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WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 2:16:29 PM   
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With my Campaign for N.Africa game with Warspite cracking along and being hugely enjoyable I am looking to follow this up as the Axis in Sicily/Italy (assuming I can find a willing Allied opponent).

Can anyone who is familiar with them recommend which of the available scenarios included in the game is the best balanced and structured in their view? I am happy with longer scenarios but also happy with shorter ones.

I was thinking of the Italian Campaign 1943-45 or Bitter Victory Sicilian Campaign followed by the Italian Campaign. Does anyone have any views...?

Thanks in advance

Ian

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 2:43:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: devoncop

Hi all

With my Campaign for N.Africa game with Warspite cracking along and being hugely enjoyable I am looking to follow this up as the Axis in Sicily/Italy (assuming I can find a willing Allied opponent).

Can anyone who is familiar with them recommend which of the available scenarios included in the game is the best balanced and structured in their view? I am happy with longer scenarios but also happy with shorter ones.

I was thinking of the Italian Campaign 1943-45 or Bitter Victory Sicilian Campaign followed by the Italian Campaign. Does anyone have any views...?

Thanks in advance

Ian

From Sicily to Brenner Pass I'd recommend; there you got Sicily (obviously) and then the way up the boot.

Klink, Oberst

P.S.: Back in the TOAW IV days, I did PBEM playtest it against the designer; was fun!

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 3:13:58 PM   
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Will check it out.

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 3:50:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you go with Sicily to Brenner Pass, you might want to check this out. A couple of us put some efforts into bringing this one up to later versions of the game.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4385457


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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 3:54:57 PM   
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Can I confirm for a PBEM++ game (scenario without the "A") suffix this is the one included in the game or do I need to do something "techy" to mod the stock scenario........as a hint I am a PC neanderthal so if it involves a manual mod it is likely a no go :-)

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 4:01:07 PM   
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I am a PC neanderthal

Oh dear, it is a separate file that needs to be added, so nevermind

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 4:03:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Below are the file installation instructions, so that you can decide if you want to try it or not.

File Installation

Note that you MUST work within 'Documents/My Games/The Operational Art of War IV'. If you attempt to work within 'Program Files/...', installation will not function properly.

Place the scenario file [the file with the .sce extension] and any document type file [if one is included] in the Scenario Folder of your choice.

If the zipped file contains a folder with the scenario name, go to 'The Operational Art of War IV' directory and place it in the 'Graphics Override' folder.

If the zipped file contains files in addition to the scenario and text files, go to 'The Operational Art of War IV' directory and open the 'Graphics Override' folder. Create a new folder called 'Name of Scenario' [must read EXACTLY as the Scenario Name]. Place the additional files into the folder you just created.

If the zipped file contains a 'Graphics' folder, go to 'The Operational Art of War IV' directory and open the 'Graphics Override' folder. Create a new folder called 'Name of Scenario' [must read EXACTLY as the Scenario Name]. Place the contents of the 'Graphics' folder into the folder you just created.

Please remember, you MUST work within 'Documents/My Games/The Operational Art of War IV', NOT within 'Program Files/...' in order for these additions/changes to function properly.

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 4:05:18 PM   
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I am a PC neanderthal

Oh dear, it is a separate file that needs to be added, so nevermind



Such is my life

Thanks anyway. I am looking at the stock version but obviously if there are huge problems with it I don't want to pitch into such a monster scenario and find it doesn't work well 200 turns in !

I have to say is LOOKS great but more investigation needed maybe.

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 4:31:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: devoncop


quote:

ORIGINAL: sPzAbt653

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I am a PC neanderthal

Oh dear, it is a separate file that needs to be added, so nevermind



Such is my life

Thanks anyway. I am looking at the stock version but obviously if there are huge problems with it I don't want to pitch into such a monster scenario and find it doesn't work well 200 turns in !

I have to say is LOOKS great but more investigation needed maybe.

Which stock version we're talking about? And, you want to play against the AI or PBEM? If Steve points out to me where I can find the AI version (AI for the Allies or Axis?!), I will have a look at it. After all, always had a jolly good time in blighty...

Klink, Oberst

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 4:35:44 PM   
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I am looking at playing PBEM++ ideally. The scenario I am looking at is Sicily to Brenner Pass 43-45 by Quisling in the Med WW2 folder.I

Cheers

Ian

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 4:52:53 PM   
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Hi Oberst

I am looking at playing PBEM++ ideally. The scenario I am looking at is Sicily to Brenner Pass 43-45 by Quisling in the Med WW2 folder.I

Cheers

Ian

Ian

because I never bumped into a devious copper while living/working in the Home Counties (in fact, one of my boozin' mates was from the Mets!), I will get the scenario improved by Steve, dump it into my folders and show you a screenshot how you, as a non-computer nerd, you can play it ;) Deal?

Oh, in case I pop up in Exeter... find a boozer who got some good nosh and reasonable prices for a pint of Guinness down there, eh?

Klink, Oberst

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 4:56:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		1st, get the .ZIP from the link Steve mentioned. Now, you unzip the folder (see screenshot) into \Documents\My Games\The Operational Art of War IV\Graphics Override.

Klink, Oberst




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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 4:59:11 PM   
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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 5:01:10 PM   
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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 5:08:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: devoncop

Hi all

With my Campaign for N.Africa game with Warspite cracking along and being hugely enjoyable I am looking to follow this up as the Axis in Sicily/Italy (assuming I can find a willing Allied opponent).

Can anyone who is familiar with them recommend which of the available scenarios included in the game is the best balanced and structured in their view? I am happy with longer scenarios but also happy with shorter ones.

I was thinking of the Italian Campaign 1943-45 or Bitter Victory Sicilian Campaign followed by the Italian Campaign. Does anyone have any views...?

Thanks in advance

Ian
warspite1

Hi devoncop - I'm up for a game if you fancy it!

P.S I don't really understand all that sloblocks above, but if someone can point me in the right direction and if you want a game then count me in.

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 5:31:22 PM   
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... obviously if there are huge problems with it ...

I didn't mean to imply that at all, the original is ok, the update is a little more ok'er

If you really want to enjoy all that TOAW has to offer, you should, if possible, devote a little time to getting a grasp of the files, where they are and how to get them there. Relying on official releases gets you less bang for your buck. There are plenty folks here that will help you.

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 5:48:16 PM   
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... obviously if there are huge problems with it ...

I didn't mean to imply that at all, the original is ok, the update is a little more ok'er

If you really want to enjoy all that TOAW has to offer, you should, if possible, devote a little time to getting a grasp of the files, where they are and how to get them there. Relying on official releases gets you less bang for your buck. There are plenty folks here that will help you.

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sloblocks

Hey! I didn't talk b*llocks :o I was just trying to visualise what Stevo suggested to help Ian to get one or the other latest version of the scenario working.

Klink, Oberst

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 5:59:37 PM   
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... obviously if there are huge problems with it ...

I didn't mean to imply that at all, the original is ok, the update is a little more ok'er

If you really want to enjoy all that TOAW has to offer, you should, if possible, devote a little time to getting a grasp of the files, where they are and how to get them there. Relying on official releases gets you less bang for your buck. There are plenty folks here that will help you.

quote:

sloblocks

Hey! I didn't talk b*llocks :o I was just trying to visualise what Stevo suggested to help Ian to get one or the other latest version of the scenario working.

Klink, Oberst
warspite1

No I never suggested you were - hence I used the comedy term sloblocks (of A Bit of Fry and Laurie fame ).

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x306tt8

All computery language is sloblocks to me because I don't understand it - but am willing to take any assistance I can get to play this fine game.


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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 6:13:03 PM   
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Alas... I always like them best in...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xwhl50

See... Mai Zuperiorz in Berlin prepared me varry vell voor zee tasks in zee United Kingdom back in zee dayzs LOL

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 6:41:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Myself and Warspite are now starting the epic struggle for Italy.

Kesselring's finest await the Allied horde......

Sincere thanks to all the help offered.

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 7:09:26 PM   
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Myself and Warspite are now starting the epic struggle for Italy.

Kesselring's finest await the Allied horde......

Sincere thanks to all the help offered.

Repulzz zee Allied hordz into zee zea, General :D Vee haff to hack our vay zruuh!

Can't wait for for AAR!

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 7:32:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Warspite is the man for the AAR's........May be a big job given the scale. He is brilliant at them though.

I obviously havent had the chance to read the one he is doing for the CFNA but I can see it is getting quite long and I will look forward to eventually read all about my screw ups from another perspective :-)

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 7:49:40 PM   
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Warspite is the man for the AAR's........May be a big job given the scale. He is brilliant at them though.

I obviously havent had the chance to read the one he is doing for the CFNA but I can see it is getting quite long and I will look forward to eventually read all about my screw ups from another perspective :-)
warspite1

Yes I'll do an AAR for this - but the game will be slow in the early turns I suspect....

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 7:55:47 PM   
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Good Luck Everyone!

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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 8:03:22 PM   
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Well, what to say me lads? Good sports!

Good Luck Everyone!

Klink, Oberst
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What an amazing, tear-jerking end to the series that was...


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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 8:15:21 PM   
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Well, what to say me lads? Good sports!

Good Luck Everyone!

Klink, Oberst
warspite1

What an amazing, tear-jerking end to the series that was...


As much as Blackadder goes Forth was funny and sad (at the end), 3rd one (especially the Scarlet Pimpernel episode!) was f00kin fab!

... in a Scarlet Pimpernel sauce....

Klink, Oberst


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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 9:39:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Last episode of Blackadder Goes Forth was simple genius.

Up there with the final Christmas Episode of "The Office" as my most rewatched comedy programme.



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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 9:48:59 PM   
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Last episode of Blackadder Goes Forth was simple genius.

Up there with the final Christmas Episode of "The Office" as my most rewatched comedy programme.


warspite1

One of the brilliant things about The Office was the whole Dawn and Tim thing. Heart-warming and a great foil for the hilarious but cringe-makingly, embarrassingly awful character that was David Brent. I love the final episode for 'their' ending - beautiful.



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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/30/2018 9:52:38 PM   
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RE: WW2 Italian Campaign MP advice - 1/31/2018 8:00:38 AM   
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Myself and Warspite are now starting the epic struggle for Italy.


That's a shame I'd have been up for some of that action.

If either of you two fancy another game of anything ping me a PM, up for any sized game - currently enjoying a CFNA pbem at the moment too.

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