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DCS Combines Arms? - 10/8/2017 7:38:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have a question about DCS Combined Arms game. Is it really realistic one? Is it similar to Combat Mission or Steel Beasts or Graviteam Operation Star or Steel Armor Blaze of War or ARMA3? Which one to choose Steam version or to buy directly from DCS site?
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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/8/2017 7:47:42 PM   
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DCS: Combined Arms 1.5 Ģ16.24

plus the free version on steam

so one hell of a lot of money for a game, sim etc, and no, i haven't got it, or would buy it either

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/8/2017 9:20:11 PM   
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I have played DCS CA quite alot in the past, and play Steel Beast every weekend (MP), and I have and played Steel Armor too, as well as Panzer Elite, yeah I like armor

DCS World is free, then you buy the module you like, in this case Combined Arms (CA) which you can buy for about €20. The cool thing about DCS is that all modules use the same map/engine which is DCS World. Now thereīs another map out for WWII, and there are constantly updateing versions of the map/engine. DCS World 2.0 Beta, and DCS World 1.5. In a near future (hopefuly), only one version of DCS will be used (DCS World 2.0). At the moment, you can have both versions on the same PC, and most modules work with both versions. IMHO I think itīs better to go for the none-Steam version of DCS World + any module you like. DCS World comes with two free modules, the SU T-25 and the P-51, both are basic models, because other paied modules have advance flight models among other things, but both are a challenge to learn and fly as they are.

- In the tank sim world one would say that Steel Beast is the most realistic tank sim, thatīs talking about the PE version (Personal Edition), because thereīs the military version too. Steel Beast PE is not perfect, but like I said, one thinks itīs the best out so far. Others are fine too, but just not in the same level.

- Compared to Combat Mission, well itīs a whole different world, the same with Graviteam.

- Steel Armor BoW would be the next on the list, although limited to two tanks.

- DCS CA, well although itīs quite nice and if played with otherīs (MP) giveīs ALOT of game play, has one BIG flaw that SOMEDAY will get fixed/patched, and that is that you can "see" through treeīs!!! So, hiding in the woodīs will no benefit you what so ever. Besides this issue there are alot of cool things in CA, like SAM sites and the ability to lase targets and set-up a JTAC situation with a A-10 or Kamov K-50! You do need another humen player in order to use a JTAC doctrine but if you do, itīs unique and fun, as no other platform can do so. There is a steap learning curve to achive a real-to-life JTAC mission, but if both parties do there homework, itīs a great experience, but like I said, you do need a human pilot who knows what to do while you call the 8-ball and guide him in for the hit!

For the price, well not much to lose, besides the handycap itīs fun! There is a work around for the treeīs issue over at the DCS forum, but thatīs another story...

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/8/2017 11:49:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got seduced into buying DSC CA for single player and was a huge mistake. The UI alone is incomprehensible - makes Graviteam's seem easy K-50 does offer beautiful graphics, but unfortunately I just can't handle the complexity of flying an aircraft like that. Way too many buttons for an old man to handle. But if you're a licensed pilot, go for it!

As Red said above, you're all in or all out with DCS - pay for the modules and play these complex, coordinated multiplayer battles. I'll stick with Combat Mission, only because I've spent years learning it.

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/9/2017 7:16:16 PM   
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But if you're a licensed pilot, go for it!


I have just finished to learn how to start this one. There are already enough buttons. So perhaps later...







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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/9/2017 9:39:56 PM   
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X-Plane 11 and Flight Factors B767

I just updated to Prepar3Dv4 (V4.1 tomorrow) and a GTX1060. I also have X-Plane 11 but fly the classic B727 by FlyJSim. A big update is also due for XP-11!

I also like airplanes alot

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/9/2017 10:07:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes XP11.10 is planned to start BETA very soon now. You are not too far but the screenshot is X-Plane 10 and Flight Factor B757 (the v2 version).
It is true that the cockpit between B757 and B767 is similar.

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/9/2017 10:13:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Red2112
I just updated to Prepar3Dv4 (V4.1 tomorrow) and a GTX1060. I also have X-Plane 11 but fly the classic B727 by FlyJSim. A big update is also due for XP-11!

I also like airplanes alot


Me too, I like airplane very much. Myself, I am dreaming of the PMDG 737 NGX for X-Plane if one day they decide to do it...
Crossing fingers.

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/9/2017 11:35:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Amazing screen shot. The series has come a long way, but don't have the rig to handle it.

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 4:33:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		combined arms was the one reason i tried to get into DCS world as their flight sims just are too complicated - just managing to actually start up a Black Shark was an effort and then i crashed it right away - it seems perfect for the diehard simmers - combined arms however was kind of reminding me of M1TP2 a little and but unfortunately it seems to be only a kind of complement to the flight sims, that said however there is single player content there and when i did dip into it recently, i had some fun, but i think Steel Beasts Pro PE is the best

what i would like to know myself is whether ARMA 3 is good for tank simming - it was always still a bit too simplified in the previous iterations.

i love overall tough how intuitive and accessible the Steel Beasts game is for even i think casual gamers like i find myself now to be

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 4:44:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		for me any game, no matter how good the eye candy is, needs to be accessible and playable and with a good UI and best of all, fun.

if it's a sim,.

there's always a chance that make it too real, then hardly anyone unless a really tech geek with be able to understand or even play it.

some of the best looking war games to date seem to fail on a few things, either they look great but don't play too well, look ok but UI is wrong or not so hot, or look really poor but have a working to good UI but don't feel to realistic at times, and of yet imo not one managers to do all things to make it stand out in all area's, from the games listed above that is.

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 6:27:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		That sim is nice, but too expensive. Falcon 4.0 BMS is really good too and free to download that BMS along with it.

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 11:40:33 AM   
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Long story short. Donīt try to fly helicopters as your first airframe, specialy coaxial oneīs, just as in real life!

As for flight sims, same goīs, fly light/single engine airframes first, like the Cessna C-172, De Havilland DCH-2 or Piper P-18 Super Cub, like before as in real life and even as with real life RC flying!

Sims are just that, a simulation of real life gear used for training, most are far from the game gener.

Fair winds and safe flights!

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 11:44:18 AM   
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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 12:05:22 PM   
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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 12:25:58 PM   
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then again i have a low mental age, more like my shoe size tbh

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 1:27:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ncc1701e


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ORIGINAL: Red2112
I just updated to Prepar3Dv4 (V4.1 tomorrow) and a GTX1060. I also have X-Plane 11 but fly the classic B727 by FlyJSim. A big update is also due for XP-11!

I also like airplanes alot


Me too, I like airplane very much. Myself, I am dreaming of the PMDG 737 NGX for X-Plane if one day they decide to do it...
Crossing fingers.


Ok, X-Plane 10 and the FF 757, almost!

I bought the TFDi B717 for P3D for my regional flightīs (Opt-In Beta version for P3Dv4) last week, and have iFlyīs B747 V2 for long hauls

For DCS users I suggest to go first with trainers like the L-39, C-101 or Hawk T1A, then move up to more complex airframes. With most sims there is the option to "Auto-Start" your plane, so all you have to do is look for your "take-off/rotate" speed and adjust flaps for take-off, same goes for landing. You will be in the air in no time!

The good thing about DCS and itīs modules is that you can recreate JTF (Joint Task Force) missions in a multiplayer scence. Best thing to do, is join a online community which deals with the DCS simulation platform and that has some sort of guided online training missions. In order words join a "Virtual Air Wing", makes learning alot easier! I even spent two years in a virtual acrobatic team with the C-101 in DCS! Thatīs how I learned Flacon 4.0 and Janes 688i H/K way back with the now desolved "Seawolves.org", one of the biggest virtual online community of itīs time.

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 1:44:07 PM   
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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 2:15:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rico21

When I think the best game about the pacific war was done by Russians for 3 year old kids.





rico21, I have a mod for that...
https://www.facebook.com/Pacific-Storm-Allies-Mod-253848228011961/notifications/?notif_id=1507389244883538Žif_t=page_user_activity
been working on this mod for like two or three years. Plus WDJ on Steam got a new build, but wasn't sure if it was stable or not.

The tricky parts is the ship package, I didn't do them and wasn't fully tested.

Also wish someone redo this and make it more realistic compare to Great Naval Battles Vol 3, etc.

Many wanted me to redo it or make a better one, but I got burn out working on it.


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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 4:27:00 PM   
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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 5:08:09 PM   
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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/10/2017 8:21:39 PM   
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You will have two free planes, the Su-25T and the P-51, I STRONGLY suggest you try the Su-25T first! The P-51 is a beast to tame even if your a avid pilot!

Even my girlfriend flyīs the Su-25T, hereīs a vid of me teaching my girlfriend ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk1kX2Z4eVc

Just give me a call (PM) if you need any help Zak!

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/11/2017 12:15:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like real footage. Did you run this on the machine you list below?

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/11/2017 9:18:33 AM   
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Looks like real footage. Did you run this on the machine you list below?


Yes Rosseau, but with a different graphics card (Zotac GTX 660 2GB), just updated to a Zotac GTX 1060 6GB a week ago.

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/12/2017 2:01:20 AM   
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I have more than enough computing power but my Nvidia 7450 is weak. Enjoy your new card!

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/12/2017 10:14:18 AM   
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Okay Red, thanks.

I have more than enough computing power but my Nvidia 7450 is weak. Enjoy your new card!


Your welcome, and thanks!. My girlfriendīs card is a nVidia GT730, if thatīs any help...

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/14/2017 3:00:17 PM   
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Just in case anybody is interested, 50% off autumn sale at DCS...
DCS Store Modules

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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/15/2017 7:52:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, I have installed the free DCS 1.5 yesterday to give it a try. But, the SU-25 is very simplified. Just have to press three buttons for start-up:
1. power the plane
2. close the canopy
3. start the engine

On the other hand, the TF-51D is much more detailed and nice to discover.


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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/16/2017 10:55:14 AM   
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Thanks, I have installed the free DCS 1.5 yesterday to give it a try. But, the SU-25 is very simplified. Just have to press three buttons for start-up:
1. power the plane
2. close the canopy
3. start the engine

On the other hand, the TF-51D is much more detailed and nice to discover.



Yeah, these are simplified models. You can buy the P51D as a seperate module which is more advance, with a advance flight model. Same goes for the Su25, either get the FC3 (Flying Cliffs 3) module, or the seperate module of the Su25. The A-10A included in FC3 is not the same as the A-10C module! If I remember correctly, the airframes included in FC3 have NO clickable cockpits, all is done via keyboard! Although the F-15 VC (Virtual Cockpit) is beautiful!

Also, make sure you have selected "simulation" mode in the options, and not "game" mode.

As a side note: PFM (Pro Flight Model), AFM (Advanced Flight Model), SFM (Standard Flight Model), these are key words to look for when buying a module!

The paid models is were the good stuff is at, thatīs there sales layout, but at least you can try it out via the free DCSW.
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RE: DCS Combines Arms? - 10/16/2017 2:48:51 PM   
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Thank you but this game is too time consuming, I can not spend the hundreds of amazing hours that I put to sink the Yamato.


I have never agreed to anything more in may life! It's ridiculously too time consuming.

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