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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/19/2017 11:07:21 PM

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Revenge of the Dorniers...not.

Task Force 13 targeted...

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/19/2017 11:11:49 PM

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I think the Allies are mad at us. Come on, guys. Pearl Harbor was a joke...I mean you did get the declaration of war, right? What's a little late have to do with it. Sheesh, no sense of humor, you American Dogs!

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/19/2017 11:25:13 PM

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Tora, Tora, Tora!

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/19/2017 11:29:15 PM

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One, down, one very close and the last needs more help.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/19/2017 11:33:18 PM

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Afternoon air attacks...where are the sweeps?

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/19/2017 11:40:45 PM

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Today's actions will become immortalized in the film "They Were Expendable" featuring only the fourth time John Wayne dies in a movie, his bridge shattered, he valiantly mans an AA gun while the 250 kg bombs and torpedoes turn his ship into fireball that only Hollywood can produce. In the movie he destroys a diving Val, but alas in reality no planes were lost.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/19/2017 11:44:52 PM

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Sadly, this bloody action will never be immortalized in film.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/19/2017 11:46:17 PM

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Makin Taken

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/19/2017 11:56:21 PM

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The Thundering Herd!

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 12:29:00 AM

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The Allies are full of dirty tricks...like flying British Vildebeests to Wenchow. Then, the silly Allies actually use Wenchow for a low level port attack on Formosa. I guess, if there was shipping around Wenchow those Vildebeests would have attacked them.

But better not to attack from Wenchow perhaps, so as not to draw any attention to them. Of course it is under aerial recon...and will soon be visited by a big girl, or two.

I wonder how good the aviation support is there. Perhaps those crafty Chinese mechanics are there.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 12:34:08 AM

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The Allies are full of dirty tricks...like flying British Vildebeests to Wenchow. Then, the silly Allies actually use Wenchow for a low level port attack on Formosa. I guess, if there was shipping around Wenchow those Vildebeests would have attacked them.

But better not to attack from Wenchow perhaps, so as not to draw any attention to them. Of course it is under aerial recon...and will soon be visited by a big girl, or two.

I wonder how good the aviation support is there. Perhaps those crafty Chinese mechanics are there.

Not much use out of Wenchow. The Chinese may have mechanics, but no torpedos. 821Bobo got a torpedo into an AMC at Mauban with one of those out of Luzon in our game.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 12:39:33 AM

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I plan on leap frogging down the coast on barges and bicycles. You need a level 1 port and 10,000 supply to create barges.

Thankfully, Kota Bharu is undamaged, and has no supply max limit, but rail stops above Kota do...like Singora here. I will need to ship the supply in.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 12:44:17 AM

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The Allies are full of dirty tricks...like flying British Vildebeests to Wenchow. Then, the silly Allies actually use Wenchow for a low level port attack on Formosa. I guess, if there was shipping around Wenchow those Vildebeests would have attacked them.

But better not to attack from Wenchow perhaps, so as not to draw any attention to them. Of course it is under aerial recon...and will soon be visited by a big girl, or two.

I wonder how good the aviation support is there. Perhaps those crafty Chinese mechanics are there.

Not much use out of Wenchow. The Chinese may have mechanics, but no torpedos. 821Bobo got a torpedo into an AMC at Mauban with one of those out of Luzon in our game.

I don't know. A lot of people do a whole lot of merchant ship moving early on before the Allies spread out their subs. There are tankers at Formosa that might have been easy pickings for a low level biplane carrying bombs -- I think they would carry two in lieu of a torpedo.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 12:49:30 AM

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I am disappointed my sweeps didn't fly today. But on the positive side, those Claudes did real well on those 4E beasties. The D model is a little light on defensive guns if I recall.

I had a school teacher who was a gunner on a 4E...they trained him by towing targets pulled by jeeps which they shot at.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 12:56:49 AM

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Ship losses. Tracker is listing the Pennsylvania, whose magazine blew up on Dec 7th as sunk.

Those Wickes class destroyers can be converted into APD, and DE if memory serves. The APD are the way I usually went, as you can get up to all sorts of mischief with them, and they have the best early war American ASW to boot! At least that is what I recall.

I know the Allies are going to be up to all sorts of games like that. SST and APD and Banana Boats...we are going to have such a fun game!.

As expected the mines at Manila or Bataan are swept first thing. I decided not to mine Singers, but rather dropped them on hex outside of Palembang. Perhaps we can get a surprise there with them. They won't last long, which is okay since I believe the IJN will be visiting shortly.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 12:56:51 AM

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The Allies are full of dirty tricks...like flying British Vildebeests to Wenchow. Then, the silly Allies actually use Wenchow for a low level port attack on Formosa. I guess, if there was shipping around Wenchow those Vildebeests would have attacked them.

But better not to attack from Wenchow perhaps, so as not to draw any attention to them. Of course it is under aerial recon...and will soon be visited by a big girl, or two.

I wonder how good the aviation support is there. Perhaps those crafty Chinese mechanics are there.

Not much use out of Wenchow. The Chinese may have mechanics, but no torpedos. 821Bobo got a torpedo into an AMC at Mauban with one of those out of Luzon in our game.

I don't know. A lot of people do a whole lot of merchant ship moving early on before the Allies spread out their subs. There are tankers at Formosa that might have been easy pickings for a low level biplane carrying bombs -- I think they would carry two in lieu of a torpedo.

The allies have a wide range of options to harass the Japanese at the start of the war. That is one of the most interesting aspects of the game as the allies. Everything on the map at gamestart is effectively expendable, (the only exception to this rule would be those Catalinas), which opens up all the possibilities. Japan, on the other hand, has few strategic options to start. They must go west and go for oil. Everything else is secondary. What is more, Japan never has any expendable assets... ever.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 1:06:31 AM

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Ship Conversions Started so far:

Tracker is telling me I have started:

8 AKE
8 AV
12 AD
2 AS
6 AGP
31 AG

Conversions so far. Not counting the xakl conversions to PB, ACM, CMc, etc. A fair bit of the AG conversions listed above are with xakl.

I will be making many more conversions over the next few days as the ships arrive in ports. AKE, AV, AS, and AD for now, later will be AR (I am planning on making at least 20 AR).

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 1:14:40 AM

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So I have given you the rough plans for how Japan is going to prosecute the war for a while.

I think it will be an exciting game with some different twists and turns from both sides.

If I had to guess, I don't think there will ever be a quiet time...a lull when Japan stops advancing and the Allies have yet to start no matter what happens to either sides naval forces. I suspect the Allies will defend forward, always thinking about the retreat if needed...continually testing and probing.

The air war promises to be very low.

Enjoy.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 11:25:08 AM

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I plan on leap frogging down the coast on barges and bicycles. You need a level 1 port and 10,000 supply to create barges.

Thankfully, Kota Bharu is undamaged, and has no supply max limit, but rail stops above Kota do...like Singora here. I will need to ship the supply in.

I'm trying very hard to "activate" barges, or other minor craft, by "transportation TFs" loaded with supply (10.000!!!, no less), as per manual to "emulate" their onloading and transportation; first of all, I find it a bit expensive 10.000 supply as transportation of already produced and existing shipping stuff;

but even so, I cannot have that coveted gray button ("activate barges") activated and enabled, in spite of everything I've tried try to do until now;

Any suggestion?

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 12:42:44 PM

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I never got that to work; supposedly you create a Transport TF, load it with supplies and the buttons become active. Truth be told I never tried hard, and I can vaguely remember some posts about it in my previous AAR with Tiemanj.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 12:46:34 PM

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Step 1 & 2 in turning Fusan into a hub:

Send some Yusen N and start hauling resource. They will put demand on the dockworkers to load oil, which will start to filter down from Port Arthur eventually.

Send a lot of engineers to Fusan to build the port to max size.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 1:03:57 PM

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Could it be dubbed as gamey? Or, as a smart alternative to the oil-duct you cannot build in-game, but in RL maybe yes (p.s: are there sizeble oil resources in China or Manchuria? just a question....)?

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 2:35:30 PM

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Japanese intel reports Allied naval forces are quite strong in the area:

2 BB, 1 CA, 2 CL plus Dutch forces. Therefore, the IJN is at best equal to what the Allies can muster and we don't like those odds. Plus rearming is fairly distant at present, but will improve in two days substantially with the arrival of AD and AKE into the area.

So until there is a sharp engagement or intel pointing otherwise, we will assume the Allies will sortie at our invasion beaches and likely invasion beaches. Likely invasion beaches will be swept with small destroyer squadrons.

Today, caught off guard, Allied Naval search in the northern SRA is pitiful. Most IJN task forces have no DL.

Our ships will form a strong force to cover the Miri invasion; to the west near Taytay and Mindanao the IJN will form multiple small task forces of three ships to hunt the thundering herd and perhaps tangle with the American cruiser forces. I will be setting their naval threat tolerance to low, so they will be likely to retreat sooner, if they do encounter the American cruiser force united. What this tolerance level will do for merchant encounters I don't really know.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 2:42:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Ship Conversions Started so far:

Tracker is telling me I have started:

8 AKE
8 AV
12 AD
2 AS
6 AGP
31 AG

Conversions so far. Not counting the xakl conversions to PB, ACM, CMc, etc. A fair bit of the AG conversions listed above are with xakl.

I will be making many more conversions over the next few days as the ships arrive in ports. AKE, AV, AS, and AD for now, later will be AR (I am planning on making at least 20 AR).

What is the advantage of an AGP over a normal AG ?

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 2:46:51 PM

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Step 1 & 2 in turning Fusan into a hub:

Send some Yusen N and start hauling resource. They will put demand on the dockworkers to load oil, which will start to filter down from Port Arthur eventually.

Send a lot of engineers to Fusan to build the port to max size.

I usually send all the engineers from Kwangtung down to Fusan - you would be surprised how many Base Forces and Construction crews you can find that are lounging around.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 2:48:03 PM

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Also, where did you get that gorgeous map? Thats not stock.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 2:56:26 PM

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DL on a picket Rboat. Often times the Allies like to stage a raid here with a carrier or two. Sometimes that back fires if Japan sends the KB here after Pearl. Alas, the KB is 7 hexes from Pearl and spotted...so that gives the Allies a free hand with their carriers.

It also gives a chance for my Iboats to strike!

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 3:04:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Ship Conversions Started so far:

Tracker is telling me I have started:

8 AKE
8 AV
12 AD
2 AS
6 AGP
31 AG

Conversions so far. Not counting the xakl conversions to PB, ACM, CMc, etc. A fair bit of the AG conversions listed above are with xakl.

I will be making many more conversions over the next few days as the ships arrive in ports. AKE, AV, AS, and AD for now, later will be AR (I am planning on making at least 20 AR).

What is the advantage of an AGP over a normal AG ?

AGP cannot be used as a cargo ship; but can arm MTB with torpedoes unlike AG. Also their repair and supply get used on somewhat smaller subset of ships than an AG or AD.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 3:16:32 PM

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Bellum Pacifica map mod.

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RE: The Dutch are the first to Die! - 3/20/2017 3:25:45 PM

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Bellum Pacifica map mod.

Does that affect PBeM at all? Would both players have to use it? Does it work with DBB SL Map ?

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