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OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 7:38:55 PM   
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Recently went to Corpus Christi, Texas with the family on vacation. While there, we spent a fair amount of time on the CV-16, USS Lexington. This was, of course, the Essex-class 'reboot' that served with distinction in the PTO during WWII and served in active duty until 1991(!)

What follows will be pictures from inside the ship where they had a very impressive model collection. First to guess correctly will result in the next picture being loaded. Be as detailed in your guess as you can for proper 'credit'. If you guess A6M2 and it's an A6M5, you get zip.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 7:43:01 PM   
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Start things off with a pretty easy one.

Name that Plane.






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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 7:54:45 PM   
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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:01:28 PM   
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Correct. You're a ringer with these, so I'll kick it up a notch. Just for you.

Name that plane:






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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:06:53 PM   
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Looks like a Martin B-57 , the licensed version of the British Canberra. Obviously it's in SE Asia colors....Vietnam era.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:07:38 PM   
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By the way , there's a RVNAF Huey behind it , only the tail rotor is visible.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:09:46 PM   
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And the tip-tank is from either a F-104 Star Fighter or a T-33 trainer (shooting star). It looks more like the T-33 , but the markings surprise me. I didn't know there were any in Vietnam. Must be a base "hack".

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:11:36 PM   
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Looks like a Martin B-57 , the licensed version of the British Canberra. Obviously it's in SE Asia colors....Vietnam era.


Shows you what I know. I didn't know we licensed this plane at all, so was surprised to see it in American colors / insignia.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:11:59 PM   
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Looks like a Martin B-57 , the licensed version of the British Canberra. Obviously it's in SE Asia colors....Vietnam era.

B-57G "Canberra". Aye.

Shows you what I know. I didn't know we licensed this plane at all, so was surprised to see it in American colors / insignia.



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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:16:46 PM   
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The USAF didn't have a decent light/medium bomber for the intruder role and was still using the A-26 (relabeled during the Korean war as the B-26, this creates all kinds of confusion between USAAF/USAF veterans . I usually say the "Marauder" and the "Invader--later counter Invader). The B-57 would keep that role , and as a WRB-57 in a super high altitude version for both the USAF and NASA. I think the NASA version still exists.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:17:56 PM   
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Last one for the day. Good luck with this one!




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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:18:36 PM   
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The USAF didn't have a decent light/medium bomber for the intruder role and was still using the A-26 (relabeled during the Korean war as the B-26, this creates all kinds of confusion between USAAF/USAF veterans . I usually say the "Marauder" and the "Invader--later counter Invader). The B-57 would keep that role , and as a WRB-57 in a super high altitude version for both the USAF and NASA. I think the NASA version still exists.

What about the FB-111?

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:24:55 PM   
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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:27:49 PM   
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Henschel Hs 129


Aye. Version/model type?

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:28:52 PM   
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Okay , the main subject is tough. My 1st thought is a variation of the Herschel 129. The two bladed prop is weird , but everything else fits, so that's what I'll go with.

Also in the photo is a He-111, P-39 . JU-52, Beach Stagger wing, F6F and JU-87. And a ME-110. There's a tail section of a P-38 in the lower left.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:31:06 PM   
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The RAAF also used the Canberra over South Vietnam, replacing the tip tanks with (at least) a 500lber and flew precision night bombing.

Joe Baugher's bit on the B57
http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_bombers/b57.html

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:37:00 PM   
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The USAF didn't have a decent light/medium bomber for the intruder role and was still using the A-26 (relabeled during the Korean war as the B-26, this creates all kinds of confusion between USAAF/USAF veterans . I usually say the "Marauder" and the "Invader--later counter Invader). The B-57 would keep that role , and as a WRB-57 in a super high altitude version for both the USAF and NASA. I think the NASA version still exists.

What about the FB-111?


The FB-111 was a bomber version of the F-111. There was only one squadron , the 509th BG , based at Pease AFB. (I spent a LOY of time looking at them as a kid). The F-111 was supposed to be an "all-in-one" plane , but caused no end of problems. The Developmental squadron that went to Vietnam lost 7 planes in very short order. The were with drawn from combat. (I still recall Time magazine having a cartoon with one having the "Stars and Bars" replaced with "The lemon and bars".

The B-66 was an USAF version of the Navy A-3 Sky warrior (a heavy attack CV bomber used mainly in the Nuclear delivery role. I recall some of the last couple stenciled with "Handle with care ,Property of the Smithsonian". Another had "save the whales" stenciled on it , a attribute to the Name the crews called it -"The Whale").

So the USAF really didn't have a good "night intruder" to replace the B-57, and that's why it stayed in service so long.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:44:00 PM   
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Henschel Hs 129


Aye. Version/model type?

I'm going to bet B-1. (The one with the French engines) . Whatever it is , it's very early. Maybe a prototype.

Sorry Andre, I don't know German ww2 Air craft as well as I should.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 8:48:30 PM   
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Henschel Hs 129


Aye. Version/model type?

I'm going to bet B-1. (The one with the French engines) . Whatever it is , it's very early. Maybe a prototype.

Sorry Andre, I don't know German ww2 Air craft as well as I should.

OK, I had to research it. It's a Herschel-129-A0

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 9:02:08 PM   
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The USAF didn't have a decent light/medium bomber for the intruder role and was still using the A-26 (relabeled during the Korean war as the B-26, this creates all kinds of confusion between USAAF/USAF veterans . I usually say the "Marauder" and the "Invader--later counter Invader). The B-57 would keep that role , and as a WRB-57 in a super high altitude version for both the USAF and NASA. I think the NASA version still exists.

What about the FB-111?


The FB-111 was a bomber version of the F-111. There was only one squadron , the 509th BG , based at Pease AFB. (I spent a LOY of time looking at them as a kid). The F-111 was supposed to be an "all-in-one" plane , but caused no end of problems. The Developmental squadron that went to Vietnam lost 7 planes in very short order. The were with drawn from combat. (I still recall Time magazine having a cartoon with one having the "Stars and Bars" replaced with "The lemon and bars".

The B-66 was an USAF version of the Navy A-3 Sky warrior (a heavy attack CV bomber used mainly in the Nuclear delivery role. I recall some of the last couple stenciled with "Handle with care ,Property of the Smithsonian". Another had "save the whales" stenciled on it , a attribute to the Name the crews called it -"The Whale").

So the USAF really didn't have a good "night intruder" to replace the B-57, and that's why it stayed in service so long.


Sorry, I meant F-111A. It saw quite a bit of service in Vietnam (mostly via Thailand, IIRC)

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 9:04:10 PM   
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Henschel Hs 129


Aye. Version/model type?

I'm going to bet B-1. (The one with the French engines) . Whatever it is , it's very early. Maybe a prototype.

Sorry Andre, I don't know German ww2 Air craft as well as I should.

OK, I had to research it. It's a Herschel-129-A0


Aye. I'll overlook the Google-fu on this one, Steve.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 10:04:45 PM   
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We have a B57 Canberra as a static display a/c here at Little Rock AFB, AR. I've yet to get close to it to read the info panel (all the static display a/c have them posted) so I don't know which version it is. However, it IS painted all black.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 10:27:18 PM   
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The Hs 129 A-0 marked with number 5 should be the second preproduction a/c from a batch of 12.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/22/2017 11:53:40 PM   
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The requirement for the Hs-129 was to use an engine that was not strategically important to the German war effort. The initial aircraft had Argus engines which were underpowered and performance was lackluster. After the occupation of France, Gnome-Rhome radials became available and those were used on the HS-129B. It was still a bit of an under powered aircraft, but did better with the Gnome-Rhome engines, and they managed to shoe horn a 75mm onto one version which had horrible performance, but could actually fly with that big gun. Smaller caliber cannons were more effective for aerial attack, tanks were not well armored on top and a higher rate of fire gave a better opportunity to score a hit. The Ju-87G was a great tank killer, but it was very vulnerable.

I've always thought the US should have mounted a pair of 37mm guns from the P-39 in the wings of P-47s for tank hunting. There would have been a bulge, but it probably would have worked. The P-47 had enough excess power to overcome any excess drag and weight.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/23/2017 4:14:58 AM   
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Last one for the day. Good luck with this one!



warspite1

Further to other, totally wrong, answers - this is the Henschel 129-GORN Duh...





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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/23/2017 6:14:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

The USAF didn't have a decent light/medium bomber for the intruder role and was still using the A-26 (relabeled during the Korean war as the B-26, this creates all kinds of confusion between USAAF/USAF veterans . I usually say the "Marauder" and the "Invader--later counter Invader). The B-57 would keep that role , and as a WRB-57 in a super high altitude version for both the USAF and NASA. I think the NASA version still exists.

What about the FB-111?


The FB-111 was a bomber version of the F-111. There was only one squadron , the 509th BG , based at Pease AFB. (I spent a LOY of time looking at them as a kid). The F-111 was supposed to be an "all-in-one" plane , but caused no end of problems. The Developmental squadron that went to Vietnam lost 7 planes in very short order. The were with drawn from combat. (I still recall Time magazine having a cartoon with one having the "Stars and Bars" replaced with "The lemon and bars".

The B-66 was an USAF version of the Navy A-3 Sky warrior (a heavy attack CV bomber used mainly in the Nuclear delivery role. I recall some of the last couple stenciled with "Handle with care ,Property of the Smithsonian". Another had "save the whales" stenciled on it , a attribute to the Name the crews called it -"The Whale").

So the USAF really didn't have a good "night intruder" to replace the B-57, and that's why it stayed in service so long.


Sorry, I meant F-111A. It saw quite a bit of service in Vietnam (mostly via Thailand, IIRC)

Not quite the words I remember,

Now, Mr Robert Menzies was walking down the street,
And thinking of our airforce which was mostly obsolete;
"Our Canberra bombers are getting old as hell,
I'd better call up Uncle Sam and see what he can sell."

Chorus:
Oh, the F-one-double one it is a lovely plane,
It flies at twice the speed of sound and scatters bombs like rain,
It's wings go back and forward, it's the latest thing around,
It's a pity that it isn't safe to take it off the ground.

He said to Uncle Sammy, "We want to buy a plane
To save our lovely country from going down the drain;
We want to scare some Asians, so see what you can do."
The answer was, "Bob, buddy, we've got just the thing for you."

Bob said, "We'll take two dozen." The plane they had to make,
And soon they had one ready, its first flight for to take,
It whistled down the runway with a dreadful roaring sound,
And then broke up in little bits and fell back on the ground.

They sent six off to Vietnam, the country to defend,
To wipe out all the Viet Cong and cause the war to end,
But Ho Chi Min said, "Comrades, don't waste our precious shells,
These brand-new planes the Yankees have all fall down by themselves."

Now years have come and years have gone, and we all still depend
On our nice old Canberra bombers our country to defend;
The plane's prices double every time one takes a spill,
And if Sir Robert was still here, we'd make him pay the bill.

And when they are all ready, and we have paid the fee,
Our Generous Uncle Sammy will make delivery,
But I doubt if it will be much good to him or you or I,
At the present rate of accidents we've got a week's supply


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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/23/2017 7:30:05 AM   
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That Canberra is equipped with a relatively big black nose radome, definitely not the original ordnance of base models...for what purpose/use?

Bill Dolson:

yeah, that's the model with the Argus engines (wow, kudos), hence the two blade propeller. The Gnome Rhone is radial.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/23/2017 8:02:57 AM   
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That Canberra is equipped with a relatively big black nose radome, definitely not the original ordnance of base models...for what purpose/use?



Early in 1969, the Westinghouse sensor system was installed in a new nose section designed by Martin. The new nose contained a low light level television camera plus a forward-looking infrared (FLIR) set and a laser guidance system. This new equipment was operated by a specialist sitting in the rear cockpit. The relevant information was fed by the system operator into the pilot's cockpit so that he could select the appropriate combination of weapons to attack the target. The laser guidance system now made it possible to carry four 500-lb "smart bombs" on the underwing pylons. To compensate for the extra weight of the sensor equipment, the wing-mounted 20-mm cannon were deleted. The modified aircraft were redesignated B-57G, and they were easily recognizable by their bulbous "chins" that contained the low light level television equipment.


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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/23/2017 1:11:08 PM   
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Alright, here's today's installment. Name that plane.

ETA: Sorry about the wonky formatting.






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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/23/2017 3:02:08 PM   
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