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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/29/2017 2:19:28 PM   
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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/29/2017 3:17:45 PM   
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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/29/2017 3:58:29 PM   
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Next thing we know he'll be in the King Arthur saga.......

"....and thus, it came to pass that Daird of Northumbria, without even one day's taste of
martial flavor, was beknighted by Arthur himself and taken into the inner sanctum where there was much imbibing of fermented spirits and partaking of the carnal pleasures of the most winsome beauties of the land. In short, it was an awesome gig....."

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/29/2017 4:55:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

He's become a meme, a form of immortality.

Next thing we know he'll be in the King Arthur saga.......

"....and thus, it came to pass that Daird of Northumbria, without even one day's taste of
martial flavor, was beknighted by Arthur himself and taken into the inner sanctum where there was much imbibing of fermented spirits and partaking of the carnal pleasures of the most winsome beauties of the land. In short, it was an awesome gig....."

Hmmm - "martial flavor" could easily be replaced by "marital flavor". Nice of Arthur to fix that for him ...

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 2:36:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		My favorite part is the timeline:

1) Total noob (fact, not insult) starts first game: full campaign as Japan on 8/26 at 3:47 PM

2) Reports back at 4:48 PM and opines that there might be time for "reading the manual"

3) Last post is at 6:38 PM. "Can't move ships". Ragequit.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that somebody who hadn't even read the manual was unable to master WitP AE in less than 3 hours.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 2:53:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well since it seems to me that the only way to get a game past 42 is to play the IJA myself, and having only done so for a few months against the AI, maybe I'll start an "Economic AAR" of sorts to battle the AI, and then when I have that campaign wrapped up, I'll join the dark side. It would be nice to be able to kick arse across the board for a year or so, before the inevitable defeat.

So far, here's what I know about running the Japanese economy (since that one battle I did was long long long ago and I forgot everything)....ok.... ready... here is it:





And that's about it.

So maybe we can build off of this thread.

I'm fine with "running the military" aspect of the Nipponese, no clue on economy.

My goal for the economy is this: Have B29 Killer airplanes in sufficient quantity by the time the B29's arrive.

My military goal is this: Develop a strategery that will prevent the Allies from having B29 bases in range of the HI before those B29 Killers arrive.

As far as how many planes I need to produce a month and of what type I need to produce in the interim, against a "real" opponent (I know I'm against AI, but I want to plan as if it were a real opponent).... I have no clue.

Is producing 200 Zeros a month in July '42 enough? Beats the heck out of me.

Do I want to end up with 1000 engines that I can't use? no. Do I know how to do prevent that? Oh heck no.

Do I want to run out of tanks in '43? Nope. How do I do that? Beats me.
Do I want 10,000,000 men in the pool for infantry units in June, '46? Yeah, um, no. How do I do that - I don't know... flip a coin and pray it lands on its edge?

One thing I figure I would do is stop all naval and merchant production for any ships arriving after October '44. Or so. I don't really know.

Discuss!

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 2:57:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kull

My favorite part is the timeline:

1) Total noob (fact, not insult) starts first game: full campaign as Japan on 8/26 at 3:47 PM

2) Reports back at 4:48 PM and opines that there might be time for "reading the manual"

3) Last post is at 6:38 PM. "Can't move ships". Ragequit.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that somebody who hadn't even read the manual was unable to master WitP AE in less than 3 hours.


Yep,

This has got to be a record. Pick up a hot potato and drop it in record time.

I think he has earned lasting fame on this forum. I wish him well.


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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 8:28:55 PM   
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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 8:35:54 PM   
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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 8:43:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kull

My favorite part is the timeline:

1) Total noob (fact, not insult) starts first game: full campaign as Japan on 8/26 at 3:47 PM

2) Reports back at 4:48 PM and opines that there might be time for "reading the manual"

3) Last post is at 6:38 PM. "Can't move ships". Ragequit.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that somebody who hadn't even read the manual was unable to master WitP AE in less than 3 hours.


Hey now.. that sounds like me when I bought WitP a few moons ago.. brought it home and fired up the Grand Campaign as the Japanese... A day later I pried myself away from turn 1 and looked in the manual.... All I can say is I skipped step 3... and found a wonderful crew of people on the forums to bitch and whine to... and together we figured it out. OK - someone else figured it out and told me :) Same thing right?

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 8:49:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Trugrit

This has got to be a record. Pick up a hot potato and drop it in record time.

I think he has earned lasting fame on this forum. I wish him well.




He's pinin' for the fjords.

With Marky.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 9:07:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Xargun


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kull

My favorite part is the timeline:

1) Total noob (fact, not insult) starts first game: full campaign as Japan on 8/26 at 3:47 PM

2) Reports back at 4:48 PM and opines that there might be time for "reading the manual"

3) Last post is at 6:38 PM. "Can't move ships". Ragequit.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that somebody who hadn't even read the manual was unable to master WitP AE in less than 3 hours.


Hey now.. that sounds like me when I bought WitP a few moons ago.. brought it home and fired up the Grand Campaign as the Japanese... A day later I pried myself away from turn 1 and looked in the manual.... All I can say is I skipped step 3... and found a wonderful crew of people on the forums to bitch and whine to... and together we figured it out. OK - someone else figured it out and told me :) Same thing right?


Yeah, even when you learn the mechanics or it, the game requires a big dose of patience and persistence to play. Whoever mentioned the expectation of "instant gratification" had a great point that maybe we should have emphasized before Daird bought the game. Seems to be a personality mismatch there.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 9:20:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Xargun


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kull

My favorite part is the timeline:

1) Total noob (fact, not insult) starts first game: full campaign as Japan on 8/26 at 3:47 PM

2) Reports back at 4:48 PM and opines that there might be time for "reading the manual"

3) Last post is at 6:38 PM. "Can't move ships". Ragequit.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that somebody who hadn't even read the manual was unable to master WitP AE in less than 3 hours.


Hey now.. that sounds like me when I bought WitP a few moons ago.. brought it home and fired up the Grand Campaign as the Japanese... A day later I pried myself away from turn 1 and looked in the manual.... All I can say is I skipped step 3... and found a wonderful crew of people on the forums to bitch and whine to... and together we figured it out. OK - someone else figured it out and told me :) Same thing right?


Yeah, even when you learn the mechanics or it, the game requires a big dose of patience and persistence to play. Whoever mentioned the expectation of "instant gratification" had a great point that maybe we should have emphasized before Daird bought the game. Seems to be a personality mismatch there.


Oh...I think we were pretty clear on that. I'm not troubled by a lack of emphasis on our part. Not a bit.

ETA: Plus, aren't you just obliging your Canadian self by saying, 'we're sorry'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjn3Mjp9L94&list=UUeERH_yKAPEUM4gjQMOrVUQ

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 9:44:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Xargun


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ORIGINAL: Kull

My favorite part is the timeline:

1) Total noob (fact, not insult) starts first game: full campaign as Japan on 8/26 at 3:47 PM

2) Reports back at 4:48 PM and opines that there might be time for "reading the manual"

3) Last post is at 6:38 PM. "Can't move ships". Ragequit.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that somebody who hadn't even read the manual was unable to master WitP AE in less than 3 hours.


Hey now.. that sounds like me when I bought WitP a few moons ago.. brought it home and fired up the Grand Campaign as the Japanese... A day later I pried myself away from turn 1 and looked in the manual.... All I can say is I skipped step 3... and found a wonderful crew of people on the forums to bitch and whine to... and together we figured it out. OK - someone else figured it out and told me :) Same thing right?


Yeah, even when you learn the mechanics or it, the game requires a big dose of patience and persistence to play. Whoever mentioned the expectation of "instant gratification" had a great point that maybe we should have emphasized before Daird bought the game. Seems to be a personality mismatch there.


Oh...I think we were pretty clear on that. I'm not troubled by a lack of emphasis on our part. Not a bit.

ETA: Plus, aren't you just obliging your Canadian self by saying, 'we're sorry'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjn3Mjp9L94&list=UUeERH_yKAPEUM4gjQMOrVUQ

You're right! So sorry about that. Please accept my apologies for suggesting you were complicit in persuading him to part with his hard earned cash! Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa!

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 9:48:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Xargun


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ORIGINAL: Kull

My favorite part is the timeline:

1) Total noob (fact, not insult) starts first game: full campaign as Japan on 8/26 at 3:47 PM

2) Reports back at 4:48 PM and opines that there might be time for "reading the manual"

3) Last post is at 6:38 PM. "Can't move ships". Ragequit.

I don't know about you guys, but I'm shocked...SHOCKED...that somebody who hadn't even read the manual was unable to master WitP AE in less than 3 hours.


Hey now.. that sounds like me when I bought WitP a few moons ago.. brought it home and fired up the Grand Campaign as the Japanese... A day later I pried myself away from turn 1 and looked in the manual.... All I can say is I skipped step 3... and found a wonderful crew of people on the forums to bitch and whine to... and together we figured it out. OK - someone else figured it out and told me :) Same thing right?


Yeah, even when you learn the mechanics or it, the game requires a big dose of patience and persistence to play. Whoever mentioned the expectation of "instant gratification" had a great point that maybe we should have emphasized before Daird bought the game. Seems to be a personality mismatch there.


Oh...I think we were pretty clear on that. I'm not troubled by a lack of emphasis on our part. Not a bit.

ETA: Plus, aren't you just obliging your Canadian self by saying, 'we're sorry'?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjn3Mjp9L94&list=UUeERH_yKAPEUM4gjQMOrVUQ

You're right! So sorry about that. Please accept my apologies for suggesting you were complicit in persuading him to part with his hard earned cash! Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa!


Accepted. Now go stand in a line somewhere and get in a hockey fight.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 9:57:00 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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But I did have UV and WITP first.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 9:58:08 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/30/2017 9:58:32 PM   
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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/31/2017 7:48:31 AM   
Energisteron

 

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Status: offline 		I think the OP has probably trashed the game in a fit of pique.

I'm sure we've all been there? I certainly have with games which came nowhere near my expectations (e.g ahistoricity or 'scissors, stone and paper' combat systems), or less forgiveably, had serious glitches and crashes.

At least I can say in all honesty that crashes and hang-ups have never been a problem for me with WITP(AE). The only thing that galled me briefly was the TF reacting off-map phenomenon which was kindly resolved and avoided by helpful comments from this forum.

I believe the OP needed a 'click and attack' type game mechanism. I'm sure there's plenty out there which can sort-of deal with this operational theatre satisfactorily for some.

Anyway, Daird, if you read this, try the smaller scenarios first (1000 mile war, Coral Sea, Mountbatten's Folly), play the Allies, and switch off 'historical first turn'. Go on, give it one more chance!

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/31/2017 1:40:08 PM   
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I haven't read most of the manual.



I have, and promptly forgot most of it.

You are wise.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/31/2017 2:36:11 PM   
Cap Mandrake


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Status: offline 		There is also this...as we all know, not everything is in the manual. Then there is mythology..of which there seems to be a lot.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/31/2017 3:38:49 PM   
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There is also this...as we all know, not everything is in the manual. Then there is mythology..of which there seems to be a lot.


Ah, the myths. Millions of clicks all wasted. This game was designed by the devil!

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/31/2017 3:51:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

There is also this...as we all know, not everything is in the manual. Then there is mythology..of which there seems to be a lot.


Ah, the myths. Millions of clicks all wasted. This game was designed by the devil!




It's obviously borked

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/31/2017 3:55:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lecivius


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

There is also this...as we all know, not everything is in the manual. Then there is mythology..of which there seems to be a lot.


Ah, the myths. Millions of clicks all wasted. This game was designed by the devil!




It's obviously borked


Only against Japan!

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/31/2017 5:24:06 PM   
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There is also this...as we all know, not everything is in the manual. Then there is mythology..of which there seems to be a lot.

I think I've just been myth-quoted!

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/31/2017 5:27:51 PM   
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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/31/2017 9:22:10 PM   
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Kids these days look over Hearts of Iron 4 (which has broken AI allowing a 5 year old to win - am not exaggerating) and think that Paradox games are "hardcore strategy". The genre of REAL thinking games, especially war games, is virtually unknown to them. They only know the Paradox games, which USED to be lighter fare strategy games, but with each new game they are dumbing those down more and more so that more people play them. HOI3 is superb (when playing Germany world conquest - naval combat is.... a joke) and is a real time strategy game, in all meanings of these (three) words.

Seeing something like WITPAE is beyond a shock.


For the record, I NEVER read a manual. I experiment, read people's guides, read AAR's, experiment some more. But reading a manual - even a single sentence - is against my religion



PS
Mindset of this new mainstream generation. I am playing Motorsport Manager, which after adding a new (weight stripping) mechanic and a patch (which fixed the AI which made mistakes on their decisions during a race) became much harder.

"GREAT!" I thought, "This is a worthy game which should challenge me for a while!".
"This sucks," wrote the kids on the Steam forum, "the game became much harder, I used to win all the time, fix it!"

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/31/2017 9:54:37 PM   
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For the record, I NEVER read a manual.

I usually dont need manuals, I still used to read them.Its often interesting and I missed something occasional.
This is only game I can think off which forced me to read the manual. I also printed several pages with Mike Solis convoy setups and all those weird ship shortcuts like CM, AK and all this stuff.
I really really wanted to learn this game. My husband only shaked his head when I replied to a question what I am doing there with Computer gaming !!


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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 8/31/2017 11:39:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		You should read the designer notes in the back of the manual. At least I think I remember that they were interesting. I guess I need to re-read them.

Anyhow, the OP is long gone, not having survived even 1 hour on the forum. But we are indebted to his AAR, long may it live.

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RE: Sink or Swim-A Noob's MisadventAAR - 9/1/2017 12:26:14 AM   
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