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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/22/2017 5:06:00 PM   
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Understood, the panzers indeed seem rather over extended. I just hope there isn't something like 2 panzer corps preparing a build up behind his frontline.
Sardaukar are you on the turn? Otherwise I could go second if that fits better time wise

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/22/2017 5:26:28 PM   
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What is the status of STAVKAs 325th and 329th Rifle Divisions? Also, although they are meant for other purposes, the three airborne brigades of the Southern Ural MD could help the situation in the south while not eating much railcap to get them there.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/22/2017 5:50:27 PM   
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Technically these divisions belong to central command since they are north of Kursk. Regarding the airborne brigades: I had planned to use them in the rear to prepare defenses, I really don't want to risk them because afaik we could really use them later.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/22/2017 5:57:36 PM   
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Just be aware we can't afford to lose the arms at Rostov on top of what is already lost or at high risk.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/22/2017 8:46:24 PM   
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STAVKA wants an attempt to save the STALINO-factories, yes. It could possibly be done, but we are aware that it requires to hold the Germans back for at least two turns. We think it could be done because the infantry is very far off, and the panzers seem very overextended right now.

You are authorized to try, and we will not hold any loss of forces against you, should you fail

Your mission, Mr. Phelps, should you choose to accept it...

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/23/2017 4:41:56 AM   
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Just in case: even though I asked I will not start with my turn unless Sardaukar tells me to go ahead and do mine before his.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/23/2017 4:13:06 PM   
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Any STAVKA units inside your area of operations are yours to command and assign as you see fit. With two exceptions. The units colored black and red. These are off limits.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/23/2017 4:15:07 PM   
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When I said central command I meant command of the central fronts not high command (STAVKA) just in case that message was for me Hortlund :)

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/23/2017 5:37:06 PM   
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I'll do my turn today.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/23/2017 5:59:41 PM   
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Center done, turn in Dropbox.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/23/2017 6:28:29 PM   
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Is Stavka willing to allocate ~2000 rail capacity for the transport of the 3 airborne brigades attached to the Southern Ural md closer to Stalino?

edit: turn is mostly done, the German vanguard near Stalino has been cut off and a new perimeter has been established.

I will wait a couple of hours before handing the turn in to see if Stavka allocates the rail capacity.
I'd like to point out that we have quite a few formations siting in or near the Urals that could be send marching west. Even if we do not have rail capacity to move them the men have healthy feet they can use march.

@Hortlund the air fleets attached to southern and south western front should relocate their bases most likely once you have the turn back




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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/23/2017 9:30:43 PM   
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Okay my turn is done and in the dropbox.

@Sardaukar I was so free and had a look at the other fronts and I spotted something in the center. North of Bryansk you nearly cut off a Panzer division but there is one hex missing. You could move 243rd rifle division (92/53) to 92/55 and finish the encirclement. It won't hold but it will reduce the movement allowance of that division for the next turn. Of course this is only a suggestion that you are free to implement or ignore.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/23/2017 10:10:56 PM   
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Do you not think the 150th Rifle Division might be better positioned? It doesn't seem to be in a very useful spot at this moment. Maybe where it has 1 0r 0 MP remaining in this shot.


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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/23/2017 11:24:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lictuel

Okay my turn is done and in the dropbox.

@Sardaukar I was so free and had a look at the other fronts and I spotted something in the center. North of Bryansk you nearly cut off a Panzer division but there is one hex missing. You could move 243rd rifle division (92/53) to 92/55 and finish the encirclement. It won't hold but it will reduce the movement allowance of that division for the next turn. Of course this is only a suggestion that you are free to implement or ignore.


I am now so scared of panzers that I rather not try anything ambitious.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/24/2017 5:28:54 AM   
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@M60 my idea with the 150th is to have at least some speed bumps between the currently cut off Panzer corps and the following infantry. It will not be able to hold them in a fight but it will require them to spend mp to enter the zoc and to displace it. If you still think it makes little sense there then I am willing to move it. In general my problem is that the southern front has very few formations at the ready that would allow me to try and hold Stalino and have a defensive behind it as well.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/24/2017 12:38:14 PM   
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Thanks for taking time to explain your thinking. Definitely place it where it best fits your plan.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/26/2017 3:55:56 PM   
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My idea in center has been to save manpower, reduce German MP and not make counterattacks. Also to cause extra casualties to Germans by digging in behind rivers. Unfortunately Germans are very powerful until mud comes, so basically just trying to buy time.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/28/2017 2:01:24 PM   
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Should one of us finish the turn and email it to Telemecus?

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 8/29/2017 3:42:33 PM   
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sounds good, would you do it? If so please move the air fleets in the south :)

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 9/6/2017 11:04:16 PM   
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Moscow
21 August 1941
Special Order 0152


Marshal Vasili Dimitrievich Hortlundski has been re-assigned to the reserve general officer pool due to his present state of ill health. The toll in recent weeks brought on by the great stress of his war duties requires a period of recuperation for Marshal Hortlundski. Marshal Kliment Voroshilov will temporarily assume all responsibilities associated with STAVKAs persecution of the war to an inevitably successful conclusion.

By order of Gosudarstvennyj komitet oborony (State Defense Committee)

STALIN
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MOLOTOV
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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 9/8/2017 4:11:07 PM   
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Administrative notes

Railcap at start was 108105. Now at 11144.
15 arms factories evacuated from Rostov
Admin points at start 57. Now at 3.
40th Army of 5 cavalry divisions forming near Moscow commanded by Rokossovsky.
Disbanded the following:
Moscow Air Command
Black Sea Fleet Air Command
Southern Ural Air Command
Volga Air Command
13 motorcycle regiments under Armor Directorate’s vehicle conservation protocol.

VVS
The overall state of our air forces is extremely poor and immediate remedial action is required.
10 I-153 fighter bomber formations in the National Reserve have been upgraded
298 air groups total are in the VVS. There are 136 active groups, 64 in reserve. 98 groups have been sent to the reserve where morale was equal or less than 25.
14th ShAD is being formed.
Front commanders are now authorized to conduct air recon and bombing missions with their assigned air commands. Air units are being sent from the reserves as soon as practical in order to strengthen our air support.

Northern Situation

Enemy:
(a) XXVI and LVI Panzer Corps have crossed the Neva and captured the port of Osinovets. Leningrad is now isolated along with the all combat formations of the 11th Army.
(b) The Finns were repulsed in a single attack northwest of Sortavala.
(c) The enemy pushed our screening units west of the Volkhov. They did not attempt to cross the river, but contented themselves with air attacks. Enemy units include I Corps under Model, W. , , XLI Panzer Corps under Reinhardt, LVI Panzer Corps under Manstein
(d) Along the Pola River’s western bank, the enemy defends with regimental sized units.
(e) South of the Valdai, General Vatutin defends with 20th Army along the Volga.
(f) Enemy air activity outside of recon is minimal south of Lake Ilmen

Friendly:
Northern Front has 55 of 72 authorized combat formations. There are three all-arms armies.
Northwest Front has 71 of 72 authorized combat formations. There are six all-arms armies.
Northern Air Command has 226 aircraft. Northwest Air Command has 97 aircraft.
The Red Army remains on the defensive in this area.

Center Situation

XLVII Panzer Corps under Lemelsen has launched an encircling operation from north to south.
You are to order 30th Cavalry Division from 32nd Army to seize Temkino at X98 Y50 in order to isolate the panzers advancing in your area.
From 4th Army, transfer two divisions to 3rd Army and one division to 19th Army. The 4th Army HQ is to be sent to Voskresensk X111 Y47 where it will be refitted at a later time.

3rd, 19th and 24th Armies of Western Front must move northeast immediately. Tie in with 29th Army at Kaluga and defend in front of and behind the river Zhizdra.

Extract as many divisions as possible from the pocket the Germans are attempting to create north of Bryansk. It is recommended that you move directly south until you clear the pocket and avoid combat with enemy units. This should ensure a greater number of your units will be extracted successfully.

You must keep the enemy from Tula and the arms factories there until they can be evacuated. Place two rifle divisions in the city. You are authorized to use rail movement for this purpose. All other divisions of Western and Bryansk Fronts should move by foot with the objective of providing an adequate defense of the area west of Tula.

Your southern boundary is the city of Orel. Defend this city. Three airborne brigades of the Southern Urals MD are screening south of Orel.

31st Army has been transferred from the Moscow Military District to your Reserve Front.

Reserve Air Command was relocated to Klin. This allowed STAVKA to assign four airbases formally with Moscow Air Command to the Reserve Air Command.

Reserve Front HQ should be moved closer to the front lines.

Southern Situation:

III, XIV and XXXXVIII Panzer Corps encircled virtually all of the Southern Front north of Rostov. As this was a direct result of STAVKAs previous orders to try and salvage the situation at Stalino, the commander of the Southwestern Direction is not to blame for this latest disaster.

18th Army under Gen Smirnov has been assigned to Southern Front. No units are yet assigned to this command.

51st Army of the North Caucasus Military District is forming from STAVKA reserve rifle divisions at Rostov. It is released for your use but has little movement available. You should use it to hold Rostov and the southern bank of the river Don.

All of the armaments at Rostov have been evacuated to the east. However the number of remaining arms factories is dropping precipitously. We estimate only 278 armaments factories remain with the certain losses of 37 factories at Stalino and Vsevolzhsky.

Your northern boundary is the city of Kursk. Three airborne brigades are screening to the north. Defend a line running roughly from Kursk along the rivers Oskol-Aidar-Donets with Southwestern Front.

Air recon has determined there may be an opportunity to isolate the panzer forces south southeast of Stalino and free your two pockets temporarily. Advise STAVKA on the following:
(a) Whether you can move 2nd Cavalry Division directly southeast to X110 Y101.
(b) Attacking 1/LAH SS regiment with two isolated units in a hasty attack. The SS unit has already been bombed by VVS units.
(c) Conducting a successful deliberate attack with up to four divisions on this same unit from the north.
(d) Linking up the two isolated pockets near Krasnoarmeyskoe.

All other action on your part should be to protect the forces you have left until they can be rebuilt.

The overall situation is very unhealthy in center and south but we will recover. Preserve your forces as best as possible this week. The enemy is straining to supply their panzer spearheads and if we are successful in isolating them, we can delay the battle for Moscow.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 9/8/2017 4:19:52 PM   
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Turn is on Dropbox. Sardaukar is up.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 9/8/2017 8:38:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Moscow
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Special Order 0152


Marshal Vasili Dimitrievich Hortlundski has been re-assigned to the reserve general officer pool due to his present state of ill health. The toll in recent weeks brought on by the great stress of his war duties requires a period of recuperation for Marshal Hortlundski. Marshal Kliment Voroshilov will temporarily assume all responsibilities associated with STAVKAs persecution of the war to an inevitably successful conclusion.

By order of Gosudarstvennyj komitet oborony (State Defense Committee)

STALIN
Chairman

MOLOTOV
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'Persecution of the war'? Just hope you don't come up against the Grammar Nazi.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 9/8/2017 9:08:04 PM   
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You got me, it's prosecution.

You are hereby named Minister of Grammar. The last one is now mining iron ore with his fingers at Kolyma.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 9/9/2017 6:54:01 AM   
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III, XIV and XXXXVIII Panzer Corps encircled virtually all of the Southern Front north of Rostov. As this was a direct result of STAVKAs previous orders to try and salvage the situation at Stalino, the commander of the Southwestern Direction is not to blame for this latest disaster.

18th Army under Gen Smirnov has been assigned to Southern Front. No units are yet assigned to this command.

51st Army of the North Caucasus Military District is forming from STAVKA reserve rifle divisions at Rostov. It is released for your use but has little movement available. You should use it to hold Rostov and the southern bank of the river Don.

All of the armaments at Rostov have been evacuated to the east. However the number of remaining arms factories is dropping precipitously. We estimate only 278 armaments factories remain with the certain losses of 37 factories at Stalino and Vsevolzhsky.

Your northern boundary is the city of Kursk. Three airborne brigades are screening to the north. Defend a line running roughly from Kursk along the rivers Oskol-Aidar-Donets with Southwestern Front.

Air recon has determined there may be an opportunity to isolate the panzer forces south southeast of Stalino and free your two pockets temporarily. Advise STAVKA on the following:
(a) Whether you can move 2nd Cavalry Division directly southeast to X110 Y101.
(b) Attacking 1/LAH SS regiment with two isolated units in a hasty attack. The SS unit has already been bombed by VVS units.
(c) Conducting a successful deliberate attack with up to four divisions on this same unit from the north.
(d) Linking up the two isolated pockets near Krasnoarmeyskoe.


First things first moving 2nd Cav should be possible, resulting in a temporary relieving of most elements of 9th army. That will not last though. I wish there was a way to free the 30th mountain division, we could use them in the coming winter, but alas that is not possible.

Regarding the Oskol-Aidar-Donets line: in order to allow that elements of western front would have to take over some of the positions held by 12th army around Kursk in order to allow that army to redeploy south / south east. Free elements of southern front will attempt to disengage and retreat behind the Don.

During the last week my worst fears were confirmed, there were at least 2 panzer corps performing hq buildups west of Stalino that performed the encirclement this week.

I'd also like to thank Comrade Kliment Voroshilov for his leniency regarding the situation around Stalino.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 9/9/2017 6:18:38 PM   
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Soviet Center done. Turn in Dropbox.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 9/9/2017 7:27:01 PM   
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You got me, it's prosecution.

You are hereby named Minister of Grammar. The last one is now mining iron ore with his fingers at Kolyma.

I decree the death penalty for anyone who confuses there, their, and they're.
BTW, do I have the power to pardon?

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 9/9/2017 8:13:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Soviet Center done. Turn in Dropbox.


Are you sure it's there? I don't see it.

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 9/9/2017 8:27:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

Soviet Center done. Turn in Dropbox.


Are you sure it's there? I don't see it.


The original dropbox. Donno if I access to new one. :)

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RE: STAVKA - 8 player multiplayer Soviet thread - 9/9/2017 8:34:30 PM   
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Yes, I don't see it in the original, but so long as Lictuel does, we're good to go.

Edit: I do see it now, because it is in that new one. I think we would be better off posting in the original. Our password is already in this thread, so I'd rather not open the door to temptation.

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