KV-2. Used the same chassis as the KV-1 but had the larger turret and the 152mm gun.

Cheers,

Thanks, wasn't sure. Think there was a KV-1a which had a slightly longer 76.2mm gun, and there was the KV-85 with the 85 mike-mike gun. Just couldn't remember what they called that beast.

SU-85?

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/24/2017 12:58:22 AM

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You get ridiculously excited when your Romanian Tank Division upgrades to captured T-34s!

I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

The only reason I know of that the Germans wouldn't use a T-34 was that it didn't have a radio and German tankers weren't trained to use flags to signal. Didn't take long for them to add a radio, though. The US sent the Russians a good number of M-4s and they liked them very much once they figured out their appropriate role. I've always wondered what difference it would have made if the US had shipped a lot of radios the Russians could have mounted in their tanks.

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/24/2017 12:59:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: rustysi

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ORIGINAL: Doggie3

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ORIGINAL: rustysi

That's a Soviet invention. KV-1 with a turret fielding a 152mm howitzer. Don't recall the Soviet identification of it.

KV-2. Used the same chassis as the KV-1 but had the larger turret and the 152mm gun.

Cheers,

Thanks, wasn't sure. Think there was a KV-1a which had a slightly longer 76.2mm gun, and there was the KV-85 with the 85 mike-mike gun. Just couldn't remember what they called that beast.

SU-85?

A boy named SU-85?

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RE: OT: Use of Capture Equipment - 1/24/2017 1:31:54 AM

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You get ridiculously excited when your Romanian Tank Division upgrades to captured T-34s!

I thought that the captured T-34 was one of few tanks that Germany didn't allow to be used as tanks. This because the T-34 was so well known and dangerous that Germans fired on them at first sighting without checking if it was a captured tank or not. The risk for friendly fire was simply to great.

The only reason I know of that the Germans wouldn't use a T-34 was that it didn't have a radio and German tankers weren't trained to use flags to signal. Didn't take long for them to add a radio, though. The US sent the Russians a good number of M-4s and they liked them very much once they figured out their appropriate role. I've always wondered what difference it would have made if the US had shipped a lot of radios the Russians could have mounted in their tanks.

The only thing the Russians had less of than radios were radio operators. Don't forget that very few radios in those days were actually voice. CW carried further ,worked better in a noisy environment and had far fewer misunderstandings. The Americans were the 1st to go to voice in general , but the Germans had dedicated radio operators who used CW. (Key transmitted like as in Morse).

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