Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Phoenix100

Just to throw this in, just in case. I had a major problem with Combat Mission games some time ago, which took a lot of messing around to fix. It turned out to be related to my 2 disc set-up (an SSD and an HDD). The game was loading sounds from the HDD to the SSD as the game went along and because these all had to be transferred from the HDD to the SSD there were all sorts of delays and jerky behaviour going on. The reason wasn't the loading between the discs per se but the fact that the HDD had a setting which meant it was 'head parking' all the time. A normal energy, wear-and-tear-saving setting. I finally (and I mean finally) cured this with a free program called Crystal Disc Info, which had a slider to change something called AAM/APM control. After that everything great. I mention this just in case these issues are affecting people with 2 discs. But it could happen anyway due to the 'head parking' on an HDD. Probably it has nothing to do with these issues, but just in case.

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ORIGINAL: zakblood
the game doesn't know which one to use and as you see, there is alot of difference, some games will auto select or ask, but for others you need to manually tell it as per guide

http://www.techadvisor.co.uk/how-to/pc-components/how-set-default-graphics-card-3612668/

making the NVIDIA card the default one for all to use

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ORIGINAL: zakblood

iv'e replied here 4 times now only to have had my post lost with server errors etc so will do it one more time and call it a day, as something up with the forum atm

i still think it's a AV / security issue

so one last thing to try with bitdefender

http://www.bdantivirus.com/bitdefender/antivirusplus/html/tweaks.game.html

and turn on gaming mode and add the folder and game to the safe list, so it doesn't scan while your gaming, just to see if that helps

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ORIGINAL: budd

Grim did you already try turning off your internet and shutting down as many background programs as you can i.e. AV,malware, firewall, ect. and then trying running the game.

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the game doesn't know which one to use and as you see, there is alot of difference, some games will auto select or ask, but for others you need to manually tell it as per guide

http://www.techadvisor.co.uk/how-to/pc-components/how-set-default-graphics-card-3612668/

making the NVIDIA card the default one for all to use

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ORIGINAL: Grim.Reaper

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ORIGINAL: zakblood

as nothing seemed to work for you Grim.Reaper, only other suggestion is play as it is for now and hope as soon as the first patch comes out it makes it more playable, as plenty have managed to play it on a lot less resources than your spec / report has

not an option to play. as already stated, it’s an extreme chore to play under these conditions when every click takes many seconds and throws your mouse pointer in different places and if you attempt to change zoom at all it often locks up and if it does work, queues up the requests and then goes out of control. no way working through that is an acceptable or enjoyable experience.

i don’t often return games and i really want to play this one, but if not corrected in the patch, i’ll likely seek a refund. hopefully there is a possible resolution found especially since not just me with the issue.

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ORIGINAL: Der Zeitgeist

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ORIGINAL: Grim.Reaper

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ORIGINAL: zakblood

as nothing seemed to work for you Grim.Reaper, only other suggestion is play as it is for now and hope as soon as the first patch comes out it makes it more playable, as plenty have managed to play it on a lot less resources than your spec / report has

not an option to play. as already stated, it’s an extreme chore to play under these conditions when every click takes many seconds and throws your mouse pointer in different places and if you attempt to change zoom at all it often locks up and if it does work, queues up the requests and then goes out of control. no way working through that is an acceptable or enjoyable experience.

i don’t often return games and i really want to play this one, but if not corrected in the patch, i’ll likely seek a refund. hopefully there is a possible resolution found especially since not just me with the issue.

I have the same problem with the mouse cursor getting shifted to a different part of the screen after clicking, although without any larger pauses or hangups.

CORRECTION: Actually, the mouse cursor jumping around might be intentional, as it seems to jump to the button the game thinks you will be most likely to press next. It's just kind of unusual.

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ORIGINAL: drwho

Doing some further diagnosing it actually looks like the game starts to turn sluggish around the middle of the PO's first turn. I can duplicate this with another scenario. I also notice that when I start for eg Komarow 1914 TOAW burns some 170Mb of RAM but this increases rapidly to 214Mb during the PO's first turn, might be normal but seems quite a lot of ram for just storing differences is equipment and supply etc which should not use that much?

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ORIGINAL: drwho

I actually have this setup. I have the OS on my c:\ (which is a SSD) and I have TOAW installed on my d:\ (which is a SATA).

I'll give this a shot and check at what the I/O-performance (iowaits etc) looks like.

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ORIGINAL: ralphtricky
Can I also ask you to copy the files the program is installed to onto the C drive temporarily to see if that makes a difference? It doesn't care where it's installed to, just where the My Documents folder is.

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ORIGINAL: drwho
I'm doing a complete reinstall to my c:\ (SSD) and give it a go shortly. I also disabled my Kaspersky before the installation just in case. I now have my NVIDIA as my primary adapter.

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ORIGINAL: drwho

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ORIGINAL: ralphtricky
Can I also ask you to copy the files the program is installed to onto the C drive temporarily to see if that makes a difference? It doesn't care where it's installed to, just where the My Documents folder is.

I'm doing a complete reinstall to my c:\ (SSD) and give it a go shortly. I also disabled my Kaspersky before the installation just in case. I now have my NVIDIA as my primary adapter.

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Kaspersky

https://support.kaspersky.com/11444

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ORIGINAL: zakblood

first patch will be out soon, so at least wait for that, then or open a tech support ticket and see if full staff support has any other idea's on what could or may be something else to try or do etc which may help, don't like to pass anyone on, but they do have a lot more experience than i do for sure, so you never know and there's nothing to lose

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ORIGINAL: ralphtricky

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ORIGINAL: Der Zeitgeist

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ORIGINAL: Grim.Reaper

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ORIGINAL: zakblood

as nothing seemed to work for you Grim.Reaper, only other suggestion is play as it is for now and hope as soon as the first patch comes out it makes it more playable, as plenty have managed to play it on a lot less resources than your spec / report has

not an option to play. as already stated, it’s an extreme chore to play under these conditions when every click takes many seconds and throws your mouse pointer in different places and if you attempt to change zoom at all it often locks up and if it does work, queues up the requests and then goes out of control. no way working through that is an acceptable or enjoyable experience.

i don’t often return games and i really want to play this one, but if not corrected in the patch, i’ll likely seek a refund. hopefully there is a possible resolution found especially since not just me with the issue.

I have the same problem with the mouse cursor getting shifted to a different part of the screen after clicking, although without any larger pauses or hangups.

CORRECTION: Actually, the mouse cursor jumping around might be intentional, as it seems to jump to the button the game thinks you will be most likely to press next. It's just kind of unusual.

It tries to hop to the close button, then restore to where it was. I don't like a program moving the mouse in general but it helps a lot when playing. I hadn't thought about how annoying it might be if you weren't expecting it though. I'll see what I can do to make that an option in a future patch.

Ralph

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ORIGINAL: drwho

I did both: safelisted the both folders and set "nosound=Y" (not "nosound = Y" as ralphtricky suggested), no change. My turn plays well, PO runs it's turn (it actually gets a bit sluggish during the last 20% of the PO turn for the PO too :) and then the sluggishness spreads to me too.

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ORIGINAL: ralphtricky
It tries to hop to the close button, then restore to where it was. I don't like a program moving the mouse in general but it helps a lot when playing. I hadn't thought about how annoying it might be if you weren't expecting it though. I'll see what I can do to make that an option in a future patch.

Ralph

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ORIGINAL: Grim.Reaper

I know not potentially helpful or relevant because they are different versions, but again just fired up TOAW3 using the same scenario (Korea) and don't experience any of the issues described. No delays at all clicking on buttons, screens really popup fast, and although scrolling is different in the older version, it works without queuing up commands and going out of control. Also noticed the older version does not reposition your cursor after you make a selection which seems a lot better in my opinion (then the new design).

Just something about the newer version that my system doesn't seem to play nice with.....going through screens and such in the older version just seems to move more efficiently for me.

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ORIGINAL: ralphtricky

I'm adding a flag for the patch. Once it's out if you put the following line in your opart 4.ini file it may help isolate what's going on.

TOAW 4 is more aggressive about putting textures into video memory so that graphics card can be used, it's a lot more efficient than the CPU. smallram forces those textures onto the CPU so it may run slower, but if there's a video driver issue, it may help.

Ralph

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ORIGINAL: ralphtricky

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ORIGINAL: Grim.Reaper

I know not potentially helpful or relevant because they are different versions, but again just fired up TOAW3 using the same scenario (Korea) and don't experience any of the issues described. No delays at all clicking on buttons, screens really popup fast, and although scrolling is different in the older version, it works without queuing up commands and going out of control. Also noticed the older version does not reposition your cursor after you make a selection which seems a lot better in my opinion (then the new design).

Just something about the newer version that my system doesn't seem to play nice with.....going through screens and such in the older version just seems to move more efficiently for me.

Which is really weird. I'm using pretty much the exact same windows calls for III and IV.

I did run across this recent discussion about similar symptoms with Radeon cards.
https://community.amd.com/thread/218704