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RE: November final - 4/12/2018 8:17:40 PM

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HL- ehh you can look at the screen shots some German units are sitting next to soviet units they can easily beat turn after turn....its worth beating them just for the morale bonus for these German units in 1941...not to mention the units Im talking about are German infantry divisions.

As to the Germans suffering....ummm...look at the game map....they still took Moscow and Leningrad...and should take Stalino complex right before blizzard based on the screen shots I see.....in general still a more successful 1941 than the Germans had historically aside from the very middle of the map....and I blame that on lack of aggression lol.

Just my 2 cents as im opinionated lol.

Im waiting for the next patch which was supposedly done a long time ago from what I was told and Matrix games is apparently holding up for some reason....supposed to be fixing the JU 52 issue and several others....however Germans still seem to be doing pretty solid compared to history without JU 52s IMO.

Was a time when Soviet players could play a straight up game without the +1 and it be a good match...now Soviets basically have to have the +1 to even stay in the game is all I have seen when players with skill face each other in the last what 5+ patches things have been this way?

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RE: November final - 4/12/2018 9:40:16 PM

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HL- ehh you can look at the screen shots some German units are sitting next to soviet units they can easily beat turn after turn....its worth beating them just for the morale bonus for these German units in 1941...not to mention the units Im talking about are German infantry divisions.

As to the Germans suffering....ummm...look at the game map....they still took Moscow and Leningrad...and should take Stalino complex right before blizzard based on the screen shots I see.....in general still a more successful 1941 than the Germans had historically aside from the very middle of the map....and I blame that on lack of aggression lol.

Just my 2 cents as im opinionated lol.

Im waiting for the next patch which was supposedly done a long time ago from what I was told and Matrix games is apparently holding up for some reason....supposed to be fixing the JU 52 issue and several others....however Germans still seem to be doing pretty solid compared to history without JU 52s IMO.

Was a time when Soviet players could play a straight up game without the +1 and it be a good match...now Soviets basically have to have the +1 to even stay in the game is all I have seen when players with skill face each other in the last what 5+ patches things have been this way?

Leningrad was pretty much given to the Germans Chaos45. Not to mention the retreat in front of Moscow lead to Moscow falling pretty darn easy. So as you have your opnion, and I respect that, I have mine and everything that has happened in this game was pretty much given to the Germans. And then the Germans are fighting hard to supply those troops deep in Russia. Under current patch the Soviets can put up a good fight without giving up the farm because of logistics and less worry from HQ BUs. I have played on both sides of this patch and nothing like the older patches.

Now having said that I think this game is a good match up between them. Knowing Brian it should be an interesting fight along with Dave resolve to hold at all cost.

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RE: November final - 4/12/2018 10:17:22 PM

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HL- ehh you can look at the screen shots some German units are sitting next to soviet units they can easily beat turn after turn....its worth beating them just for the morale bonus for these German units in 1941...not to mention the units Im talking about are German infantry divisions.

As to the Germans suffering....ummm...look at the game map....they still took Moscow and Leningrad...and should take Stalino complex right before blizzard based on the screen shots I see.....in general still a more successful 1941 than the Germans had historically aside from the very middle of the map....and I blame that on lack of aggression lol.

Just my 2 cents as im opinionated lol.

Im waiting for the next patch which was supposedly done a long time ago from what I was told and Matrix games is apparently holding up for some reason....supposed to be fixing the JU 52 issue and several others....however Germans still seem to be doing pretty solid compared to history without JU 52s IMO.

Was a time when Soviet players could play a straight up game without the +1 and it be a good match...now Soviets basically have to have the +1 to even stay in the game is all I have seen when players with skill face each other in the last what 5+ patches things have been this way?

I agree with your point on aggression, Axis can do serious damage with continuous infantry attacks by pushing down Soviet morale and further stretching their defences. The Panzers are the killer but in my view the game is quite finely balanced and that extra pressure makes a difference. Further it is not limited by supply as much as the Panzers which helps when you get further East.

There are supply problems with advancing too far towards Voronezh, it is often a black hole area with rail more advanced to north and south. I suffered heavy losses there in my game against Grognard because of being at the supply limit and only got away with it because of Sudden Death.

The Ju 52s are not quite useless if organised properly, probably a little below 50% effective.

Would disagree that the Soviets need the +1, there is no +1 in my game vs Pitaman. Am not that experienced but would judge '+1 Mild' as being much better than 'Full Blizzard' and possibly gives the Soviets an edge, other things being equal.

Great AAR, really enjoying it...

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RE: November final - 4/12/2018 10:55:03 PM

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Would disagree that the Soviets need the +1, there is no +1 in my game vs Pitaman. Am not that experienced but would judge '+1 Mild' as being much better than 'Full Blizzard' and possibly gives the Soviets an edge, other things being equal.

Concur with Tyronec here. Soviets "do not" need the +1 now in the current patch.

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RE: November final - 4/13/2018 12:43:15 AM

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RE: November final - 4/13/2018 12:44:55 AM

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I personally find Soviets have gotten an easier time of things the past couple of patches and I think no bonus and full blizzard is better with current update over +1

If you play a few games without +1 and test around Chaos you will be able to find ways of tiring out the reich before striking in earnest to get those wins instead of relying on the +1 it really is not a needed mechanic to play Soviets currently in my opinion

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November final - 4/13/2018 9:41:26 PM

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+1 maybe should end earlier. Say Nov 1. Certainly not in December

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RE: November final - 4/14/2018 12:32:04 PM

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+1 maybe should end earlier. Say Nov 1. Certainly not in December

I think I understand what you are saying but then again I don't get what you are trying to say. I think you are saying it should end prior to December, not the end of March that it is currently set to end. Correct? Then the sentence "Certainly not in December" do you mean that it should not stop or it should stop before December? This is what is throwing me off. Of course, I'm horrid at English and it may just be me.

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RE: November final - 4/16/2018 1:13:32 PM

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quote:

I think I understand what you are saying but then again I don't get what you are trying to say. I think you are saying it should end prior to December, not the end of March that it is currently set to end. Correct? Then the sentence "Certainly not in December" do you mean that it should not stop or it should stop before December? This is what is throwing me off. Of course, I'm horrid at English and it may just be me.

I did not know what the end date was when I posted that comment. Thanks now I know.

March 42 seems very late to have this +1

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RE: November final - 4/16/2018 1:37:43 PM

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quote:

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quote:

I think I understand what you are saying but then again I don't get what you are trying to say. I think you are saying it should end prior to December, not the end of March that it is currently set to end. Correct? Then the sentence "Certainly not in December" do you mean that it should not stop or it should stop before December? This is what is throwing me off. Of course, I'm horrid at English and it may just be me.

I did not know what the end date was when I posted that comment. Thanks now I know.

March 42 seems very late to have this +1

Yes, I concur with you.

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turn 23 - 4/18/2018 12:40:58 AM

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Working on getting cav units into Guard cav units

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RE: turn 23 - 4/18/2018 12:41:31 AM

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1st shock army attacks

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RE: turn 23 - 4/18/2018 12:42:20 AM

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German armor is attacked near Tula

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RE: turn 23 - 4/18/2018 12:43:32 AM

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Minor breakthrough near Kursk.

Not much of a door. More like hanging beads.

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RE: turn 23 - 4/18/2018 12:44:29 AM

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follow on tank hasty attack

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RE: turn 23 - 4/18/2018 12:46:00 AM

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final Moscow

I will try over next months to squeeze in from the sides.

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RE: turn 23 - 4/18/2018 12:46:34 AM

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final Kursk area

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RE: turn 23 - 4/18/2018 12:47:20 AM

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final Stalino

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RE: turn 23 - 4/18/2018 12:48:48 AM

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Final North Moscow.

I bring in tank army for blizzard assault.

also other troops on the way to the theater.

I want to open rr to Kalinin. only one German hex needs to be moved.

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t24 last snow - 4/18/2018 9:57:08 PM

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North open

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RE: t24 last snow - 4/18/2018 9:57:51 PM

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The open in the south.

My blizzard offensive will continue.

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RE: t24 last snow - 4/18/2018 9:59:14 PM

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+1 is nice

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RE: t24 last snow - 4/18/2018 10:00:39 PM

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The was a nice attack north of Moscow. I will have many places to attack as Germans have barely retreated from the front line.

I got a timely offensive reserve activation for this attack.

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RE: t24 last snow - 4/18/2018 10:02:21 PM

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West Tula.

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RE: t24 last snow - 4/18/2018 10:03:14 PM

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German reserve activation did not help and no support teams

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RE: t24 last snow - 4/18/2018 10:04:34 PM

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down south

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RE: t24 last snow - 4/18/2018 10:05:25 PM

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last attack around Tula for the turn

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t24 last snow rr situation - 4/18/2018 10:06:56 PM

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The rr down south. Move a few units near Kursk and I have rr set up down to orel

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RE: t24 last snow rr situation - 4/18/2018 10:09:34 PM

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And in the North, If I can move Germans one hex I will have rr set down to Kalinin.

I have built more rr construction and plain construction units then in my past games. Hopefully the RR will keep up with my future advance.