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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/20/2018 2:00:10 PM   
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In the north flank our troops have reached Rzhev. The town is heavily defended, it may take some time before we can take it. 57th Panzer Korps captured important town of Sychyovka south of Rzhev. All little towns are now important, the enemy defense is strong, we have to fight for every hex.

In the south flank the situation is different. After the fall of Bryansk our supply situation improved considerably. The enemy was weak in this area and 2nd Panzer Armee was able to advance all the way to the gates of Orel.
10th Motorized Division was advancing NE towards Kozelsk.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 9:38:43 AM   
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Kiev is ours! 6th Armee takes the city after bitter street fight. Now it’s time to take out surrounded enemy divisions and then continue east towards Kharkov.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 9:45:02 AM   
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Meanwhile SS Division LAH captures Dnepropetrovsk and vital Dneper bridges. The enemy was completely surprised, and the city fell without fight.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 9:49:39 AM   
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Crisis near Volkhov

8th Panzer Division Captures the bridge north of Volkhov. Losses are light, but it’s not possible to continue assault because lack of supplies.

The enemy rails several formations right to the front. Then initiative shifts, and troops unload from trains and move right to attack. 8th PD HQ comes under attack and has to retreat. Then Soviet 10th Rifle division makes several assaults against Volkhov defended only 3rd Motorized Pionier Battalion. Artillery saves the day.

Meanwhile 18th Armee reduces pocket south of Leningrad. Only Gatchina garrison remains. Railhead has moved north of Luga River and the supply situation is improving.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 10:01:45 AM   
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1st Panzer Armee moves east towards Kharkov. There are no enemy units near, only supply limits our advance. 16th Mororized Division is advancing towards Gadyach.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 10:15:03 AM   
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24th Panzer Korps captures Orel. After the fall of Bryansk the supply situation is good. 10th Motorized Division is advancing on the left flank of 2nd Pz Armee. By the end of turn division arrives Kozelsk.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 10:31:25 AM   
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New enemy units arrive from east every day. They are obviously trying to relieve Leningrad pocket before it’s too late. The supply situation on Volkhov Front is not good enough to continue our attack. 4th Panzer Armee is going to dig in and defend Volkhov line against enemy counterattack.

Leningrad is out of supply. Outer defense line has been wiped out and the assault to the city is about to begin. Supply situation around Leningrad is good.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 10:55:05 AM   
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We have now reached Rzhev - Vyazma – Orel line. Our troops are tired after heavy fighting. Railhead is already east of Smolensk, but it is too far to continue advance to Moscow. The enemy moves new units to the front every day. They are attacking in two areas: In the center along Vyazma-Moscow highway, and in our right flank against Orel.

10th Motorized Division is moving towards Kaluga.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 11:05:56 AM   
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Forward elements od 1st Panzer Armee captured Poltava. The supply situation is poor, but there are no enemy units near, so we keep driving east.

16th Motorized Division captured Gadyach and was driving towards Lebedyn.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 11:22:03 AM   
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Meanwhile near Black Sea. 11th Armee penetrated Perekop Isthmus and is advancing to Krim.

Odessa Fell few days ago. Rumanian 4th Army is marching east. First divisions have reached Nikolayev.

17th Armee has reached Dneper River near Dnepropetrovsk. Divisions are exhausted after hard a march. Supply situation is poor. We can´t go on until it improves.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 12:37:05 PM   
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AGN: Leningrad is surrounded and out of supply. Supply situation is improving as railhead is moving closer.

AGC: Our troops are on Rzhev – Vyazma – Orel line. Supply situation is ok in the center near Vyazma. On both flanks the supply situation is worse.

AGS: Our troops are moving towards Kharkov. In south our troops have reached Krim. Lack of supply is limiting our speed.

Losses in the first 20 turns: (last 5 turns in parenthesis)
19136 (+4941) Heavy Rifle Squads
1937 (+732) Rifle Squad – Rum
62 (+7) Rifle Squad – Hun
1592 (+275) Rifle Squad – Fin
129 (+105) Rifle Squad - Ita
2494 (+584) Engineer Squads
542 (+98) Panzers (all types)
456 (+121) Fighters (all types)
150 (+14) Stukas
674 (+131) Bombers (all types)

Railheads are on the map in cyan.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 12:47:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here are the unit reports in the beginning of turn 20. All three units are close to full strength. They have got some replacements, but proficiency remains high level.




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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 4:14:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks again for your detailed reports, Jukipo. Good stuff!

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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/22/2018 10:10:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jukipo

Turn 20, 8/27/41 AGN

New enemy units arrive from east every day. They are obviously trying to relieve Leningrad pocket before it’s too late. The supply situation on Volkhov Front is not good enough to continue our attack. 4th Panzer Armee is going to dig in and defend Volkhov line against enemy counterattack.

Leningrad is out of supply. Outer defense line has been wiped out and the assault to the city is about to begin. Supply situation around Leningrad is good.






I've gotta wonder, does Elemer have anyone on the northeast bank of the Neva, or could you cross the river along the lake shore and flank the entire defensive position?

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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 9:51:30 AM   
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The enemy is attacking against our line near Vyazma and Rzhev. Several Soviet units evaporate in our artillery fire. We are going to hold this line and resupply our troops. When the enemy units are exhausted we’ll strike through with fresh Panzer Divisions.

Meanwhile between Vyazma and Orel we captured Yukhnov. 2nd Panzer Armee reached Oka River. There have been hard battles near Orel. The enemy is trying to recapture town.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 10:00:39 AM   
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Drive to the East continues. Forward divisions are close to Kharkov, but the bulk of our troops are far behind. 16th Motorized Division takes Lebedyn.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 10:11:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		September 7th, 1941 Axis capture Leningrad! German Forces March into Leningrad.




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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 10:21:10 AM   
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Leningrad is captured. After the fall of city 38th Korps advances to NE to the shore of Lake Ladoga. Finnish units help to take out divisions guarding the old border line.

SS Polizei Division Assaults Oranienbaum garrison.

Railhead is near Lyuban moving SE.

8th Panzer Division is near Volkhov.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 10:51:42 AM   
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The front line remains almost where it was two weeks ago. 9th Armee takes Rzhev after a hard fight. In the middle we capture Gzhatsk. The enemy assaults every day against our line, their losses are high. Panzer Divisions are resting near Vyazma.

Railhead is only 70 km from Vyazma.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 11:06:26 AM   
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For the past week panzer divisions have been waiting fuel. Now 6th Armee infantry divisions have arrived to the front and the final push to Kharkov is about to begin.

In the South the supply situation is so bad that 17th Armee can’t advance further. Regiments are forming defensive positions. Enemy activity is very light in this area.




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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 11:10:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jukipo

September 7th, 1941 Axis capture Leningrad! German Forces March into Leningrad.





I'm a bit curious about these messages, both in terms of the 3 divisions being stood down twice (dupe message, or was a 2nd corp supposed to be notified too); along with the intended impact. Freezing out 3 of ~18 divs while letting the rest go across the old stop lines fairly limited as a way to hold the Finns back; and arguably leaves the Finns in a worse position later in the war if the Axis barely manages to take Lenningrad but otherwise has a mostly historical level of advance. With the stop line already a house rule I'd've been tempted to just add a second requiring the Finns to park divisions in X, Y, and Z as garrisons unless/until they were threatened with imminent recapture by the Soviets.

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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 11:17:54 AM   
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11th Armee is resting near Dzhankoy. Rumanian 4th Army arrived Krim. Frontlines are near Sevastopol and Feodosia.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 11:30:22 AM   
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I'm a bit curious about these messages, both in terms of the 3 divisions being stood down twice (dupe message, or was a 2nd corp supposed to be notified too); along with the intended impact. Freezing out 3 of ~18 divs while letting the rest go across the old stop lines fairly limited as a way to hold the Finns back; and arguably leaves the Finns in a worse position later in the war if the Axis barely manages to take Lenningrad but otherwise has a mostly historical level of advance. With the stop line already a house rule I'd've been tempted to just add a second requiring the Finns to park divisions in X, Y, and Z as garrisons unless/until they were threatened with imminent recapture by the Soviets.


The player has four turns to move divisions where he wants until freeze. I have decided to put divisions in a line from Leningrad to East along Neva. If the front line ever goes back to Leningrad those divisions are already in place defending Neva line. I believe divisions are relieved again if attacked by Soviets?

I think it's realistic to take out 3 divisions for guard duty. Leningrad had a population of 3400000 about the same as whole Finland.

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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 11:46:16 AM   
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Leningrad had a population of 3400000 about the same as whole Finland

Thank you for that factoid.......I did not know that. I'll keep that in mind.

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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 12:07:05 PM   
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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 12:09:00 PM   
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Thanks again for your detailed reports, Jukipo. Good stuff!


Thanks for reading!

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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/23/2018 12:42:17 PM   
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Leningrad is captured. The first Barbarossa objective is completed. What next?

The next objective is Moscow. There are two attack plans. Plan Green and Plan Yellow.

Plan Green. AGN is going to advance from Leningrad area to SE along Leningrad Moscow railroad. AGC is going to attack Moscow from west. Distance from Leningrad front to Moscow is 500 km, terrain is not suitable for tank battles and the winter is coming.

Plan Yellow. AGN is going defensive along the current frontline. Most of the 4th Panzer Armee moves to Vyazma by train and is attached to AGC. Reinforced AGC attacks towards Moscow. There is only 170 km to the Red Square. First Objectives are Kaluga, Naro Frominsk and Tula.

Plan Yellow was chosen. The attack will begin on 17th of September (Turn 26).

Losses in the first 25 turns: (last 5 turns in parenthesis)

21762 (+2626) Heavy Rifle Squads
2100 (+163) Rifle Squad – Rum
166 (+104) Rifle Squad – Hun
1834 (+242) Rifle Squad – Fin
143 (+14) Rifle Squad - Ita
2805 (+311) Engineer Squads
652 (+110) Panzers (all types)
621 (+165) Fighters (all types)
172 (+22) Stukas
795 (+121) Bombers (all types)

Railheads are on the map in cyan. Planned rail lines are in dotted lines.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/25/2018 9:30:41 AM   
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Last remaining enemy units in the Carelian Isthmus have surrendered. Finnish 4th Corps goes to garrison status near Leningrad. Finnish 2nd Corps is moving to Volkhov front. SS Polizei Division was transferred to Vyazma by train. 1st Panzer Division is boarding train near Kolpino. 8th Panzer division and SS Totenkopf are going to be transferred too.

Railhead is near Batetskiy moving south.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/25/2018 10:01:01 AM   
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Operation Leberwurst has begun! The goal of this operation is to reach Kalinin – Naro Frominsk – Tula line. 9th Armee is going to attack from Rzhev towards Kalinin. 3rd Panzer Armee is going to advance along Vyazma – Moscow highway. 4th Armee will take Kaluga and then move east towards Serpukhov. 24th Panzer Korps is fighting on right flank near Mitsensk, they’ll join the attack once the town is captured. Reinforcements are arriving from Leningrad by train.

10th Motorized division is attacking towards Kaluga.





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RE: Thriumph or Tragedy? (D21) - 1/25/2018 10:08:52 AM   
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6th Armee divisions are in the suburbs of Kharkov.





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