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RE: 1942 November 23 - 2/20/2019 6:11:26 PM

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You AFBs are so bold with your advances in 1942!
You do remember my aborted run in summer '42? What would you have called that?!

Word of warning, I almost always prep divisions for counter invasions of the Pacific Islands. Additionally, Some of these islands are the absolute best places to bring off an unexpected CV clash speaking as a JFB. I have purposefully restricted naval search to only spot the invasion one day away and then pounced.
Planning the forces involved plus remaining naval/air forces would withstand counter invasions.

Any CV clash would be both expected and desired.

Finally, if the Japanese have been paying attention to their sigint, they probably knew something is coming.
For that, the aborted run, and just good analysis Walter probably does know. I only need tactical surprise.

So, my question to you is given the risk...steaming all those ships outside of land based search, why do it now? Why not wait at least until the KB is spotted somewhere else? I don't think you are in trouble VP wise.
VP situation has improved. China situation has worsened (which will impact the whole VP situation).

The KB will *not* be spotted somewhere else.

Strategic intent to trade as much carnage as possible.

You are pretty tight lipped, and this might be in conjunction with some other offensive...but still, this kind of move is something I, as a JFB, lives for.
Not meaning to be tight-lipped. I think I was pretty open about the plan, but lots of time has passed both RL and game time since laying it all out. I made the aborted run back in summer '42, and the only modification since then has been ship upgrades and adding in whatever ships I could. The delay was brought on by AP withdrawals, since made up (well enough at least) and those upgrades which it only made sense to do as the IJN got stronger.

Good luck and prove me wrong!
Oh, great, now you tell me!

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RE: 1942 November 23 - 2/20/2019 6:12:22 PM

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RL has been busy so not as much musing in the AAR as before. Questions will be answered, though!

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RE: 1942 November 23 - 2/20/2019 8:34:54 PM

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A '42 CV clash desired......you don't hear that often. I like the ring to it. FULL SPEED AHEAD!

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RE: 1942 November 23 - 2/20/2019 11:00:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

A '42 CV clash desired......you don't hear that often. I like the ring to it. FULL SPEED AHEAD!

I thought it might be one reason...well, if he loses them he will always get more, and really without impacting the Allied timetable too much. He would need to lose like three in row before it really hurts.

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RE: 1942 November 23 - 2/20/2019 11:00:55 PM

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A '42 CV clash desired......you don't hear that often. I like the ring to it. FULL SPEED AHEAD!

I answered that in the language it was asked, but what I really mean I want is a total fleet clash. I intend to throw everything I can in front for surface action. All of the old battleships are there too...

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RE: 1942 November 23 - 2/20/2019 11:04:00 PM

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All of the old battleships are there too...

Oh! What Joy!

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RE: 1942 November 24 - 2/21/2019 4:21:08 AM

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1942 November 24

INVADED
Paoshan, Mengtze, Urumchi are invested.

CHANGED OWNERSHIP

Overall
� No carrier sightings.

West Coast USA, Alaska, Hawaii
� No enemy sub activity detected.

� All convoys report no contacts.

Pacific
� No enemy sub activity detected.

� All convoys report no contacts.

� Missed us!

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Sub vs Sub: SS I-16 attacking SS Herring at 151,109

Japanese Ships
SS I-16

Allied Ships
SS Herring

SS I-16 launches 2 torpedoes at 2,000 yards

New Zealand, Australia, New Caledonia, New Hebrides, Solomons, Papua New Guinea, New Britain
� No enemy sub activity detected. Enemy sub activity near

� All convoys report no contacts.

� Dang.

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Sub attack near Koepang at 67,117

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CL Kinu
CL Yura
DD Kagero
DD Makinami

Allied Ships
SS Pollack

SS Pollack launches 4 torpedoes at CA Maya
Pollack diving deep ....
DD Kagero fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Makinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Makinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Makinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Makinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Makinami fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Philippines

DEI, Dutch new Guinea, Borneo, Malaya

China
� We hold, for the moment.

quote:

Ground combat at 70,48 (near Kunming)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23279 troops, 271 guns, 421 vehicles, Assault Value = 604

Defending force 43420 troops, 204 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1262

Japanese adjusted assault: 275

Allied adjusted defense: 328

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1805 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 79 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled

Allied ground losses:
691 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 65 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Assaulting units:
28th Division
1st Tank Division
104th/B Division

Defending units:
78th Chinese Corps
20th Chinese Corps
61st Chinese Corps
3rd Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
31st Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
6th War Area
24th Group Army

� Blasting away.

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Ground combat at 77,41 (near Kienko)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 32855 troops, 342 guns, 64 vehicles, Assault Value = 874

Defending force 18712 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 383

Japanese adjusted assault: 721

Allied adjusted defense: 46

Japanese assault odds: 15 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), morale(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
745 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 129 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 19 (4 destroyed, 15 disabled)
Units pursuing 2

Allied ground losses:
5774 casualties reported
Squads: 122 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 278 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 8
Units destroyed 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
17th Tank Regiment
6th Ind.Mixed Brigade
37th Division
9th Armored Car Co
11th Division
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
82nd Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
76th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
95th Chinese Corps
25th Group Army
Jingcha War Area
2nd War Area
31st Group Army
115th Red Chinese Division
39th Group Army

India, Burma, Thailand, Indochina
� Enemy sub activity near Karachi.

� Be nice to take away their bases.

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ASW attack near Karachi at 39,7

Japanese Ships
SS I-162

Allied Ships
ML No. 189
ML No. 194
ML No. 193

SS I-162 is sighted by escort
I-162 bottoming out ....
ML No. 194 fails to find sub and abandons search
ML No. 193 fails to find sub, continues to search...
ML No. 193 fails to find sub, continues to search...
ML No. 193 fails to find sub, continues to search...
ML No. 193 fails to find sub, continues to search...
ML No. 193 fails to find sub, continues to search...
ML No. 193 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Japan, Korea, Manchuria, Russia
� Soon, very soon.

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Sub attack near Fukue-jima at 97,59

Japanese Ships
TK San Ramon Maru
TK Kaizyo Maru
DD Yamakaze

Allied Ships
SS Drum

SS Drum launches 4 torpedoes at TK San Ramon Maru
Drum bottoming out ....
DD Yamakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Miyako-jima at 92,66

Japanese Ships
DD Akizuki
TK Tatekawa Maru
TK Nissyo Maru
TK Goyo Maru
TK Akatsuki Maru

Allied Ships
SS Gar

SS Gar launches 2 torpedoes at DD Akizuki
Gar diving deep ....
DD Akizuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Akizuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Akizuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Akizuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Akizuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

Complete combat report attached.

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RE: 1942 November 24 - 2/21/2019 4:21:34 AM

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1942 November 24

The two surface ships were spotted by a carrier DB.

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RE: 1942 November 23 - 2/21/2019 1:03:12 PM

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Which brings me to ask the question, will "Monkey" allow me to check archives for IJ units
prepping/planning for objectives? I am at work, but if the answer is yes I should double check
a few places......

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RE: 1942 November 24 - 2/21/2019 1:04:29 PM

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I don't understand the picture...the mouse is pointing at an Iboat, which two ships...American ships spotted by a divebomber?

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RE: 1942 November 24 - 2/21/2019 1:16:26 PM

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I don't understand the picture...the mouse is pointing at an Iboat, which two ships...American ships spotted by a divebomber?

The IJN submarine symbol is actually two IJN surface ships. They are heading east.

The fleet is heading NW to continue advance and jog out of search range. There is a chance the Empire will conclude the ships were spotted by DB's out of Johnston Island.

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RE: 1942 November 23 - 2/21/2019 1:18:05 PM

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Which brings me to ask the question, will "Monkey" allow me to check archives for IJ units
prepping/planning for objectives? I am at work, but if the answer is yes I should double check
a few places......

Whatever you got SigInt on.

Does SigInt ever show when planning for own objectives? I don't recall ever seeing it.

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RE: 1942 November 23 - 2/21/2019 1:35:47 PM

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thanks, all is clear now!

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RE: 1942 November 23 - 2/21/2019 3:17:01 PM

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Oh my will this clash be the Dayton race nothing but a bunch of wrecks left at the end?

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RE: 1942 November 25 - 2/22/2019 12:40:46 PM

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1942 November 25

INVADED
Paoshan, Mengtze, Urumchi are invested.

CHANGED OWNERSHIP

Overall
� No carrier sightings.

West Coast USA, Alaska, Hawaii
� Enemy sub activity near Pearl Harbor.

� All convoys report no contacts.

Pacific
� Enemy sub activity near Funafuti.

� All convoys report no contacts.

� Had a clear shot!

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Sub attack near Ebadon at 130,113

Japanese Ships
AS Jingei

Allied Ships
SS Wahoo

AS Jingei is sighted by SS Wahoo
SS Wahoo launches 4 torpedoes

� No detection on the enemy scouts. The CL's adjust course to find them while the fleet moces straight west toward Wake Island.

New Zealand, Australia, New Caledonia, New Hebrides, Solomons, Papua New Guinea, New Britain
� No enemy sub activity detected.

� All convoys report no contacts.

� Still annoying.

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Night Naval bombardment of Darwin at 76,124

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CL Kinu
CL Yura
DD Kagero
DD Makinami
DD Makigumo

Allied ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Resources hits 2
Runway hits 5

E13A1 Jake acting as spotter for CA Maya
CA Maya firing at 23rd Australian Brigade
CL Kinu firing at Darwin
CL Yura firing at 23rd Australian Brigade
DD Kagero firing at Darwin
DD Makinami firing at Darwin
DD Makigumo firing at Darwin

Philippines

DEI, Dutch new Guinea, Borneo, Malaya

China
� Wish we did better here but at least we held.

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Ground combat at 76,46 (near Chungking)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21736 troops, 383 guns, 971 vehicles, Assault Value = 1141

Defending force 82424 troops, 184 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1861

Japanese adjusted assault: 122

Allied adjusted defense: 628

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
361 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 38 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 82 (3 destroyed, 79 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2901 casualties reported
Squads: 107 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 64 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 18 (16 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
9th Tank Regiment
51st Recon Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
27th Division
13th Division
13th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
4th Mortar Battalion
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
Botanko Hvy Gun Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Mortar Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
34th Chinese Corps
88th Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
46th Chinese Corps
39th Chinese Corps
4th Chinese Corps
70th Chinese Corps
120th Red Chinese Division
25th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps
57th Chinese Corps
65th Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
91st Chinese Corps
93rd Chinese Corps
33rd Chinese Corps
24th Chinese Corps
87th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
43rd Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
49th Chinese Corps
38th New Chinese Division
62nd Chinese Corps
20th Group Army
72nd Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Base Force
18th Artillery Regiment
23rd Group Army
29th Group Army
1st Group Army
7th War Area
8th War Area
10th Group Army
68th Chinese Corps
13th Construction Regiment
4th War Area
34th Separate Brigade
89th Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Base Force
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps
44th Chinese Corps
75th Chinese/A Corps

� Our maneuvering toward the mountain redoubt gained a little benefit when an enemy unit moved off-road when trying to cut off some of our units. One of our guys won the foot race and certainly was not noticed in time.

India, Burma, Thailand, Indochina
� Enemy sub activity near Bombay, Karachi.

Japan, Korea, Manchuria, Russia

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RE: 1942 November 25 - 2/22/2019 4:58:51 PM

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just attacking with armor is painful. I bet his infantry is sitting on their hands watching the perimeter shrink. painful.

ps. I tried getting Monkey to recall IJA units "planning" with no joy. Any ideas on the correct fields to employ? even
if on specific bases?

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RE: 1942 November 25 - 2/22/2019 6:17:27 PM

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ORIGINAL: zuluhour

just attacking with armor is painful. I bet his infantry is sitting on their hands watching the perimeter shrink. painful.

ps. I tried getting Monkey to recall IJA units "planning" with no joy. Any ideas on the correct fields to employ? even
if on specific bases?

Kurt,

Hit me with that in email. It will be easier for us to go back and forth with screen pics, etc.

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RE: 1942 November 25 - 2/22/2019 6:27:41 PM

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You can do it in tracker.

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RE: 1942 November 25 - 2/22/2019 6:31:53 PM

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will do! At work right now, maybe Saturday, if that's ok. Better I do it over a cup of Joe
after the weeks work becomes a memory..

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RE: 1942 November 25 - 2/22/2019 6:32:17 PM

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RE: 1942 November 26 - 2/23/2019 12:55:11 AM

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1942 November 26

The fleet.

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RE: 1942 November 26 - 2/23/2019 12:56:20 AM

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I will have this turn for more than a week. I don't seem to have a lot to do so I might let it percolate while I remember house keeping things I haven't been doing. Suggestions welcome.

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RE: 1942 November 26 - 2/23/2019 2:21:17 AM

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I will have this turn for more than a week. I don't seem to have a lot to do so I might let it percolate while I remember house keeping things I haven't been doing. Suggestions welcome.

Vacuum under your sofa. I always neglect that.

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RE: 1942 November 26 - 2/23/2019 12:28:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

I will have this turn for more than a week. I don't seem to have a lot to do so I might let it percolate while I remember house keeping things I haven't been doing. Suggestions welcome.

Vacuum under your sofa. I always neglect that.

Crikey! I need to clean house this week, and my little 'office', and catch up on things.

Outside chores are off the books for at least a week. The 1.5 feet plus of snow is freezing hard at 4.9 degrees outside the house right now and 45 minutes to sunrise. Melt-away will be slow.

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RE: 1942 November 26 - 2/23/2019 12:29:58 PM

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Over in Flagstaff (90 minutes away) they got 40.3 inches at the airport for the whole storm, 35.9 inches on Thursday alone.

I'll remember not to complain!

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RE: 1942 November 26 - 2/23/2019 12:41:31 PM

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1942 November 26

Darwin is very slowly repairing base damage. Daily air strikes and frequent naval bombardments stymie our efforts.

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RE: 1942 November 26 - 2/23/2019 12:47:16 PM

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1942 November 26

One or more additional IJ units is moving toward Akyab and today there are ships present. What is the Empire planning or doing? Supply going in? Current unit rotating out? Bolstering defense? Some form of offensive coming up?

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RE: 1942 November 26 - 2/23/2019 12:59:48 PM

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1942 November 26

We are hard up against it in China. On the road east of Kunming are some good units we thought to have defending in front of Kunming by this time, now we must extract them somehow.

USA 4EB production will be fully dedicated to operations from Ledo to support defense of the mountain redoubt in China.

4.0 degrees now. Glad I live in the desert in Arizona instead of someplace cold.

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RE: 1942 November 26 - 2/23/2019 1:09:40 PM

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3.2 F now. They promised 6! I don't even need two hands to count 3!

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RE: 1942 November 26 - 2/23/2019 2:05:08 PM

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1942 November 26

USA 4EB production will be fully dedicated to operations from Ledo to support defense of the mountain redoubt in China.

I suspect if the Allies make it priority one from game start to air ship supplies into China, that the fight there turns out very differently. JFB's have gotten very good at taking China, but so far I have only seen a handful of players defend it somewhat effectively.

The Chinese are incredible diggers, and by now there should be several decent Corps dug in at levels 5-6 in some of those mountain passes.

I have some other thoughts, but need to double check them first in tracker.

To my mind, in the early war the Allies need to create the air supply bridge to China. That, and attempt to engage the IJN during daytime with surface fleets.

edit: for your consideration:

Chinese Stengths: great with shovel, plentiful hqs, off base x3 terrain.
Weakness: AT capability, AA ability, supply

For this situation: Fly some British and Indian elements in to help offset Chinese weakness, air supply to keep festungs supplied.