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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/6/2018 8:40:37 PM   
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 6:24:04 AM   
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 6:24:40 AM   
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Feverish activity from the rail and bridge engineers but precious little else is possible other than the agonisingly slow inch north. Supply is bad so Larry's run for the hills tactic has bought him a lot of time to prepare as the Allies catch up to speed.

The rail line is doing better on the west than the east due to increased engineering resources but I am only getting a maximum of 20 Km a turn repaired.I am now having to consider looking at only repairing the line on one coast...not ideal.....to speed up supply improvements ready to co-ordinate with the second front in France...

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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 11:11:01 AM   
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I only recently checked to find the US 3rd Divn is withdrawing soon along with the British 5th which is a bit of a nuisance. As a last hurrah the 3rd's Tank Destroyer battalion with considerable air support storms Bologna forcing out the HQ of OB West. Other Divisions are advancing slowly to take up the slack.

The Gustav fighters suffered badly again in trying to protect Bologna and we now seem to be at a stage where the appearance of German planes in the air leads to a massacre (how well I remember it !)

More rail and bridge repairs take place and progress is speeding up in the west on the supply front.



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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 12:50:27 PM   
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 12:56:16 PM   
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 12:57:10 PM   
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 12:59:16 PM   
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Do the planes suffer less if you put them on Sea Interdiction?

Hey there Hank dude, good to hear from you. The problem with the planes is that the Allies have aerial superiority and anything that flies that's German get's slaughtered and so nothing German can fly without consequences and repercussions. I'm saving them for the end of the game period.

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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 1:04:16 PM   
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 2:32:25 PM   
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To cheer Larry up further I decide to keep hitting what is left of the Luftwaffe with airfield strikes and decimate the fighters and JU88's. I really need to do this to keep my troopships safe should (as if) the Allies decide to open up the route from France in a month or so after Op. Anvil.

Little other action except the slow trudge of Divisions north and the hammering of engineers repairs to bridges and rails.


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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 4:37:53 PM   
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The 1st British Armoured have almost reached the front as have the Italian Republican Division, New Zealand Mechanized and the 1st Canadian whilst three fresh US Divisions are also on their way. The main force for France is ready to board ships as soon as the go-ahead is given.

In addition liaison is underway with Italian partisans that have begun operating behind German lines.

The effective destruction of the Luftwaffe means the Allied air force can change its tactics now it is fully rested.

Intelligence reports large numbers of German troops making their way away from Torino and the border with France towards the Brenner Pass. The defences there are likely to be extremely formidable....

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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 4:39:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Back in T100 or so Ian dropped some paratroopers somewhere in my backfield and I couldn't pinpoint it to save my life and now, this turn, I've discovered an area that has enemy hexes in it and it used to be clear so I think I've found the paratroopers and it looks like they are trying to find a way across the river. I might ought to dispaptch somebody to neutralize him before he causes some mayhem somewhere.




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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 7:40:53 PM   
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The paratroops dropped north of Modena and moved around a couple of turns before Larry spotted them so were able to rip up a few rails. Allied troops moving from Modena and Bologna area now try to relieve them before Larry's clear up forces (largely engineers and spare anti tank units) can finish the paras off.

For the first time in the game having knocked most of the Luftwaffe out I decided I would put every single bomber squadron plus a few fighter bombers on interdiction missions and the playback showed a riot of interceptions as Larry continued to relocate troops to the north. I doubt they did much damage to land troops but there were two Axis furballs of Luftwaffe assets and Larry sent me a message indicating he had only 2 planes left airworthy. If so I am happy

The Forward elements of the Canadian 1st Corps and Indian 4th Division are now at the top of the Italian peninsular where the coast road swings around west towards the south of France. If these units can help in taking a port like Genova so much the better.......



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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 7:48:31 PM   
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The paratroops dropped north of Modena and moved around a couple of turns before Larry spotted them so were able to rip up a few rails. Allied troops moving from Modena and Bologna area now try to relieve them before Larry's clear up forces (largely engineers and spare anti tank units) can finish the paras off.

For the first time in the game having knocked most of the Luftwaffe out I decided I would put every single bomber squadron plus a few fighter bombers on interdiction missions and the playback showed a riot of interceptions as Larry continued to relocate troops to the north. I doubt they did much damage to land troops but there were two Axis furballs of Luftwaffe assets and Larry sent me a message indicating he had only 2 planes left airworthy. If so I am happy

The Forward elements of the Canadian 1st Corps and Indian 4th Division are now at the top of the Italian peninsular where the coast road swings around west towards the south of France. If these units can help in taking a port like Genova so much the better.......

Hey Ian: Good synopsis. Um...that message about 2 planes...I meant to say that I had 2 aircraft units left, each of which has approx. 17 planes. One is a bomber and the other is an Italian fighter. I've got them on rest now. The bomber needs to refit anyway. And if the bomber isn't flying there's no pressing need to fly the fighter so it's on rest too.

If you're really up to the corner where Italy joins France then I need to pull some people back pretty quickly before they get cut off. They are just over there to blow the bridges leading to Toulon when the exclusion zone is lifted. I have no idea when that will happen. Seems like it happened earlier in our previous game when I was the Allies. And I don't remember what trigger it was that released it. Maybe some hex on one of the smaller islands, Corsica or Sardinia or someplace.

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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 8:17:28 PM   
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Sorry I meant I was at the top of the boot of Italy before it swings north west towards France. I am certainly not at the French Italian border sadly :-)

As for th opening up of Toulon I am a bit confused as the briefing only mentions it being timed to coincide with Operation Anvil (15th August 1944) yet looking back on our AAR before you were operating in southern France in early July 1944 ..admitedly that was an earlier version so maybe the timings have been corrected.

Thats a shame about the Luftwaffe strength....I could cope with 2 planes

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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/7/2018 9:34:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's an element of the 10th Inf Div who are making their way to the rear, to the chow hall because they were just released from their mission which was to do a patrol of the no-man's-land between the front lines which are about 500 yards apart straight-line. So far they have just been staring at each other through the binoculars but the Germans have been hearing noises of tanks or trucks or both. Something is going on and it's going to become a real drama here pretty soon.




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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 6:36:40 AM   
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The Paratroops are surrounded and destroyed by tanks from the 26th Panzer Division north of Modena itself who then confront the Cremon Combat Division at the tow. Fortunately Polish 2nd Corps is almost with them to support. Unclear if this is a determined push back by German forces.

There was a lot of german movement again this turn though I have turned interdiction up another notch and hopefully will be causing problems as lots of strikes were recorded.

The Canadian Armoured and US 91st are now only about 80Km from Genova and I think it is likely a major battle may develop there soon. If I can catch it between troops coming from Toulon and those from Italy it could work out well.

There were heavy targetted strikes on large concentrations of troops spotted partially entrained just south of Brenner Pass and these caused satisfactory damage.

An isolated artillery battery covering the coast road towards Genova was destroyed by Polish troops on their way north.




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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 6:45:54 AM   
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 10:11:43 AM   
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The Allies get to within 40KM of Genova and come across an infantry line and bombardments from sea and air begin causing about 35% cumulative casualties on the front line. It is likely there will be artillery and other support that still needs clearing. The US 91st Division has almost arrived at the front now and should assist in clearing this nuisance.


The 26th Panzer elements and KG Hudel are now facing off against the Cremona Combat Group of Republican Italians at Modena and the reinforcements from the Polish II Corps and Canadian troops should be able to relieve this advance guard this turn.

Unfortuantely I lose another couple of Divisions next turn and so grabbing a port like Genova would be very handy to get the reinforcement Divisions up to the sharp end of things quickly.


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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 11:57:07 AM   
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 1:16:12 PM   
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 1:24:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I pressed the spacebar to make all the units invisible so you can see the terrain underneath them and you can see that there's no anchor in Genova's hex so it's not actually a port per se, mearly a city hex.




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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 2:42:25 PM   
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Thanks hingram and Larry. I make rocks look intelligent

No idea why I got it into my head Genova was a port. It has 5VP's....maybe that is what confused me...

Anyway....war is a confusing business so we press on.

In the light of the above information there is a slight tweak in the advance....The route to France becomes less important and instead of having to batter through numerous dug in regiments along a thin pass I now look at trying to head due north.

Already lead elements are getting closer to Verona and Trieste is at least on the radar.

The 26th Panzer elements and KG Hudel pulled back from Modena last turn to avoid development but did suffer some disengagement losses and another attempt is made by the Canadians and Republican Italian Division to encircle the group as they retreat.

British troops have gone North from Pisa and are now swinging around West to see if there are opportunities for a "grand pocket" of Axis troops in the south west....why not be ambitious...it may not be practical but it may divert some of the Genova defenders away....



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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 5:06:21 PM   
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Still no access to Toulon so I have to do it the hard way I suspect.

The German KG Hudel and26th Panzer elements again attempts to disengage North of Modena but this time fails and is surrounded.

East of Genova the infantry defence line is bombarded again but I anticipate artillery support behind (though frustratingly I cannot see it) so an assault is discounted until the US armour arrives.

The forward spearheads of the Allies are now only 80Km from Verona which is to an extent the gateway to the Brenner Pass.....

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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 5:11:35 PM   
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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 7:21:04 PM   
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The Polish attacks on KG Hudel and the 26th Panzer elements trapped go in and make more progress, reducing the pocket to 15km.

Polish recon troops hit the bridges at the River Po at Ostiglia and Borgo Forte south of Verona and find them occupied by dug in Engineers but 1st british Armoured further west manages to cross the |Po at Piacenza and is now less than 100Km from Milan.

The artillery and naval bombardment of the defence line near Genova continues but it is in many ways a sideshow compared to what is happening to the north. US 91st Division and Canadian Corps troops are busy trying to seal off any retreat by Germans down by Genova back towards Brenner Pass.

For what it is worth to try and get at least a draw I agree with Larry above that the Germans need to defend a bit further south. The fortified Gustav and Gothic Lines are north of any landing beaches and can delay the Allies purely by the terrain they are in. As it is I think Larry will defend the Pass itself in incredible depth and it is highly doubtful the Allies will make it there but as in our earlier game...to get a marginal win they dont need to.




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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 7:28:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just threw this together just now and I'm rather proud of myself. This is my primary MLR, the forward defense; I'm going to build another one a little further north, and then another one after that.




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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 7:37:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's what it looks like now. I've got three aircraft units and they are on rest and I've got four AA units in the airfield hex with the planes but it's not seeming to save the planes. Ian's losses must be fairly high. I've enscounced in the mountain passes and I've got plenty of arty and several divisions or the finest troops Germany possess and they have been resting for most of the game so they ready for the worst the Allies can dish out.




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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/8/2018 8:24:23 PM   
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KG Hudel and the 26th Panzer pocket is no more. All 40 Tiger I's were destroyed in the pocket by 1st Canadian and 2nd Polish Division north of Modena and the advance north can continue.

US Rangers and 8th Indian Division start clearing an Italian security unit out of the mountains south of the front lines. There is a lull in the shelling near Genova and 1st British armoured arrives at the front.

Incidently losses in the airfield attacks were pretty low. There were only 7 planes actually destroyed (mostly low level fighter bombers) but the Germans lost 30 planes destroyed including all 24 JU88's. The Flak is not particularly effective against high level bombing in particular I find but I may just have been very lucky !



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RE: Yet Another Sicily t BP Ian Allies me Axis - 6/9/2018 7:01:26 AM   
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As word reaches Allied Commanders that the invasion fleet may have sailed in Operation Anvil attacks begin on the Genova lines and some progress is made though it it stopped as a full FJ Regiment arrives to reinforce the retreating infantry.

The railhead has pretty much reached this area now and engineers now start to head north.
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Defending engineering units are surrounded and readied for destruction on the River Po bridges and the US 91st and 88th Divisions arrive near the front.

The British 1st Armoured starts pushing towards Milan.



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