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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/7/2018 6:17:38 AM   
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4th December 1943

The partisan position. One band of guerillas has taken Como in the north. The road into Milan from the west is controlled by the partisans and one group are operating in the western suburbs of the city itself. A third unit is approaching the southern suburbs.

On partisan band is in trouble. The unit previously attacked is now being assailed by a panzer formation near Tortana.




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/7/2018 4:19:11 PM   
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I'm going to need to get moving. There were 12 bombardments and while the individual % were no greater than 8% - these losses are really starting to mount up.

In the north devoncop is getting to grips with the partisan situation and dealing with the problem in the way that Germans of the period tended to do...... reasoned debate, a fair hearing and good all-round civilised behaviour is not the order of the day....

Damn, I must have badly mis-judged my second round because suddenly all rounds are finished. That leaves a Canadian Brigade in trouble.....

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/7/2018 7:30:36 PM   
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The Canadians survived the attack that the Germans launch. The Partisans continue to take losses while being forced back. Steady losses are maintained by German bombardment of British and US positions.

The Germans reinforce Torino, where one of my partisan units was on their way too.

There was hard fighting around Naples-Avallino and in the centre. Losses were generally worse for the Germans but tanks loses were significantly worse for the CW and field artillery for the Germans.

Central Naples falls to British units, while the Canadians make progress east of Avallino.




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/8/2018 12:03:57 AM   
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are you sure that's actually out of supply? It's showing some equipment as damaged, not destroyed. AFAIK if OOS all losses are destroyed.
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No the question was - how is this unit in supply? It is totally surrounded by enemy units, there are no towns to draw any supply from, the unit is hemmed in by rivers with no bridges, there are no tracks - much less roads - that lead to anywhere that are not cut-off. Just seems very strange.



Based on the screenshot shown, it's only surrounded on 5 hexes. The 3 you occupy and the 2 adjacent to it. The 6th to the rear is open, and supply can be traced through non-occupied/non-ZOCed hexes, unless you have a solid wall of occupied/ZOCed hexes to block it, which doesn't appear to be the case from any of your zoomed out shots. Based on the screenshots I'd guess its probably getting 1 or 2 supply points/turn; and if over extended rules are turned on will end up in trouble and start withering away after a few turns anyway. IIRC just being overextended dumps equipment into the replacement pool vs the dead pool for out of supply.

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/8/2018 6:50:55 AM   
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are you sure that's actually out of supply? It's showing some equipment as damaged, not destroyed. AFAIK if OOS all losses are destroyed.
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No the question was - how is this unit in supply? It is totally surrounded by enemy units, there are no towns to draw any supply from, the unit is hemmed in by rivers with no bridges, there are no tracks - much less roads - that lead to anywhere that are not cut-off. Just seems very strange.



Based on the screenshot shown, it's only surrounded on 5 hexes. The 3 you occupy and the 2 adjacent to it. The 6th to the rear is open, and supply can be traced through non-occupied/non-ZOCed hexes, unless you have a solid wall of occupied/ZOCed hexes to block it, which doesn't appear to be the case from any of your zoomed out shots. Based on the screenshots I'd guess its probably getting 1 or 2 supply points/turn; and if over extended rules are turned on will end up in trouble and start withering away after a few turns anyway. IIRC just being overextended dumps equipment into the replacement pool vs the dead pool for out of supply.
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Yeah, I just think intuitively, it seems wrong but hey ho, it is what it is.


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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/8/2018 6:56:31 AM   
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There is evidence that the German forces are starting to thin out around Naples and to the east. Not a wholesale retreat by any means but I detect some forces heading for Rome.

But sufficient enemy forces stay to cause major casualties to my Commonwealth infantry - this is becoming a serious problem....circa 150 rifle squads lost that turn....

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/8/2018 7:21:53 AM   
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7th December 1943

PARTIZAN!!



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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/8/2018 7:26:54 AM   
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The CW forces - despite grievous losses - push on to finish the job in Naples. The 9th New Zealand Brigade force a gap to the east of the city. Unfortunately there is support only from a battalion of British infantry. Let's hope for the Kiwis sake that the main attack to the south works....




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/8/2018 7:37:17 AM   
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Damn, the attack was a success - but the turn ended before I had the chance to get a screenshot of progress by US forces to the north east of Naples. Like at real life D-Day, while the British are engaging the main German units, the US forces are working the angle. I'll provide detail next turn but I am happy with the progress the infantry divisions (with tank reserves from 5th Army) are making here. If the Germans contest Naples too much longer they may find themselves surrounded (subject of course to what the Germans have available in Rome and environs.....).

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/8/2018 8:02:27 PM   
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8th December 1943

The German bombardments are limited to just two this turn - thank goodness.


As promised, a look at the US formations pushing on Benevento - I've managed to consolidate four infantry divisions east of the town. That perennial bug bear - supply - is a constant problem however....



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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/9/2018 9:40:27 PM   
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9th December 1943

An interesting turn. The southern group of partisans have taken losses and are in real danger of being wiped out.

Annoyingly another German straggler has broken free and is operating behind the lines.....

The Germans launched 6 bombardments - all against the CW - and caused reasonable casualties.

In response the CW have cleared the northern suburbs of Naples.

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/9/2018 9:52:14 PM   
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The southern group of partisans have taken losses and are in real danger of being wiped out.

It just dawns on me that Ian and I didn't have any partisans to deal with and I'm wondering if you're playing
an old version of the scenario or what. Is there a T.O. to activate them or something?

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 4:39:15 AM   
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The southern group of partisans have taken losses and are in real danger of being wiped out.

It just dawns on me that Ian and I didn't have any partisans to deal with and I'm wondering if you're playing
an old version of the scenario or what. Is there a T.O. to activate them or something?
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We're using the version that came with the game - sadly I don't have the understanding of computers to be able to muck about with mods and stuff so I am limited to what comes with the game

I wasn't really paying attention to the partisans but I certainly didn't need to employ theatre options or anything; they just turned up over time in the far north. I did notice a few times in the reinforcements schedule 'Partisans' and the word Rome - but I've never received any in Rome as far as I'm aware (and I'm sure I would have seen them get destroyed if they had).


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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 6:11:47 AM   
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10th December 1943

I have the Polish Divsion - Huzzah! - They are Blue not Red - Hurrooo




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 6:17:02 AM   
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This is good news. The partisans are costing the Germans increasing amounts of manpower - and some of their attacks are quite costly too....


This is attack no.1



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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 6:20:20 AM   
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10th December 1943

The irritating Germans continue to get in behind my lines, interdicting road and rail comms




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/10/2018 7:02:01 AM   
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The start of Round 2 and the thin screen that devoncop placed north of Naples has been broken....

I am unable to surround the units to the west and they are able to retreat from two engagements. The unit north of Avallino also manages to survive.

I am able to start bringing up fighters to airfields in the Salerno area and will do the same around Naples as soon as a) the last of the Germans are evicted and b) the rail line has been repaired, maximising supply.




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/11/2018 5:33:07 PM   
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11th December 1943

No damage or casualties to the CW/US forces this turn, but the partisan brigades have taken something of a hammering. If possible I will seek to withdraw into the mountains.....


Note the Full Strength nos. are for each unit, the depleted unit nos. are the total of each split unit.



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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/12/2018 9:10:35 AM   
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The sneaky devoncop has got some serious units in behind US VI Corps. These units have gone from being an irritating pain in the wotsits to a serious problem.... German forces are also appearing west of Capua and attacked.

I need to organise my CW forces - they've all got a little spread out in the general melee and pursuit. I also have no choice now but to employ what remains of the 82nd Airborne in the front line.




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/12/2018 9:15:38 AM   
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Before moving any units I check the reinforcement schedule and am greeted with the unwelcome news that the 7th Armoured Division are being withdrawn - good job I checked, but I should have had a handle on this sooner.

As for the turn itself, there was a lot of movement of units into new positions - but not too much action. The focus is on clearing the ever increasingly troublesome straggler units, while not taking the mickey against the Germans. I don't know what they've got still to come, but I do not whatever it is, they will hurt if one isn't careful.

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/12/2018 5:47:53 PM   
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The Germans are really getting on my **** They continue to fight back - smacking partisans in the north, and the Americans in the centre. Although there were 10 bombardments and 1 attack, the losses are relatively light.

My turn was spent as before. This is a real waste of time - I have to get moving but I can't because a) my comms aren't secure, and b) supply remains a problem

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/13/2018 7:27:18 AM   
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14th December 1943

Well that's not exactly friendly is it boys and girls? I had best to try and assess the damage.....but it looks like a couple of partisan units were destroyed in RBC too.

EDIT: Okay its not as bad as it first appears; there are a lot of 0% here and the two big 33% ones are against the partisans. Phew.....




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/13/2018 8:13:57 AM   
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14th December 1943

The turn sees more of the same; I give below a 'big picture' look at Italy south of Rome. There are no longer any units on Sicily, or the extreme south (except the 'dead pool' of duplicate divisions you may recall from earlier in the game (just out of picture)). As airfields (with sufficient supply) become available, so I move my aircraft north. I can't yet use the massed airfields around Foggia but my engineers are (slowly) working on it.... There are therefore still about a dozen squadrons in the 'toe' of Italy and 9 in the heel.




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/14/2018 4:00:43 PM   
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15th December 1943

Another relatively harmless turn - unless you're a partisan....and there aren't many of those left anymore.....

...not too much to report for the Allies either. The only thing of note is that the lead elements of the 78th Infantry Division took Terracina from a battalion of the 65th Division that decided to put itself into the lions mouth...

Turn 160
16th December 1943

Yet more of the same. The good news is that the German stragglers are being whittled down, the engineers are gradually getting there, and I am getting my CW forces in order for the next advance up the coast.

Turn 161
17th December 1943

All partisans in the south have been wiped out - otherwise ditto

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/15/2018 6:19:27 AM   
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18th December 1943

The Luftwaffe try and destroy a bridge but lose 56 aircraft (19 destroyed) and the bridge remains intact. The Allied air forces lose 36 fighters (8 destroyed). The only other attack against the CW was to the west where the Germans sought to give the British recce forces a bloody nose. The troops were fine but the Luftwaffe came out marginally better in the air battle that preceded it. The partisans southeast of Bergamo have almost been wiped out.

For the Allies the good news is that the first three airbases at Foggia are now operational and supply is starting to fan out from there.

In the west the British XIII Corps are advancing up the coast, although the X (Dominion) Corps needs some engineer support if its to assist on the right flank of the British.




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/15/2018 4:40:36 PM   
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Just one bombardment aimed against the British and as is now to be expected from Axis artillery - it hurt. There was further thinning out of the partisans too.

The CW artillery was not as effective. Now the units are engaged I will need to keep a running score of this to see at what point I need to pull back.

I've put all bombers on interdiction in the hope that this may help.


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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/15/2018 8:59:36 PM   
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There was the usual pasting dished out to the partisans and also two bombardments against the CW forces south of Anzio. Quelle surprise - the British Division that was to make an assault on the German front line this turn goes into reorganisation.....

Okay so let's start making a tally of losses so I can gauge better what is going on.


....And now for something completely different....reorganisation by a CW division.....



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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/15/2018 10:07:54 PM   
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Battle of Anzio - opening phase

'Round 1' to the British Army The bulk of the AGRA guns are with XIII Corps - just a couple of units with X (Dominion) Corps - hence the damage inflicted.

But I hope I haven't gone too early here. Ideally I'd line X Corps to be alongside and giving the German left flank something to worry about. However they are bogged down by German rear-guards and - more importantly - broken bridges.....




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/16/2018 6:09:37 AM   
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21st December 1943

As expected the CW advantage didn't last. The Axis artillery make mincemeat of the advancing (necessarily) heavily stacked infantry. Losses of over 200 infantry stacks in one go.

Another mini-disaster of a turn. I attacked in the centre of the line east of Anzio - the hex I had been pounding the previous turn. It was a good attack with every artillery piece from the infantry divisions and the AGRA, 101 bombers escorted by 652(!) fighters - but the results are predictable. Another 222 infantry squads consigned to the morgue.... and the enemy held the position..... and the turn ended so there was only one round. And these are second string troops I'm facing. There are no panzer divisions...

Thank goodness I make it a thing that I utilise my engineers and move most of my units first thing... but that is small consolation for the loss of almost 500 infantry squads in one full turn...

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 5/16/2018 4:46:19 PM   
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All one can do in situations like this is remember its a game and just laugh it off. Huge % in bombardment losses once more - numbers that the Allied artillery just can't get close to. Evaporating the enemy? I don't think so - not even close - even when overstacked and are being bombarded by the entire AGRA. But entire British brigades? Yeah sure no problem....

British infantry squad losses at Anzio alone now 645 Ho hum....

...and it gets worse. So I decide to bombard with everything the for four rounds the hex I'm going to attack. Four rounds, what? 8, 9 artillery units - and then attack with combined arms all artillery and all air. The Germans hold and the British lost 325 infantry squads.

Well that ends the battle for Anzio..... I'll have to withdraw and hunker down for the winter and try and find some reinforcements from somewhere.

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