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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/24/2017 11:20:12 PM   
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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/24/2017 11:30:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Must be a Nate or a Claude - if that thing sticking through the windscreen is the only MG on it.
What would the red and yellow dots on the fuselage in front of the pilot be for? To make sure he doesn't shoot there??

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/24/2017 11:44:38 PM   
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Must be a Nate or a Claude - if that thing sticking through the windscreen is the only MG on it.


It's not a MG. http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4117886&mpage=1



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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/24/2017 11:55:59 PM   
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What would the red and yellow dots on the fuselage in front of the pilot be for? To make sure he doesn't shoot there??


The red dots will be the fuel filler caps* and the yellow is probably oil (radial engines used a lot and oil tanks were topped up at the same time as the fuel tanks).

* Note rearward position of the cockpit and that there is nothing in that section of fuselage (must be all tank**) and that it is located over the wing centre section so the aircraft centre of gravity doesn't move too far as it empties. <end of lesson>

** They appear to be large fuel tanks for an aircraft of this size. (For long range or big bang????)




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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 12:02:28 AM   
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KI-44 II hei of 2nd Chutai, 47th Sentai.


That's more like it.


Hey, you didn't want me to look it up did you...



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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 12:03:43 AM   
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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 12:05:51 AM   
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KI-44 II hei of 2nd Chutai, 47th Sentai.


That's more like it.


No one answered so I used wiki, very few had the blue fin flashes, mostly yellow.

Hey, you didn't want me to look it up did you...





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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 12:25:38 AM   
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Ki 115 Tsuragu


Ahhh, Jeff you beat me to it.

This plane is actually a new one to me but its design (very cheap construction) hinted at its role (disposable kamikaze) so it was relatively easy to find.

(I wasn't going to post this but as Jeff has nailed it...) Nakajima Ki-115 Tsurugi Suicide Fighter

..." Japanese authorities were equally optimistic and projected a monthly output of 8,000 such aircraft with hundreds of factories committed to the effort."

Wow!!



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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 1:06:12 AM   
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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 1:20:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		That landing gear... Looks precarious because it was supposedly detachable. No need to keep it since it was a one way trip.

Interesting they were optimistic about 8000 a month. I can't see them getting enough AVGas

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 1:40:56 AM   
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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 1:41:46 AM   
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Allied Vandals....




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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 12:32:15 PM   
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That landing gear... Looks precarious because it was supposedly detachable. No need to keep it since it was a one way trip.

Interesting they were optimistic about 8000 a month. I can't see them getting enough AVGas


They were sending people out into the countryside to harvest the roots of pine trees to make a substitute fuel. The program failed because it took 2/5 man hours of work per gallon of fuel.

This has a series of reports on alternative fuels Japan was trying to make:
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/240213-types-of-aviation-fuel-used-by-japan-in-ww2/

The Germans were making avgas through coal liquification and I see a link on a similar program in Japan in the above link. It could be done, but it's very energy intensive, you need a lot of coal per gallon of fuel produced and it isn't even anywhere near economic today, 75 years later.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 12:33:07 PM   
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Looks more like the work of Visigoths, or maybe Hellcats.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 12:38:46 PM   
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Ki 115 Tsuragu


Atta boy, JeffK.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 12:51:29 PM   
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Note: The basic ID is pretty straightforward, but I need the Mk. number for full credit.






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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 1:10:30 PM   
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This plane is actually a new one to me but its design (very cheap construction) hinted at its role (disposable kamikaze) so it was relatively easy to find.


That was my first thought too, Reg. Looking at the display with all the other well-modeled well...models...I happened across this one. Looking at the landing gear, lack of armament and generally unrefined lines, my instinctive reaction was, "What a piece of ****!"

Then I looked at the label and it made more sense.



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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 1:41:41 PM   
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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 1:55:11 PM   
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reports on alternative fuels Japan was trying to make:


WitPAE
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4174147


REPORTS OF THE U. S. NAVAL TECHNICAL MISSION TO JAPAN 1945 – 1946


http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_documents/gvt_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ_toc.htm


X-38(N)-2 Japanese Fuels and Lubricants-Article 2, Naval Research on Aviation Gasoline

X-38(N)-4 Japanese Fuels and Lubricants-Article 4, Pine Root Oil Program

X-38(N)-6 Japanese Fuels and Lubricants-Article 6, Research on Diesel and Boiler Fuels at the First Naval Depot, Ofuna

X-38(N)-7 Japanese Fuels and Lubricants-Article 7, Progress in the Synthesis of Liquid Fuels from Coal


and some of the others.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 2:15:54 PM   
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Nope.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 2:18:02 PM   
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MkVIc


Nope.


Thought i saw the semblance of a torpedo

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 2:20:35 PM   
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This has a series of reports on alternative fuels Japan was trying to make:
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/240213-types-of-aviation-fuel-used-by-japan-in-ww2/

Bill



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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 6:12:13 PM   
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Here's today's plane du jour.

Note: The basic ID is pretty straightforward, but I need the Mk. number for full credit.






Mk X?

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 8:31:39 PM   
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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 8:32:45 PM   
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Beaufighter with underwing rocket rails


It has a radar in the nose. If not for the remark about the rockets (and the bright color), I would has said the night fighter version.
So that should be a surface search radar.

do you public confirm?

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 8:34:21 PM   
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Here's today's plane du jour.

Note: The basic ID is pretty straightforward, but I need the Mk. number for full credit.







This is wonderful....

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 8:36:34 PM   
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Beaufighter with underwing rocket rails


It has a radar in the nose. If not for the remark about the rockets (and the bright color), I would has said the night fighter version.
So that should be a surface search radar.

do you public confirm?

Correct, ASV radar, sadly it looks too bright to hide amongst the fjords of Norway. Maybe if it was snowy.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 8:37:34 PM   
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KI-44 II hei of 2nd Chutai, 47th Sentai.



How do you know all of those details....?

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/25/2017 8:40:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Picked the Mk1C because lack of dihederal on the tailplanes. Some MKVI's were the same but I believe didnt go to the Western Desert.

While the model is far better than my attempt, is is at least 40 years since my last try, I hate the emphasis on the panel lines.
If you scales up these they would probably cause a loss of 20mph from the drags, plus the pilot would be booting the erk who left black lines on "his" aircraft.

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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship - 6/26/2017 12:47:45 AM   
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MKVI's were the same but I believe didnt go to the Western Desert.


Beaufighter Mk VIC were at Malta

"Beaufighter Mk VIF V8380 ‘K’ of No. 89 Squadron RAF running up its engines at Castel Benito Libya"




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