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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/15/2018 9:20:48 PM   
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I have some serious looking reinforcements heading north - we'll look at these in a little more detail shortly - but in the meantime the British forces around Cosenza seek to give a battalion of panzerjaegers from the Herman Goering Division a bit of a pummelling.

The German unit is wiped out at negligible cost but the recce company does not advance until the reinforcements arrive. The British have suffered too many bloody noses so far and could do with a more sensible approach being adopted....




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/16/2018 8:11:55 PM   
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Zut alors! The Germans are on the march....




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/16/2018 10:42:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay we've hit something of a problem in that it looks like at least two divisions have been duplicated. There are a number of potential problems here - not least being that the 'extra' units may take up supplies and replacements that should be given elsewhere.

The plan will be to move these units out of the way where hopefully they won't be interdicted or take losses.

I don't know how withdrawals will be affected but we'll just have to keep an eye on this.

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/16/2018 10:57:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1
Okay we've hit something of a problem in that it looks like at least two divisions have been duplicated. There are a number of potential problems here - not least being that the 'extra' units may take up supplies and replacements that should be given elsewhere.

The plan will be to move these units out of the way where hopefully they won't be interdicted or take losses.

I don't know how withdrawals will be affected but we'll just have to keep an eye on this.

Hey warspite1 dude: Brian reports that he too has the duplicates. He reports that there's a second
1st infantry division coming too. I'm not sure if this is a bug, an oversight, or what. I've played
this scenario before and I don't remember any problems with it. This must be a newer version of
the one I played.

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 8:25:45 AM   
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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 10:14:44 AM   
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Which version are you guys playing? The original, or the newer one found here: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4385457
warspite1

The original - neither devoncop nor I have any computing skills to install files and folders an' **** .


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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 11:11:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, that explains it. I mean, StBP always was a bit twitchy. That could never happen now with the new version. It is impossible for it to harm or, by omission of action, allow to be harmed, a human player [hands the link to the new version to Larry] Are you sure you don't want to use this version?




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 11:20:12 AM   
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Well, that explains it. I mean, StBP always was a bit twitchy. That could never happen now with the new version. It is impossible for it to harm or, by omission of action, allow to be harmed, a human player [hands the link to the new version to Larry] Are you sure you don't want to use this version?



warspite1

Its not a case of wanting - its a case of what we are capable of doing sadly. So we'll just carry on wargaming (ooohh stop muckin' about) and see where we get to.


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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 11:21:34 AM   
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Right I've found the duplicates. I'll shove them in the mountains and hopefully they won't do any harm. The units are largely fully up to strength but I don't know which units the program will replenish. I'll keep an eye on it. I don't really want to disband these units in case that causes bigger issues....

The Germans have Rommel and the 7th (Ghost) Panzer Division. Well up yours matey cos I got too two of them so there!



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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 1:45:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey warspite dude....I just now re-read your entire AAR and it seems that you landed at the same
port on the mainland that Brian did and the reason you're further north is that devoncop started
building his MLR further north then I did but that's okay. It's probably what I should have done
after reading about your supply problems. Brian and I are playing the new version of the
scenario so that might make our game a little bit different from yours maybe.

I'm enjoying your AAR a lot and thanks for taking the time to do it. I appreciate it a lot.

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 3:12:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Hey warspite dude....I just now re-read your entire AAR and it seems that you landed at the same
port on the mainland that Brian did and the reason you're further north is that devoncop started
building his MLR further north then I did but that's okay. It's probably what I should have done
after reading about your supply problems. Brian and I are playing the new version of the
scenario so that might make our game a little bit different from yours maybe.

I'm enjoying your AAR a lot and thanks for taking the time to do it. I appreciate it a lot.
warspite1

Ditto


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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 3:38:00 PM   
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A really rubbish turn on my part. I spent more of it trying to get the two 'ghost' divisions out of the way. I intended to set up a barrage with my artillery but it didn't work that way. I've probably lost a recon unit as a result. Dumb play.....




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 10:06:21 PM   
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Having got plenty of artillery reinforcements I decide to go on the offensive.

The 9th Armoured Brigade spearheads the attack supported by a battalion of the 17th Infantry Brigade and a battalion of Kings Dragoon Guards. All artillery and air power (4 squadrons of RAF bombers) are brought in to support the attack against a battalion of German troops.




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/17/2018 10:19:38 PM   
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Having softened up the Axis forces with two rounds of bombardment, the forecast for the attack was Excellent with light losses. The German battalion suffers pretty high casualties - mostly destroyed - losing almost all its infantry, soft skin vehicles, trucks - most of its tanks and a third of its assault guns. However it refuses to yield ground. In return the British lose less than a dozen squads of all types and a similar number of vehicles.

But in the air its a different story; the Allied air forces numbered:
Fighters - 350
Bombers - 78

Luftwaffe brought in
Fighters - 59

The result? The Germans lose 8 aircraft (4 destroyed) while the Allies lose 17 (3 destroyed)....

The British continue the attack and this time the German battalion - with 4 MkIII panzers and 19 assault guns remaining - withdraws. The British losses are minimal and the 9th Armoured Brigade advances alone - into some pretty serious opposition....




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 7:31:56 PM   
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The Germans make a fight of it northwest of Cosenza. A regiment of tanks and a battalion of paratroopers - supported by 2 artillery regiments and some panzergrenadiers - attack the exposed 9th Armoured Brigade. The British tankers are supported by 3 artillery regiments from the British 5th and 50th and the Canadian 1st Divisions. 454 Squadron RAF are also vectored in to provide support with their Baltimores.

Losses are not dissimilar - the British lose 29 tanks while the Germans lose 28 tanks and assault guns.




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 7:50:44 PM   
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After the firefight the Germans launched two bombardments. The first, targeting the 168th Infantry Brigade and the 1st British Army Group Royal Artillery (AGRA), featured 197 bombers supported by 141 fighters. The Allies responded with 290 fighters. The British losses on the ground included 14 squads of all types and 19 large guns. The Germans lost half that number of artillery pieces and negligible infantry casualties in the counter-battery fire. But in the air the Allies get their own back - costing the Axis 38 aircraft (13 destroyed) against 12 of their own (2 destroyed).

The final action was a bombardment of the overstacked town of Cosenza. British and Canadian losses were remarkably light considering the stupid extent to which I overstacked the town

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/18/2018 8:17:08 PM   
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The movement cost off road is penal in this landscape and so there is little room for the British/Canadians to make their numbers count.

I launch a couple of bombardments before switching my attention to the panzer unit that previously attacked my armour.

Despite the presence of so much artillery and air force, the Germans inflict major losses on the British once again.

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/19/2018 4:48:25 AM   
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The Germans limit their turn to three bombardments of the exposed 138th British Brigade north of Cosenza. The infantry really take one for the team here with large losses of rifle squads and other equipment.

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/19/2018 4:53:49 AM   
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I have to try and force a breakthrough. Ideally I want to attack the enemy position on my left flank as I want the road - rather than the right flank and more mountains. For Round 1 I set in place more bombardments...




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/19/2018 4:56:53 AM   
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In yet another display of frightening ineptitude, it appears I attacked the coastal road rather than just bombard it.

The 169th Infantry Brigade actually forced the defenders back too! Yeah...ahem.... that was he plan all along....

Sadly this effort has sapped the British strength, there is only 20% of the turn left and few artillery units....

With my units so tightly packed (and so a magnet for bombardment) I have little choice but to keep going. My last attack is in the centre against the enemy panzers.

Only my air units show - rather than any land combat. I've managed to inflict some damage but this is a very powerful division. So while the attack cost the Germans:

2 x PzKwIII
6 x PzkwIV
6 x Panthers, and
2 x assault guns

he still has 163 tanks and assault guns here.

What turned out to be just a bombardment also cost the Luftwaffe 8 fighters (4 destroyed) against the Allies 5 aircraft (2 destroyed).

So by no means a bad turn, but its difficult to see a way through, and unless I can get some supplies to the US force on the east of the peninsular, there will be no help coming from that quarter either....




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/19/2018 6:50:34 AM   
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Yet more bombardment pain handed out. But there really is no alternative but to press on.




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/19/2018 6:50:57 AM   
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Supplies or no supplies, I slowly move the US forces forward on the east coast to try and relieve the pressure. There is still some way to go before the rail line is running, and if this doesn't cure the supply issue then I am totally stuffed.

After a wholly ineffectual round of bombardment I throw everything at the panzers once more....





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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/19/2018 7:13:10 AM   
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I manage to push the panzers back but only advance with a weak recce unit. I don't have sufficient movement to then help this unit out. I am left to bombard the panzers for the next 2 rounds as I can't attack either.

The interdiction strikes are crippling but I have to hope that these losses are unsustainable (see circled stat). I still have no idea whether I am interdicting the enemy - I have to assume I am but I still get absolutely no announcements on this....




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 6:22:33 AM   
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On the east of the Calabrian peninsular the Germans and US forces meet up. The Germans limit themselves to four expensive bombardments that sends much of the British forces into reorganisation. The units trying to push up the west coast receive brutal treatment.

With no supply, a seemingly ineffective air force and no room for manoeuvre, its difficult to see a way through.




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 6:34:38 AM   
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After just one round of bombardment my units fail a proficiency check and the turn ends. The reorganised units have no choice but to sit there and take what is coming - which is going to be painful. Despite the entire US 12th Bomber Group on interdiction it would appear not a single aircraft flew - there are no losses for either side. German aircraft seem to interdict my forces at will but not the other way around. Ho hum.




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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 7:57:45 AM   
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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 8:07:43 AM   
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Maybe you should halt the advance until supply catches up?
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I did. The US forces did not move for ages but regardless supply did not improve at all. I can only hope that its the broken rail line causing this - but I don't know for certain. The problem is that repairing the rail line will take forever. I think devoncop's idea to defend further north appears like an excellent one as the Allies have simply out-run their supplies....

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 9:00:22 PM   
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The German artillery is devastating. I will try a little longer to try and force a breakthrough but otherwise I'll just have to retreat again.


Plenty of artillery....



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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/20/2018 9:05:03 PM   
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That's weird. The only results that show up are for Allied aircraft - 6 bombers lost (2 destroyed) but no land units - and indeed the land units that took part don't even appear on the Loss Report.

The Germans retreat at least....

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RE: STBP 1943-45 devoncop (Axis) vs warspite1 (CW) - 3/22/2018 5:59:21 AM   
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I concede defeat. The losses to Axis bombardment are simply not sustainable and outstrip replacements.

I decide to withdraw all along the front and await the repair of the railroads in the hope that this improves the awful supply situation (pictured).

In withdrawing I lost a number of units to engagement and these will no doubt be swallowed up, however, to stay where they were was murder anyway - and with no chance of breaking through.

I don't know how long it will take to repair the rail line to the front - or even if this will solve the supply issues - but its not going to be a quick repair job in any case. I have two rail repair units and they are very good - repairing a hex pretty much every turn, but the six army engineer units perhaps repair a rail hex once every 5 turns.




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