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RE: November 1941 - 6/7/2017 11:42:32 AM   
Stelteck

 

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On a different subject, i find partisan really funny. After the very successfull partisan action in september, i had NO partisan action at all during mud and snow.

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RE: November 1941 - 6/7/2017 2:17:36 PM   
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On a different subject, i find partisan really funny. After the very successfull partisan action in september, i had NO partisan action at all during mud and snow.


They decided to keep warm and stay indoors! Still if you had to choose between having the September attacks or having them later...

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RE: November 1941 - 6/7/2017 2:40:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Partisan attacks, not rare, in summer '41 are the work of the shades of the Katym forest massacre (they have snuck into Morveal's computer). He knows it too but more fun to ignore..hehe

Regular partisan activity for the rest of the war, hardly more than a nuisance, hehe, and double, hehe.

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November 1941 - 6/9/2017 7:28:56 PM   
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This time it's done: Moscow is encircled! But I'm not able this week to attack a CV89 in city....



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RE: November 1941 - 6/9/2017 7:39:01 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		I hate the LVII corps really hard.

This corp now have the communism's curse !!!

Also the general of the 26th tank division will be executed for cowardly leaving the theater after the first battle.

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Winter is coming! - 6/10/2017 2:06:46 PM   
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Last week of snow, blizzard is scheduled for early december.

The russians proved to be able to break the ring around Moscow. Bad dice rolls. The city won't fall in 1941.



I secure my positions in taking west Moscow. Let's see what will happen now. I've send in the rear 3 Pzk (you see the one near Rjhev) in case of major breakthough



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Winter is coming! - 6/11/2017 8:04:29 PM   
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Before russian moves, the situation around Moscow. I did my best to keep the ring around Moscow safe. Some defensive CV are very low in front of Kaluga or near Kalinin. With +1 they won't hold. I have also circled the russian's cav units. It shows where the major axes of attacks will take place.

And I will fight! No step back!



I also did some counterattacks against Advanced russian units



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RE: Winter is coming! - 6/12/2017 1:11:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Stef, you have my admiration on your game play. Not to mention your play style. Good luck with the +1 blizzard attacks even though the well wishing is way behind your current turns.

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RE: Winter is coming! - 6/12/2017 7:26:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Comrades, the encercled heroic defenders of moscow are begging for help, will you let them down ?


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RE: Winter is coming! - 6/12/2017 10:09:52 AM   
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Comrades, the encercled heroic defenders of moscow are begging for help, will you let them down ?




Way too many Pro Communists on this forum ;-p

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RE: Winter is coming! - 6/12/2017 12:47:19 PM   
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Comrades, the encercled heroic defenders of moscow are begging for help, will you let them down ?




It is anti revolutionary behavior to suggest that the proletariat citizens of Moscow would be begging for, or even in need of, assistance.

Unless you begin to become more careful in your choice of words, Commissar Stelteck, I will have you reported to higher authorities.

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Blizzard! - 6/12/2017 5:49:29 PM   
STEF78


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We are on the defensive and suffer several retreats as scheduled. We proved to be unable to keep Moscow encircled. LVIIth Pzk under Hans Hube fought bravely in Lyubertsy and the russians paid the price for it. We lost some AFV in the retreat



And the nasty partisans are back



We counterattacked immediatly in Lyubertsly



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RE: Blizzard! - 6/12/2017 5:59:54 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		The LVII corps was punished for its previous wrongdoing.

Although most panzers destroyed were Pz38 and troops probably happy to loose these obsolete tanks.

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RE: Blizzard! - 6/12/2017 6:10:13 PM   
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The LVII corps was punished for its previous wrongdoing.

Although most panzers destroyed were Pz38 and troops probably happy to loose these obsolete tanks.

Pz losses in 1941 aren't effectively an issue. These are useless AFV against T34

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RE: Blizzard! - 6/12/2017 6:51:01 PM   
Stelteck

 

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Status: offline 		You can shoot and destroy as many T-34 as you want !!! But please spare T-26, BT-7 and T-60 i really need light tanks to fill my tanks brigades....

I noticed that i also killed a lot of.... german T-26.

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RE: Blizzard! - 6/12/2017 7:58:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since light tanks have a survival rate of like .0005% I wouldn't sweat it.

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RE: Blizzard! - 6/13/2017 9:03:49 PM   
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RE: Blizzard! - 6/14/2017 12:47:16 PM   
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Pz losses in 1941 aren't effectively an issue. These are useless AFV against T34


Based on my game versus Hermann, he might argue differently.

I would certainly argue that taking away the German Panzers from the Wehrmacht setup in 1941 would leave the Germans in deep trouble (to say the least).

If losses are kept at a reasonable level, the German production system can replace them over the winter. But there is a tipping point where losses becomes to great to manage.

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Blizzard! - 6/15/2017 7:38:10 PM   
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Pressure is increasing around Moscow. Stelteck seems to have concentrated the best part of his units and all of his Cav corps in this area. I'm weak in front of Kalugaa.



I do my best to conterattack whenever it's possible.

Near Kalinin:



Near Moscow



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Blizzard! - 6/15/2017 7:49:08 PM   
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Russians attempt to gain ground in the South



But I feel safe, russain offensive is too weak.



I'm now sure that main russian effort will be around Moscow. I decide to resume offensive in the north!



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Blizzard! - 6/15/2017 7:51:52 PM   
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and the OOB



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RE: Blizzard! - 6/16/2017 12:08:14 AM   
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RE: Blizzard! - 6/16/2017 5:36:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think Stelteck is making a mistake by letting his tank Brigades defend alone in a hex (like in the north).

While the losses in AFV are almost irrelevant, I am a little more concerned about how many vehicles he is losing.

Can you do a check next time you attack a single Tank Brigade? Check "Vehicles captured from the enemy" before and after the attack? The number lost by stelteck should then be somewhat greater than this number

If you couldn't be bothered that's OK to - I'll just check myself when I get the chance.


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RE: Blizzard! - 6/16/2017 7:09:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Even tanks brigade have to fight for the mother land !! My unit list is nearly complete now but i could still use twice my current division numbers.

The offensive has began, but resistance is strong. +1 attack bonus allow me to disloge even 3 panzer divisions if i managed to attack enough time with 100K men, but at a cost of tremendous looses.
Around moscow, each massive repeated attack on one hex cost me also 10 to 20 AP points to optimize the chain of command each time and to avoid overloading the central front managed by jukov.

I need a ratio 3 to 1 soviet divisions relative to german one to begin to have interesting effects during attack, such as an increase of ennemy looses, ennemy ammunition expanse and reduction of ennemy theorical combat capability. It is working far better when the ennemy have already red level ammunition due to a previous attack.

This previous attack have to be strong too or the ennemy will not fire at will and not use much ammunitions.

The blizzard weaken the ennemy, but make my troops also very slow and it is a pain to move forward. It also kill 3200 trucks each turn to supply my army.
It is also a pain to keep the ground conquered because it slow my ability to built fortifications on the conquered land big time.

In the mild winter configuration, there is no special problem with german to attack. (Such as the moral looses and extra damage of harsh winter configuration). And it make the battle interesting with lots of action, stroke and counter stroke.




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RE: Partisans strike back! - 6/16/2017 8:46:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		What Stelteck does to have as much partisans ?? I count more than 10 units in this portion of the map ! (post dated from 5/29/2017 5:41:48 PM )

In october 30th 1941, in my game, i have only 3 poors unready partisans units on the whole map, with the 1.10 and next the 1.11 patch.

I have some VVS units, with LB and TR, set on night mission, next to the front. What can i do more in order to have more Partisans ?

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RE: Partisans strike back! - 6/16/2017 9:06:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Partisans are often created from destroyed units. Maybe you did not loose enough troops ?

If you play against the AI, the AI have always hard coded perfect garnison in cities which did not help partisan creation.

I will give you how much partisan units i have in the entire front tonight when i will read my turn.

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RE: Partisans strike back! - 6/16/2017 10:39:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for your fast reply Stelteck, and by the way for you wonderful defense at Moscow.

I could try to lost more units, but i'm not sure that it could be a good idea.

More seriously, i don't know how many units i have to lost in order to have a decent number of partisan units.

Since june 22th 1941 after 21 turns, according my destroyed units screen, i loose more or less 100 divisions, 50 during the first 3 turns.

It's a multiplayers game.

And thank you to Stef78 for his AARs.



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RE: Partisans strike back! - 6/18/2017 12:32:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can only provide data at mid january, but i currently have 57 partisans squads in various shape.
2 new have been created this turn.



But they are not very active this winter. This turn no attack at all for example.


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RE: Blizzard! - 6/18/2017 8:07:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dinglir

I think Stelteck is making a mistake by letting his tank Brigades defend alone in a hex (like in the north).

While the losses in AFV are almost irrelevant, I am a little more concerned about how many vehicles he is losing.

Can you do a check next time you attack a single Tank Brigade? Check "Vehicles captured from the enemy" before and after the attack? The number lost by stelteck should then be somewhat greater than this number

If you couldn't be bothered that's OK to - I'll just check myself when I get the chance.


I did this attack especially for you but didn't read enough carefully your post and didn't check the pool... sorry




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Blizzard! - 6/18/2017 8:58:50 PM   
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Blizzard is still on and so is russian offensive

Kalinin
Kalinin has Fallen! Sad, cities constitute strong anchors during blizzard

Moscow

LVIth Pzk is holding in Mytisch against heavy attacks



Kaluga
Kaluga was almost lost!


Strong counterattacks. Kaluga must hold!



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