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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/3/2018 10:29:54 PM

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1st-10th Jan 44

The great Jap retreat from Burma is in full swing. Looks like I've timed it just right and almost everything apart from a few small blocking forces should make the hex across the river to the SE of Pegu without harm. He uses one of his big Chindit Para units to capture Rahaeng in northern Thailand, looks like he hopes to open up a route to Bangkok on the cheap, I'm taking steps to make sure this does not happen.

Elsewhere he finally puts Rabual out of its misery, leaving only an abandoned Kavieng and a few small bases on the east coast of New Guinea left in SOPAC. The bulk of my fleet is currently in port repairing sys damage after being at sea for the best part of six weeks.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/3/2018 11:14:56 PM

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Ugh! 1944 is a tough year for the Empire. If you can make him pay for whatever gains he makes this year, you get to do it all over again in '45. JFBs are a crazy lot!

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/4/2018 10:42:39 AM

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Ugh! 1944 is a tough year for the Empire. If you can make him pay for whatever gains he makes this year, you get to do it all over again in '45. JFBs are a crazy lot!

The air war has been really BAD. I rarely get a shot at his bombers as his sweeps decimate my fighters. I consider a 1:3 kill ratio decent at this stage of the war. Of course it does not help that I am forced to still use the Oscar and Zero more than I would like.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/4/2018 10:46:29 AM

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Ugh! 1944 is a tough year for the Empire. If you can make him pay for whatever gains he makes this year, you get to do it all over again in '45. JFBs are a crazy lot!

The air war has been really BAD. I rarely get a shot at his bombers as his sweeps decimate my fighters. I consider a 1:3 kill ratio decent at this stage of the war. Of course it does not help that I am forced to still use the Oscar and Zero more than I would like.

A dozen???

That's like three hour of watching replays alone?

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/4/2018 10:51:54 AM

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Ugh! 1944 is a tough year for the Empire. If you can make him pay for whatever gains he makes this year, you get to do it all over again in '45. JFBs are a crazy lot!

The air war has been really BAD. I rarely get a shot at his bombers as his sweeps decimate my fighters. I consider a 1:3 kill ratio decent at this stage of the war. Of course it does not help that I am forced to still use the Oscar and Zero more than I would like.

A dozen???

That's like three hour of watching replays alone?

I watch all the air/ground combat on fast forward. I like watching the warship fights unless its obviously going to be one sided, but they have been few and far between in this game.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/5/2018 9:34:48 PM

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11th-20th Jan 44

All my units retreating from Burma have now reached Moulmein, 5000 AV sitting behind 6 forts. He has 40 units the other side of the river but as expected it looks like he is going to try a slow flanking manouver. I send my 3 tank divs to Rahaeng to kick out the 3 para divs he had there, which they manage with ease. That should stop any back door attempt to march on Bangkok. The 15th is a good day in the air as his sweepers are grounded but his bombers fly to Moulmein and are savaged by the CAP, 40 B24s and 20 B25s go down. The same day I launch a rare bombing raid in China that torches another 20 B24s on the ground at Chungking. So 60 0B24s in one day, what is that? One or two months production? Of course this stirs up the hornets nest and he sweeps me to oblivion over Moulmein the next few days at the usual 1:4 kill ratio....

The only other area with action is SOPAC where he tries to send a FT TF to Dobo in eastern Timor but my recon gets wind of it, it is met by a few of my old CLs and DDs during the night and Nettys during the day, sinking 3 large APs and a few APD/DMS.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 3:42:04 PM

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21st-31st Jan 44

Well, this has certainly been an interesting period. Burma takes a back seat for a change as he lessons his air assault, for obvious reasons to be revealed shortly. I did manage to knock down 60 a/c including 20 B24s for the loss of 50 of my own in one raid, a rare victory.

In SOPAC he drops a Para unit on the dot base Biak on the northern end of Dutch New Guinea. As most of my fleet is at Babeldaob I counter by sending in a unit of my own by FT TF. He spots this and sends some cruiser forces to intercept it, unaware that Mr T is waiting for them with his battleships:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Manokwari at 86,109, Range 12,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
BB Hiei, Shell hits 2
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 1
CL Kitakami
CL Oi, Shell hits 1
DD Shimakaze, Shell hits 1
DD Akizuki
DD Yugumo
DD Hayashio
DD Maikaze
DD Shiranui
DD Shiratsuyu

Allied Ships
CL Helena
CL Nashville, Shell hits 1
CL Honolulu, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
DD Jenkins
DD LaVallette
DD Mugford
DD Henley, Shell hits 1
DD Gridley
DD McCall
DD Mahan
DD Shaw
DD Alden
DD Stuart, Shell hits 1
DD Van Ghent

The above TF manages to slip away but fortunately for me the one hit on Honolulu is a magazine exploder and down she goes. However the next TF they meet does not get off so lightly:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Biak at 87,110, Range 12,000 Yards

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 4 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna, Shell hits 1
BB Hiei, Shell hits 1
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 4, on fire
CL Kitakami, Shell hits 4, on fire
CL Oi, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
DD Shimakaze
DD Akizuki
DD Yugumo
DD Hayashio, Shell hits 1
DD Maikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Shiranui
DD Shiratsuyu

Allied Ships
CA Astoria, Shell hits 2, on fire
CA Minneapolis, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CA San Francisco, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
CA Quincy, Shell hits 3
DD Ammen
DD Anthony, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Aulick
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Bache
DD Boyd

Two CA's confirmed sunk and all my ships survive although the two torpedo CLs are in need of shipyard time. However this success was soured somewhat as I had also sent half the KB to be in position to intercept his ships as they retreated, but the weather prevented any flights at all

All in all a nice little victory but it could have been so much better.

Any feelings of Joy however were soon forgotten as a huge armada is spotted about 30 hexes from mainland Japan the next turn

To be continued....

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 4:31:52 PM

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Any feelings of Joy however were soon forgotten as a huge armada is spotted about 30 hexes from mainland Japan the next turn To be continued....

I seem to recall that early on Pax and I speculated about this kind of strategy...30 hexes is good warning for you to really move assets around. Nicely done. With that much warning it is either the kitchen sink, which I suspect, or will be cancelled.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 5:51:30 PM

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Probably the biggest turn of the war so far. As I said the armada was spotted on the 27th or 28th Jan about 30 hexes distant. I immediately try and get the kitchen sink back to the mainland in terms of airgroups, the KB was south of Babeldaob and therefore way out of position to intervene in any way. Over the next few days his fleets move about 7 or 8 hexes closer per turn, ending up on the 31st one hex south of Kushiro on Hokkaido, so I'm thinking it has to be an invasion there. All the while his CVs do not fly any a/c apart from a few small sweeps seemingly of random bases.

By this time I had managed to scrape up about 1300 a/c, all based at Tokyo and Yokohama ready to strike. About 500 fighters (mostly training units with crap pilots), my entire Netty fleet of 300, 300 land based DBs and 200 land based TBs. I had them limited to range 7 so if he had remained where he was the next day they would not have flown. However, I could not believe the next day he moved all his CVs within 6 hexes of Tokyo and there was no invasion landing on Hokkaido, looks like it was just a raid! Most of my planes flew, although some unescorted so my losses were terrible but I got some serious blows in in return....

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 6:06:10 PM

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So in the morning phase it seems just about everything I have flys against his CVs. About 8 raids in total, a large well escorted one to start with that does little damage but of course his CAP of 220 Hellcats are starting to be worn down:

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 45 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 114
A6M5 Zero x 105
D4Y1 Judy x 93
G3M3 Nell x 25
G4M1 Betty x 4
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 37

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 217

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 17 destroyed
A6M5 Zero: 17 destroyed
D4Y1 Judy: 41 destroyed, 4 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 5 destroyed by flak
G3M3 Nell: 13 destroyed, 3 damaged
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVL Langley
CVL Cabot
CV Enterprise
CV Essex, Bomb hits 1
CV Coral Sea
CV Yorktown
CV Intrepid
CVL Independence, Torpedo hits 1

Here are most of the rest, I've left out the unescorted ones that get butchered:

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 14
D4Y1 Judy x 96
G4M1 Betty x 58

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 133

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 9 destroyed
D4Y1 Judy: 39 destroyed, 11 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 11 destroyed by flak
G4M1 Betty: 10 destroyed, 21 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Enterprise
DD Wadsworth
CVL Langley, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
CA Vincennes
CVL Cabot
CA Portland
CV Yorktown
CV Hornet, Torpedo hits 1
CA Baltimore
CV Intrepid, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CVL Monterey
CV Essex
CVL Princeton
CV Coral Sea, Kamikaze hits 1

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 30
A6M5 Zero x 62
A6M5c Zero x 68
G3M3 Nell x 6
G4M1 Betty x 75

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 95

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 3 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 4 destroyed
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak
G4M1 Betty: 24 destroyed, 13 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVL Monterey, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CV Hornet
CV Essex, Torpedo hits 1
CV Intrepid, on fire
CV Coral Sea
CV Enterprise, Torpedo hits 1
CVL Independence
CV Yorktown

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 31
B5N2 Kate x 30
G4M1 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 38

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 17 destroyed, 2 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 3 destroyed by flak
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CV Essex, Torpedo hits 1
CV Hornet, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Nothing flies in the afternoon due to the weather. So the final bill is about 600 planes and 450 pilots. In turn I sink the CVL Langley and get hits on 4 or 5 fleet CVs, Hornet looks to be in trouble, the others are probably still combat ready. He losses 150 Hellcats, half to a/a and the rest for lack of anywhere for them to land. His CVs launch a few small strikes against fleeing transport fleets but nothing else, no idea why he moved so close to Tokyo unless he was expecting a totally one sided massacre?

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 6:17:58 PM

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That's a pretty decent attack for that period!

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 6:23:49 PM

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Looks like 2 torpedos in the Essex and Hornet. Those ships are going to have problems

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 6:26:28 PM

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It's a just a raid and a miscalculation on his part. Undetected is one thing, but if that's all he brought and he was detected 30 hexes out, he should have cancelled the op and headed back home. You had ample warning to both scatter your forces and prepare for him. Very good exchange for you!

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 6:44:52 PM

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The butchers bill:

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 6:45:37 PM

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 6:50:33 PM

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This is where his CVs ended up. Tom said for some reason they had not moved their full distance for the last few turns, but considering they were where the green x is the turn before they moved at least 8 or 9 hexes during the turn...

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 7:45:33 PM

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2nd Feb 44

When I said my CVs were out of position to do anything against this raid, I lied. They were just out of view on the screenshot above, about 18 hexes south of his fleets and totally undetected. I decide to go all in considering he had lost a decent chunk of fighters the turn before and had perhaps one or two cripples. So I am sitting with my heart in my mouth watching the replay and I see the search SBD destroyed by CAP, B6N Jill destroyed by CAP messages start to appear, so obviously a battle was about to take place. However, the SBD and TBF destroyed by CAP messages went on and on and on and on......I realize to he must have set most of his strike a/c to search and/or ASW to try and kill the forest of subs around him, a fatal mistake.

So anyway, my alpha strike goes in and its a absolute monster:

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 84
A6M5b Zero x 16
A6M5c Zero x 297
A6M8 Zero x 32
B6N2 Jill x 254
B6N2a Jill x 24
D4Y1 Judy x 226
D4Y3 Judy x 138

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 257

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 2 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 42 destroyed, 21 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 3 destroyed by flak
B6N2a Jill: 5 destroyed
D4Y1 Judy: 20 destroyed, 14 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y3 Judy: 6 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 12 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVL Cabot, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
CA Portland
CVL Independence
CVL Monterey
CVL Cowpens, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Intrepid, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CV Essex, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Brownson, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CV Coral Sea, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
DD Caperton, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CA Boston, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
CA Wichita, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
DD Cogswell, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Baltimore, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Bush, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Vincennes, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Chauncey, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Braine, Bomb hits 1
DD Black
DD Burns, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Bullard, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Indianapolis
DD Conner, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Brown
DD Bell
DD Claxton
DD Charles Badger, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Colahan
DD Clarence Bronson

This was the only strike in the morning, I get another huge strike off in the afternoon:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ominato at 124,65

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 82
A6M5b Zero x 16
A6M5c Zero x 235
A6M8 Zero x 16
B6N2 Jill x 149
B6N2a Jill x 13
D4Y1 Judy x 138
D4Y3 Judy x 126

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 73

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 21 destroyed, 14 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
B6N2a Jill: 1 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 24 destroyed, 11 damaged
D4Y3 Judy: 18 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVL Princeton, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
CV Hornet, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
CV Yorktown, heavy fires
CVL Monterey, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Independence, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
DD Dashiell
CA Portland, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Cowell, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Indianapolis, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Dyson, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CV Enterprise, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CLAA San Diego, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CLAA Reno
DD Stevens
DD Fletcher, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Guest, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Foote, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Daly, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Fullam, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Cotten, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Dortch
DD Sigsbee
CLAA Oakland, Torpedo hits 1
DD Franks, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Followed by one final strike against targets that reacted away from the main group:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sendai at 123,67

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 62
A6M8 Zero x 16
B6N2 Jill x 59
D4Y1 Judy x 63

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 87

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 5 destroyed
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
B6N2 Jill: 24 destroyed, 20 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 4 destroyed by flak
D4Y1 Judy: 19 destroyed, 2 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 3 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Kircholm, Torpedo hits 2
CV Bunker Hill, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Biloxi
DD Murray
CVL Belleau Wood, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Izard
DD McCord

He launches no strikes at all. What can I say, I've played 1000s of turns but never had one this one sided

Looks like he will lose 7 or 8 CVs, 3 CVLs and several CAs. Loss screenshots to follow.....

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 7:48:25 PM

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Air losses. Note, all his DB and TB losses are search/asw planes, he did not fly any strikes at all.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 7:49:07 PM

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 7:49:50 PM

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Ship losses:

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 8:15:43 PM

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Masterclass for the Japanese and a huge mistake by the Allies. Congratulations on your victory. Parallels to Midway but with the sides switched around. He sends his carriers where they have no search and reconnaissance capabilities beyond the carriers themselves while you can saturate the area and setup a masterful one-two punch ambush.

In a way, this is Mr Kane's "Midway Moment," but probably not as he envisioned.

I cannot understand what he was thinking by sticking around when his carriers were spotted. It will be interesting to see how the Allies recover going forward.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 8:32:10 PM

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Holy smokes?

I was anticipating at least a 600 fighter CAP.

Super well done.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 9:29:36 PM

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I've rarely seen such a well coordinated strike. Yes, an absolute monster. Lots of cripples......anything left for a 2nd day or are you going to retire with no damage to your ships? Really unprecedented at this stage of the war. This is the fantasy of every Japanese player

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/6/2018 10:00:04 PM

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Yikes, its Armageddon!

Poor Mr. Kane. Poor guy. He'll feel about as low as a plyer can possibly feel.

This should buy you a lot of time. He won't be able to steam into heavily defended enemy waters for a long time to come.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 1:37:13 AM

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Just goes to prove even in 1944 if the Allied player makes a mistake he can be forced to pay a very heavy price. This isn't over yet he still has to try and save the damaged vessels. You just gave every Japanese player struggling in 1943 hope for 1944.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 4:47:00 AM

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 10:13:17 AM

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Wow! Nicely done!!

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 10:46:37 AM

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Caught with pants down

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 11:57:40 AM

RangerJoe

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Very nicely done, excellent timing.

Even if you don't go after him on a second day with your carriers, your subs and LBA could take out a lot of the crippled ships. A lot of his carrier decks probably can't fly aircraft, so I would go after him and chastise his fleet some more.

Any SCTFs available to help polish off the cripples?

Now might be a good time for kamakazes if they are available.

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RE: Miller (J) vs Mr Kane (A) - 8/7/2018 6:39:08 PM

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3rd-7th Feb 44

Well through crafty manouvering and my need to refuel slowing me down it looks like Kane has got the majority of his damaged ships out of danger. I do manage to finish off 5 or 6 badly damaged DDs, some of them giving a bit of target practice for Yamato and Musashi. His less damaged carriers are now just north of Kiska and I'm 18 hexes away from them, so its time to break off for home and hopefully one of my posse of subs nearby will get a shot at them. Now I have given myself a bit of breathing space I may as well upgrade some of my ships that are overdue at home and give the crews some well deserved R&R.

Just looking over the replay and report of the big day I've revised down his losses slightly. Definitely sunk are the CVs Coral Sea, Essex, Hornet and Intrepid, 2 CVLs, 2 CAs and about 10 DDs. Probably sunk (90% certain) are the CVs Bunker Hill and Enterprise, 4 CVLs, 2 CAs plus a handful of DDs. A mighty victory indeed.

I have to ask several questions to myself here:

1) What was the purpose/goal of this raid? He didn't even launch any strat bombing attacks for the two days he was in range before the battle.

2) Where was the rest of his fleet? I can understand none of his CVEs being there due to their slow speed, but no sign of Lex or Saratoga (upgrading perhaps?) and his fast BBs. I think he has 6 in play now and they could have soaked up a lot of bomb hits without damage, saving a few of his CVs in the process....

3) Why did he have 100% of his strike planes on search/asw?, my sub threat has been high all game but surely 10% would have been enough to keep their heads down. And where were his subs? As soon as I got the first sighting of his fleet I sent the entire KB after it. It was based at Babeldaob, so it had a 5/6 day transit period and during that time my search did not pick up a single sub en route, a sub sighting/being sighted could have given him warning of what was to come.....

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