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F-111B - 4/8/2018 2:04:52 PM

anlgzl

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Hi,

Will you add F111B to the database in the future ?

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RE: F-111B - 4/8/2018 2:14:44 PM

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Your best to put your request here: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3436106

Also an explanation on why you want it would help get it onto the priority list.

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RE: F-111B - 4/9/2018 11:43:22 AM

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I saw this in the db request...and it would be nice, but just to remember also that the B variant was designed as an interceptor- eventually losing out to the F-14...so it would not really be quite the same as having a "carrier based Aardvark" strike aircraft to command, the navy at that time would have only used it for air-to-air.

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RE: F-111B - 4/10/2018 11:57:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rmunie0613
I saw this in the db request...and it would be nice, but just to remember also that the B variant was designed as an interceptor- eventually losing out to the F-14...so it would not really be quite the same as having a "carrier based Aardvark" strike aircraft to command, the navy at that time would have only used it for air-to-air.

I certainly am not critiquing your desire for the bird in the database, but if memory serves, the F-111b was too heavy for a carrier deck... I am not sure HOW that was so... but it was too heavy. I do not thing CMANO worries about that, and certainly it would be a fun add on to hypothetic database. :D

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RE: F-111B - 4/11/2018 9:39:59 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tjhkkr

quote:

ORIGINAL: rmunie0613
I saw this in the db request...and it would be nice, but just to remember also that the B variant was designed as an interceptor- eventually losing out to the F-14...so it would not really be quite the same as having a "carrier based Aardvark" strike aircraft to command, the navy at that time would have only used it for air-to-air.

I certainly am not critiquing your desire for the bird in the database, but if memory serves, the F-111b was too heavy for a carrier deck... I am not sure HOW that was so... but it was too heavy. I do not thing CMANO worries about that, and certainly it would be a fun add on to hypothetic database. :D

Thank you.

However-
1- Not my request- I was replying to the request...
2. The F-111B was designed as a carrier fighter, but yes, was very heavy...still lost out in the bidding to the smaller (and still heavy, really) F-14 Tomcat.

The reason for my own reply was this post, as well as the comment on the db request post, (where I did not want to comment myself) that it would be fun to
command a carrier-based aardvark...was just pointing out that the Naval version (B) was not meant as a strike aircraft.

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RE: F-111B - 4/11/2018 6:41:11 PM

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Hi! Was about ask for F-111B also.

F-14 Advanced Super Tomcat with AWG-9 sensor works as a stand-in for pre-production models of F-111B with ~8000lb less fuel than Aardvark (25k lb vs 33k lb of fuel).

Basic B-mod might not give much more capability so I lost interest. Giving F-111F carrier capability gets 1000nm striker/interceptor platform for experimenting.

Ill add a bit more abt Seavark if forum software allows...

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RE: F-111B - 4/11/2018 6:43:12 PM

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Empty weight of the pre-prod B-models was ~46k lb and optimistically heaviest carrier aircraft in service have had MTOW of about ~75k lb at most (F-14 or Skywarrior?). So 29k is left for fuel and payload unless one wants to hypothesize even more weight reductions (some were proposed). In theory it seems C-13 catapults in bigger carriers might be able to throw +80k lb aircraft into the wind with enough velocity forgetting all practical details that might apply.

-The original Hughes AMCS weapon system in B didn't make it into service and lost 600lb of weight maturing into AWG-9 in early 70s and probably lost some volume as well. AMCS is said to have taken the space for fuel tanks behind the cockpit.
-Afterburning thrust of TF30-P-100 engine in F-111F was 25,100lb up from ~20,000lb of TF30-P-12's in B-mod.
-Requirement for escape capsule was dropped for F-14.

Links to sources when allowed...

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RE: F-111B - 4/11/2018 6:59:46 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: anlgzl

Hi,

Will you add F111B to the database in the future ?

In build at the moment for the CWDB

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RE: F-111B - 4/11/2018 7:10:31 PM

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In Arlington Texas a decade or so ago, there was a guy who ran a flight simulator who had an F-111 simulator from the Air Force... Side-by-side seating... it was big time cool. I do not know if they are still in business or not. He had an F-111, F-8, A-4, and eventually a faux-F-16 simulator. The F-16 was not real, and the worse of the birds, but even that was pretty cool.

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RE: F-111B - 4/12/2018 9:20:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: .Sirius

quote:

ORIGINAL: anlgzl

Hi,

Will you add F111B to the database in the future ?

In build at the moment for the CWDB

Thank you very much.

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RE: F-111B - 4/12/2018 10:51:07 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: anlgzl

quote:

ORIGINAL: .Sirius

quote:

ORIGINAL: anlgzl

Hi,

Will you add F111B to the database in the future ?

In build at the moment for the CWDB

Thank you very much.

Also building the RAF version F-111K or UK name Merlin GR.1

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