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RE: CV TF reaction setting - 8/5/2017 2:42:20 PM

witpqs

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As Alfred confirmed above, the ASW TF can indeed get the "React" message and actually move one hex, but it will not then attack in that same turn.

This seems to be the crux of the matter. And he quoted Don Bowen explaining that the combat routines made it impractical (my words) to make the changes needed to allow for ASW TF to attackg after reacting such.

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RE: CV TF reaction setting - 8/5/2017 4:11:32 PM

Lokasenna

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This just happened in my PBEM - someone can explain?

My experience has shown that what Alfred (and at least one Dev) has said is true, ASW TF's do not react. Those messages that you get to the effect that an ASW TF is reacting are false. The TF just sits there and does nothing. What has happened here as I've seen in my games is that the sub moved into the ASW TF's hex (or vice-versa) and was picked up and followed from that point. To add to that I only set my ASW TF's to react no more than 3 hexes and I've had them follow for up to six hexes. I've also checked to confirm that the TF's (sub and ASW) trajectories do in fact cross. I've even gone as far as looking at an enemy subs' path and simply put an ASW TF in one of its hexes. Sure as I'm sittin' here the ASW TF will 'react' if it has a good enough DL on the sub. So what I'm saying is that the ASW TF is not reacting to a known enemy position, but to one it picked up as it moved through its own location.

Take it or leave it as you will, but that is my experience to this point in the game.

The messages are not false. The TF does in fact move. Go watch the video I posted.

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RE: CV TF reaction setting - 8/5/2017 4:13:51 PM

Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

As Alfred confirmed above, the ASW TF can indeed get the "React" message and actually move one hex, but it will not then attack in that same turn.

This seems to be the crux of the matter. And he quoted Don Bowen explaining that the combat routines made it impractical (my words) to make the changes needed to allow for ASW TF to attackg after reacting such.

Which is fine, really.

To me, the reaction is enough on its own and can you imagine what the Moose would be saying about how bonkers the submarine routines were if they kept engaging ASW TFs more than they do already? The reasons it works out just fine are:

- the sub has to be spotted to be reacted to

- a spotted sub is an ineffective sub

- the spotted sub might still initiate an attack on the ASW TF, foolishly in some cases or just wasting ammo in others

- if the DL is high enough on the sub, during the regular patrol routines the ASW TF might get you one of those "SS is located at xx,yy" combats that occur sometimes from active ASW

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