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Question about repair yards - 6/14/2017 1:34:38 AM   
Shark7


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Status: offline 		Since I can't remember, and can't seem to find the answer I am looking for (yes my forum search skills are as bad as my game skills ATM):

Do repair shipyards use HI to produce their repair daily points? Or supply for that matter.

If not, is there any reason not to expand said shipyards to large sizes? Would seem prudent if it only costs you the initial expansion costs and does not have a daily HI cost attached like everything else in the economic model. Especially since repair points can't be stored by must be used the same turn they are generated.

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RE: Question about repair yards - 6/14/2017 7:23:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		No HI or supply is used in conducting repairs, but I think the base must have supply for the SY to function (presumably to feed the workers as part of the daily supply consumption).

In addition to the 100 supply per point to initially expand the SY size, you then have to expend 1000 supply per point to "repair" the new SY points to operational status. The Allies cannot expand their SY but have the supply to fix any damaged or undeveloped SY points they want. The Japanese can expand the SYs as much as their supply allows, but they can easily cause themselves an overall supply deficit if they overdo it. Keep a tight budget on your supply!

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RE: Question about repair yards - 6/14/2017 5:10:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for clarifying. My main concern playing the Japanese side is always keeping a watch on HI and where its being spent. Supply can be a problem as well, but not as devastating.

Seems to me that improving 1 or 2 RYs to about 100 in size is reasonable, just be sure to do it a few points increase at a time.

In many way, the Allied side is easier, at least as far as production goes since you don't get a say in it. Economy management for the IJN player can turn into a nightmare, and over-building one thing can crash the whole thing if you aren't careful.

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RE: Question about repair yards - 6/14/2017 5:19:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Shark7

Thanks for clarifying. My main concern playing the Japanese side is always keeping a watch on HI and where its being spent. Supply can be a problem as well, but not as devastating.

Seems to me that improving 1 or 2 RYs to about 100 in size is reasonable, just be sure to do it a few points increase at a time.

In many way, the Allied side is easier, at least as far as production goes since you don't get a say in it. Economy management for the IJN player can turn into a nightmare, and over-building one thing can crash the whole thing if you aren't careful.



I strongly urge you to read the Ship Repair Guide that was authored by Alfred. Here's a link to it:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2990845&mpage=1&key=ship%2Crepair%2Cguide

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RE: Question about repair yards - 6/16/2017 4:08:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have read it, unfortunately I get lost in the details. I need the simple, paraphrased version.

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RE: Question about repair yards - 6/16/2017 2:50:25 PM   
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I have read it, unfortunately I get lost in the details. I need the simple, paraphrased version.


Problem is, there isn't a simple version. Ship repair is in the top areas of the game where optimization really matters. Areas of Japan's economy as well, but ship repair is applicable to both sides. You can muddle along and get things done more or less, but really understanding how to optimize can increase results by 50% or more.

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RE: Question about repair yards - 6/17/2017 1:02:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		One thing to keep in mind if you wish to convert the Japanese CS's to CVL's is you must do it in Tokyo and the repair yard must be at 50 in order to allow the conversion (at least for the two that will convert in November). The other two only need a yard of 25 and may be done anywhere. Tokyo repair yard starts the game at 10 (at least in stock), so there's 40 you need from the get go.

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RE: Question about repair yards - 6/20/2017 6:58:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		If u dont convert the cs into cvls do u consider a waste. What do u use the cs instead as float planes carriers?

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RE: Question about repair yards - 6/22/2017 9:37:35 PM   
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If u dont convert the cs into cvls do u consider a waste.


No. I just think the CVL's are more versatile.

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What do u use the cs instead as float planes carriers?


The CS's are essentially float plane carriers. At the start of the game very useful, but by the time their conversions come due I feel their usefulness in that role is waning. Besides Japan gets no carriers in '43 and even these four light guys arriving late in the year is better than nothing. Of course JMHO. YMMV.



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RE: Question about repair yards - 6/23/2017 2:19:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also of note, if you're building Yamato/Musashi and they happen to lose one of their big guns, you have nowhere to replace it unless you build up a repair yard up to 166 iirc.

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RE: Question about repair yards - 6/25/2017 7:30:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		So it sounds like you do need at least one big repair yard, and since the CS>CVL conversion are useful, Tokyo it is.

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RE: Question about repair yards - 6/25/2017 10:48:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well Yokohama is at 90 at start, and Hiroshima is 100 at start. Not sure about others. There may be one or two more somewhat large repair yards I don't recall. I believe its pretty necessary for Japan to enlarge some yards as the game goes on to take care of all the repairs that'll surely be needed. Not to mention the time it takes to repair some of her larger vessels. You say 166 to repair a Yamato turret. Wow!

So while building up Tokyo it'll still not be the largest, but necessary at any rate I believe.

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