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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/22/2017 8:50:54 PM   
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I have noticed a great similarity between Warspite and another beleaguered leader.




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I take exception to that; one is a total twat, writing out incomprehensible and out of date orders for imaginary or previously destroyed units to anyone that listens, while the other is Adolf Hitler.

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Your point being?

Substitute Warspite' for 'Fegelein'.




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/23/2017 3:02:55 AM   
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I have noticed a great similarity between Warspite and another beleaguered leader.




warspite1

I take exception to that; one is a total twat, writing out incomprehensible and out of date orders for imaginary or previously destroyed units to anyone that listens, while the other is Adolf Hitler.

'
Your point being?

Substitute Warspite' for 'Fegelein'.



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So am I AH or Fegelein?


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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/23/2017 3:56:03 AM   
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Turn 43
7th May 1941


Further to post 506 we shall next look at eastern Cyrenaica.

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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/23/2017 4:00:24 AM   
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I have noticed a great similarity between Warspite and another beleaguered leader.




warspite1

I take exception to that; one is a total twat, writing out incomprehensible and out of date orders for imaginary or previously destroyed units to anyone that listens, while the other is Adolf Hitler.

'
Your point being?

Substitute Warspite' for 'Fegelein'.



warspite1

So am I AH or Fegelein?


AH will award Warspite an Iron Cross, First Class, for his irreplaceable contributions to the German war effort.

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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/23/2017 6:09:23 AM   
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There is still hope for the CW. Remember El Alamein.
I'd like to know if there are new divisions coming any time soon.

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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/23/2017 6:51:10 AM   
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There is still hope for the CW. Remember El Alamein.
I'd like to know if there are new divisions coming any time soon.
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I haven't posted the reinforcements situation in a while so that is the next thing I shall post, together with what is on map and heading (slowly) west.

But yes, there's always hope. I hear Wavell and co have a spiffing wheeze in the planning stages - its called Operation Battleaxe and its going to be a sure-fire winner!


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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/23/2017 8:19:25 AM   
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There is still hope for the CW. Remember El Alamein.
I'd like to know if there are new divisions coming any time soon.
warspite1

I haven't posted the reinforcements situation in a while so that is the next thing I shall post, together with what is on map and heading (slowly) west.

But yes, there's always hope. I hear Wavell and co have a spiffing wheeze in the planning stages - its called Operation Battleaxe and its going to be a sure-fire winner!


Looking forward to the Battle Axe offensive get those Matilda IIs fired up, Ive heard that the British armour is going to employ the usual plan and charge the enemy 88s

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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/23/2017 1:58:04 PM   
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Warspite calls up reinforcements...




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/23/2017 6:50:02 PM   
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Turn 43
7th May 1941


As discussed, here are the reinforcements/withdrawals for the next 10 turns.

Sadly there are no more major formations imminent. The main Kiwi units don't arrive until much later - and so was probably right not to send the lead brigade to Tobruk. I get the feeling I am going to need them closer to home.....




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/23/2017 7:20:42 PM   
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7th May 1941


So let's dissect some of that and find out exactly the Commonwealth have?

In the Nile Delta:

XXX Corps
64th Medium Artillery Regt.

Parent HQ on map

1st South African Division HQ - Lt-General George Brink (reorganising)
5th South African Brigade HQ
- South African Irish Regt. Bn.
- 2nd Regiment Botha Bn.
- 3rd Transvaal Scottish Regt. Bn.
Plus
- 1st Imperial Light Horse Bn.

Apart from an AA unit, I cannot see any other units for this division in the next 10 turns. I am tempted to put these in Tobruk, but their proficiency appears a little suspect.

70th Infantry Division - (note: HQ previously eliminated)
16th Infantry Brigade HQ
No formations attached (the formations report show 6(!) battalions attached to this brigade, 5 of which are currently on map. As per the above, all except 1 of these withdraws in the coming turns and this HQ unit is withdrawn in four turns too

3rd Indian Motor Brigade
11th Prince Albert Victor's Own Cavalry (1 Company)

Between Sidi Barani and Cairo:

9th Australian Division
48th Australian Bn (3 Companies)

2nd New Zealand Division
6th New Zealand Brigade HQ
24th New Zealand Bn.

4th Indian Division
4th Bn. 7th Rajputana Rifles
This unit withdraws in a couple of turns

At Mersa Matruh (awaiting shipment to Bardia)

18th Australian Brigade HQ
10th Australian Bn.
12th Australian Bn. (1 Company)

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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 6:11:27 AM   
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Turn 43
7th May 1941


Here is the rather confused picture on the coast. The Savona Division, although surrounded, caused great damage amongst the Australian and British units that were ordered to wipe them out. To the south, at Sidi Omar and Fort Maddelenna, this situation is altogether much, much worse....




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 6:49:16 AM   
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Turn 43 - Round 1
7th May 1941


So what to do? Well first things first. With the defences at Tobruk looking shaky, Cunningham is ordered to unleash everything he has at the Tobruk besiegers. This time each ship is given one specific objective. The artillery at Tobruk are also given orders to bombard the enemy - regardless of the supply situation.

Apart from those artillery units whose supply is critical, the Savona Division are to be targeted by the British and Australian artillery - again in conjunction with a hail of shells from the Royal Navy lying offshore.

All bombers have been ordered into the skies to assist the reorganising units north of Sidi Omar.




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 6:59:34 AM   
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7th May 1941


I love the smell of Cordite in the morning!

The day breaks for the defenders of Tobruk and Bardia to see the skies full of Axis aircraft, which pound the defences and then retreat before the British know what happened.

But the fightback soon starts - the Australian 7th Field Artillery Regiment is grimly determined and launches an intense bombardment that shatters the defences of the Savona's 15th Infantry Battalion which simply ceases to exist.

The Australian Blenheims are not as successful - poor cloud cover sees the attack against the Ariete fizzle to nothing for both sides. A second attack against a column of tanks to the southeast results in the loss of a bomber for no appreciable result.

HMS Marne then aims her six 4.7-inch guns at the 16th Infantry Battalion of the Savona Division and causes some loss (4%) to the infantrymen.

It is the turn of the Royal Horse Artillery next, and they inflict similar casualties to the men of the Savona Division further south near Sidi Azeiz.

The air attacks against the Ariete continue to go badly and another two Blenheims fail to return to base after another poor showing.

Fortunately the Royal Navy are here! HMS York's shells smashing into the southern most group of the Savonas.

The action now centres on Tobruk and a combination of Polish artillery and HMS Arethusa inflict some serious losses (24%) against the Axis forces - mostly Italian infantry - that are no doubt waiting in the wings to assault the southeastern strongpoint.

HMS Mowhawk then add a further 3% to the butcher's bill to the west, and her fellow destroyer HMS Nubian, supported by the British Field Artillery, inflict another 8% worth of damage to the most westerly of the Axis units.

But that was the mere hors d'ouevre. HMS Valiant and the 8th Field Artillery Regiment target the Axis troops in the centre. The unfortunate men of the 27th Infantry battalion, the Pavia Division, seem to act as a magnet for the British ordnance and this unit is pulverised.

Back to Bardia and HMS Fiji and her destroyer escort, HMS Airedale, then send their shells into the 15th Infantry HQ and inflict 5% damage.

The final bombardment sees HMS Partridge cause 6% damage on the Axis units on the coast east of Tobruk.




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 7:45:41 AM   
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Turn 43 - Round 3
7th May 1941


More of the same is ordered - although the number of artillery units that can take part reduces as supplies of shells are exhausted.

The most notable bombardment was that by HMS Valiant, whose eight 15-inch guns are proving deadly, and cause 20% losses against mostly German units in the southeast sector. Once again the RAF and RAAF attacks are a total disappointment....

Round 5

Only HMS Valiant is ordered to fire in order to try and conserve stocks of shells. In addition, two attacks are ordered - the first is an attempt by the British and Australians to break elements of the Savona Division northwest of Menastir, while the second is an infantry attack to be mounted by the Australian 17th Battalion against a company of Italians from the Bologna Division. It is hoped that this attack will help the British Guards Brigade HQ survive. This attack will have the British and Australian Blenheim's in support.

HMS Valiant's shells rip into the men of the German 2nd Machine Gun Battalion, 15th Panzer Division. The gunfire is concentrated and deadly accurate and the machine gun infantry die where they bravely stand in their foxholes, waiting for the order to attack Tobruk that they will never hear....




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 10:29:43 AM   
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Turn 43 - Round 6
7th May 1941


Ahead of the round, the 17th Battalion finish off the remaining Italians. Then, another round of bombardments are ordered. The air forces are grounded and there are only a couple of artillery regiments able to take part. It is down to the RN to provide the bulk of the ordnance.

A good deal of success is achieved - three of the five bombardments resulting in double figure % losses. Only one was a flop, but destroyer main armament is not ideal for this task.

Round 8

There is just one attack announced. A joint British/Australian attack west of Menastir, and for which everything is thrown in - the Royal Navy and the RAF/RAAF. The attack is perfectly executed and the Italian infantry, with nowhere to go, are utterly defeated.




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 10:58:15 AM   
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Turn 43 - Round 9
7th May 1941


With just two rounds left, the British/Australians try and follow up the attack with an assault against one of the two remaining battalions.

The attack fails to achieve its objective, but another denuding of Italian forces takes place. The turn ends as expected.




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 11:13:31 AM   
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Turn 43 - Axis Turn
7th May 1941


Before the Axis turn (Rounds) start, the company of Camerons north of Sidi Omar are destroyed.

The first attack is an air attack against Menastir. This causes little damage for the loss of 3 bombers.

A follow-up attack is made to the west and there are losses for both sides, although the Axis come off slightly worse.

The Axis continue their bombardments and losses are incurred at Tobruk, Sidi Omar and then two more attack against Tobruk....

The Indian infantry brigade HQ southwest of Sidi Omar is destroyed and, inexplicably, the Savona battalion west of Menastir attacks, and forces to withdraw, an Australian machine gun battalion.

Losses from artillery are really starting to increase at Tobruk, and the Mahratta battalion is forced to retreat toward Fort Capuzzo.

The only crumb of comfort at Tobruk is that there have been two bombardments to the west - and both have resulted in more Axis casualties than those received. Maybe its not all plain sailing for their artillery....

The retreating Mahrattas are destroyed not far from Fort Capuzzo.

Four more attacks are launched against Tobruk, but only in the southeastern corner are the losses in anyway concerning.

The action now moves to south of Gabr Saleh. An attack by Italian infantry is rebuffed by the 11th Hussars - but its more of a slogging match and both sides are hurt. A second weak attack here is again knocked back - and these two attacks sandwich another bombardment of Tobruk.

Back to Tobruk now, and the Axis launch another all out attack against the southwestern strongpoint. The enemy attack includes units from both panzer divisions, the Trento Division and the Brescia Infantry Division. The losses are very bad for the Axis and in the melee, a whole battalion of Brescia infantry is destroyed.

Two more bombardments are then meted out by the Axis - both of which fail to hurt the Allied forces in the front line.

The Italians are not giving up south of Gabr Saleh and they dislodge the 11th Hussars from their defensive position.

Three more bombardments against Tobruk are launched - but these inflict little pain and are more damaging to the Axis than to the Allied forces.

Attention switches back to Gabr Saleh once more and a bombardment of British positions to the south of the 11th Hussars. This sees the end of the turn - and not a moment too soon...

The number of attacks are roughly half what they have been, and the second major re-buff at Tobruk is heartening for Lt-General Neame's mind.




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 11:45:39 AM   
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How are victory conditions/turns to go?

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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 11:55:36 AM   
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How are victory conditions/turns to go?
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The level of victory has reduced to 'Significant'. There are 218 turns in this scenario and so 175 left (subject to me getting destroyed beforehand)...


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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 3:43:36 PM   
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...subject to me getting destroyed beforehand.

Stay positive. Your attitude effects your gameplay. Your
propensity to launch risky operations when they are
warrented. Most of all have fun.

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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 4:14:02 PM   
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...subject to me getting destroyed beforehand.

Stay positive. Your attitude effects your gameplay. Your
propensity to launch risky operations when they are
warrented. Most of all have fun.
warspite1

Lolz Do I give off the air of someone who is not having fun? I hope not. I am getting to 'play' with all these glorious Commonwealth units (Australians, Indians, South Africans + my favourite Kiwis , as well as the Poles, Czechs, Free French (should be some Greeks later too - and then there's the Italians and the Afrika Korps)) for the first time since the early 90's, and I am having an absolute blast. The ultimate outcome is not important (though of course I want to win ), but this is just really, really good fun.

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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 4:51:26 PM   
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Right matey! Before you destroy more of 'my folks', wha'bout settling for a X-Mas truce? ;) Enjoy Crimbo and give ye'ole Jerry and the Macs a rest, no?

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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 5:24:54 PM   
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Right matey! Before you destroy more of 'my folks', wha'bout settling for a X-Mas truce? ;) Enjoy Crimbo and give ye'ole Jerry and the Macs a rest, no?

Klink, Oberst
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In light of the impending festive season, I am prepared to offer an olive branch for 36 hours.

I've spoken to Santa and he is delighted at the idea of a temporary truce - especially as it means he can fly over German airspace tonight - on his way to see GOOD boys and girls - without fear of getting an 88mm shell in the arse.

However, Santa has given me a message that he wants me to pass on so as to make something perfectly clear before I sign any such agreement; the Nazis remain firmly on the naughty list and Santa will not be visiting Germany and her chums until we've won the war and you all jolly well say sorry. Understood?

If you agree then please get one of your flunky's to fly to Britain in an Me-110 to sign the agreement. Rudolph (see what I did there?) Hess will do, he's the deputy Fuhrer so he can sign for his boss.

Merry Christmas.


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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 5:35:09 PM   
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Right matey! Before you destroy more of 'my folks', wha'bout settling for a X-Mas truce? ;) Enjoy Crimbo and give ye'ole Jerry and the Macs a rest, no?

Klink, Oberst
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In light of the impending festive season, I am prepared to offer an olive branch for 36 hours.

I've spoken to Santa and he is delighted at the idea of a temporary truce - especially as it means he can fly over German airspace tonight - on his way to see GOOD boys and girls - without fear of getting an 88mm shell in the arse.

However, Santa has given me a message that he wants me to pass on so as to make something perfectly clear before I sign any such agreement; the Nazis remain firmly on the naughty list and Santa will not be visiting Germany and her chums until we've won the war and you all jolly well say sorry. Understood?

If you agree then please get one of your flunky's to fly to Britain in an Me-110 to sign the agreement. Rudolph (see what I did there?) Hess will do, he's the deputy Fuhrer so he can sign for his boss.

Merry Christmas.



Where was Hitler during during the WWI Christmas truce?

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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/24/2017 9:20:31 PM   
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Where was Hitler during during the WWI Christmas truce?

Downtown Berlin probably, organizing an uprising.

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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/25/2017 4:16:30 AM   
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Right matey! Before you destroy more of 'my folks', wha'bout settling for a X-Mas truce? ;) Enjoy Crimbo and give ye'ole Jerry and the Macs a rest, no?

Klink, Oberst
Winston Spencer Churchill

In light of the impending festive season, I am prepared to offer an olive branch for 36 hours.

I've spoken to Santa and he is delighted at the idea of a temporary truce - especially as it means he can fly over German airspace tonight - on his way to see GOOD boys and girls - without fear of getting an 88mm shell in the arse.

However, Santa has given me a message that he wants me to pass on so as to make something perfectly clear before I sign any such agreement; the Nazis remain firmly on the naughty list and Santa will not be visiting Germany and her chums until we've won the war and you all jolly well say sorry. Understood?

If you agree then please get one of your flunky's to fly to Britain in an Me-110 to sign the agreement. Rudolph (see what I did there?) Hess will do, he's the deputy Fuhrer so he can sign for his boss.

Merry Christmas.



Where was Hitler during during the WWI Christmas truce?
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Almost certainly in Flanders with his regiment. It was involved in the First Battle of Ypres (which ended in the November) and the unit then stayed in Flanders. If the stories are true Hitler remained at the front until 1917 before applying for leave. No doubt someone can add detail on this - Hitler's First World War record is not my specialist subject....


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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/26/2017 7:40:16 AM   
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Turn 44
10th May 1941


After the Christmas Truce , let's remind ourselves of the big picture.

For those CW supporters of a nervous disposition, please look away now...




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/26/2017 7:52:40 AM   
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Turn 44 - the air situation
10th May 1941


What is happening with the Allied aircraft? We haven't had a proper look for a while.

Two units have shown up in Tobruk. I suspect this is because the ground units are still there? I therefore ship these out and send them to Mersa Matruh.

The good news is that the number of aircraft squadrons is the highest I can recall seeing. Churchill's (often unfair) badgering of Longmore appears, in the Prime Minister's mind at any rate, to be working...


Note: this is wrong - the Blenheim a is made up of 113 + 211 Sqns



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Turn 44 - the air situation (cont)
10th May 1941


The result of the above? Four of the Australian Hurricanes are rested, two Blenheim squadrons are reorganising, but for the rest, the situation is such that they need to be called into action.




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RE: Campaign For North Africa 40D-43 - 12/26/2017 9:48:36 AM   
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Turn 44 - Royal Navy
10th May 1941


The supply situation off Tobruk is not too bad, but the expenditure of ammunition in support of the forces fighting around Bardia has been huge.




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